Troops polled, results no real surprise

unsung

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support-mccain/

3 to 1 in favor of McCain.

Oh wait it is Fox News it can't be true.

Strangest Tribe

unsung wrote:

Oh wait it is Fox News it can't be true.

yeah probably not such a good source.
Military Times Newspaper troops poll I'm sure that's an unbiased group :rolleyes:





Donations by Overseas Troops Favor Obama (So Far)

According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain’s haul…

…A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 — just 323 donations — should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall….

…”One possibly mundane explanation (for the tilt in contributions from deployed soldiers) is that the Obama campaign has just been so much savvier with web-based donors. It may be a logistical question,” Belkin pointed out…


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-14-military-donations_N.htm

fuck

unsung wrote:

Oh wait it is Fox News it can't be true.

God, you're like a textbook; it's unbelievable how easy you can be read. You use the same lame line every time you post a fox news article... here's a suggestion... don't use it as a fucking news source in general.

as for your pathetic attempt to try to sway people into thinking that McCain will be better for the guys fighting for our freedom: You do know that the majority of the soldiers in Iraq oppose the war? You do know that they don't want to go into Iran? You do know that logically they wouldn't support a McCain administration as it will not be much different than a Bush admin, except for the fact that Palin is actually an incompetent idiot.

Honestly, the fact that people can be so fooled into thinking McCain will bring "change" is not only laughable, it's scary. Obama's change, while it's not drastic, I admit, is certainly much more noticeable than McCain's plans. The reason why Obama and Biden keep mentioning the fact that McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time is because that's honestly all you need to say to show that McCain should not even be considered to be president. And yet, people who oppose Bush still think to support McCain. Something like this is certainly one of the many drawbacks of our country.

jimed14

don't worry, I'm sure ACORN will find a way to supress their votes ... :rolleyes:

It's not that Fox isn't true, they just twist the facts ... you know ... like what you just did ...

The Military Times offered certain caveats for its poll, which was open only to its 80,000 subscribers. Responses were entirely voluntary and were not focused on a representative sample of the public, as scientific polls are. The troops polled were also somewhat older than average enlisted servicemembers and included more officers than is representative of the military as a whole.

Opt in polls can be far from accurate.

I wonder what the endoresment of Colin Powell may do to these numbers.

unsung

_outlaw wrote:

God, you're like a textbook; it's unbelievable how easy you can be read. You use the same lame line every time you post a fox news article... here's a suggestion... don't use it as a fucking news source in general.

as for your pathetic attempt to try to sway people into thinking that McCain will be better for the guys fighting for our freedom: You do know that the majority of the soldiers in Iraq oppose the war? You do know that they don't want to go into Iran? You do know that logically they wouldn't support a McCain administration as it will not be much different than a Bush admin, except for the fact that Palin is actually an incompetent idiot.

Honestly, the fact that people can be so fooled into thinking McCain will bring "change" is not only laughable, it's scary. Obama's change, while it's not drastic, I admit, is certainly much more noticeable than McCain's plans. The reason why Obama and Biden keep mentioning the fact that McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time is because that's honestly all you need to say to show that McCain should not even be considered to be president. And yet, people who oppose Bush still think to support McCain. Something like this is certainly one of the many drawbacks of our country.

Apparently I'm not easy enough to read, at least not for your feeble little mind. Look at my signature and then tell me where it exactly states that I'm voting for McCain. That's the funny thing with you crazy wacky liberals, you get your panties in a bunch so easily.

And the Fox News thing is called sarcasm, I'd send you a link as to the definition but I don't have all day to explain it to you.

polaris

my favourite was that clip they did in some diner where the reporter asked who everyone was voting for ... it was almost everyone obama and like 1 person mccain and he said it was split ... hahahahaaa

fuck

unsung wrote:

Apparently I'm not easy enough to read, at least not for your feeble little mind. Look at my signature and then tell me where it exactly states that I'm voting for McCain. That's the funny thing with you crazy wacky liberals, you get your panties in a bunch so easily.

Apparently you don't even know how to read. Look at my post again and then tell me where I said you were voting for McCain.

And I'm not a "liberal."

And the Fox News thing is called sarcasm, I'd send you a link as to the definition but I don't have all day to explain it to you.

I was trying to tell you why it's a poor attempt at sarcasm, but seeing as how you missed the whole point of my post, it doesn't surprise me to see that you weren't able to get that part either.

unsung

Keep backpedaling

blackredyellow

jimed14 wrote:

The Military Times offered certain caveats for its poll, which was open only to its 80,000 subscribers. Responses were entirely voluntary and were not focused on a representative sample of the public, as scientific polls are. The troops polled were also somewhat older than average enlisted servicemembers and included more officers than is representative of the military as a whole.

So it's about as accurate as a web poll?

Great... that was worth starting a thread about.

In a related note, according to a Moving Train/fugawzi poll, Obama leads by a 4-1 margin.
(source: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=306342)

jimed14

polaris wrote:

my favourite was that clip they did in some diner where the reporter asked who everyone was voting for ... it was almost everyone obama and like 1 person mccain and he said it was split ... hahahahaaa

that would be the pollster Frank Luntz ... he's amazing ... an amazing douche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFL-LubDF9c&feature=related

g under p

unsung wrote:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support-mccain/

3 to 1 in favor of McCain.

Oh wait it is Fox News it can't be true.

Yes not much of a surprise or factor because they're a small segment of the voting population.

peace

sweet adeline

jimed14 wrote:

that would be the pollster Frank Luntz ... he's amazing ... an amazing douche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFL-LubDF9c&feature=related

great clip, thanks for posting that.

Gonzo1977

Oh Yeah Right.
I'm sure they're gonna vote for the guy that wants to keep em' in Iraq for 100 years.

Fox News has no self respect. They might as well be writing Science Fiction at this point. Don't trust a word those pigs say. It's all BS

fugawzi

unsung wrote:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/21/poll-troops-support-mccain/

3 to 1 in favor of McCain.

Oh wait it is Fox News it can't be true.

I actually thought it would be accurate until I saw "Fox News"

Dirtie_Frank

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Oh Yeah Right.
I'm sure they're gonna vote for the guy that wants to keep em' in Iraq for 100 years.

Fox News has no self respect. They might as well be writing Science Fiction at this point. Don't trust a word those pigs say. It's all BS

Actually they would normally Republicans give more to the military. For instance when Clinton was president the pay raises were few and new equipment was very hard to come by.

Vedderlution_Baby

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Actually they would normally Republicans give more to the military. For instance when Clinton was president the pay raises were few and new equipment was very hard to come by.

I'm not arguing, but why were the troops that were deployed to afghanistan and iraq lacking sufficient equipment?

Dirtie_Frank

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I'm not arguing, but why were the troops that were deployed to afghanistan and iraq lacking sufficient equipment?

Didn't Some people vote against it. I am not saying we were prepared to go but some funding took a long time.

digster

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Didn't Some people vote against it. I am not saying we were prepared to go but some funding took a long time.

The funding on the Congressional side never lacked, or I should say, Congress never refused as far as I know to pass funding requests for the Iraq war...Congress would have been way too scared shitless to look like they were not funding the troops. It was mismanagement, plain and simple.

Vedderlution_Baby

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Didn't Some people vote against it. I am not saying we were prepared to go but some funding took a long time.

3-4 years later? Seems that if the politicians who "support" the troops so much wouldn't send them into a war without proper funding to ensure that they get the equipment they need to make sure they don't get killed. Why couldn't the republicans fast track the funding for basic equipment?

Dirtie_Frank

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

3-4 years later? Seems that if the politicians who "support" the troops so much wouldn't send them into a war without proper funding to ensure that they get the equipment they need to make sure they don't get killed. Why couldn't the republicans fast track the funding for basic equipment?

To tell you the truth I don't know. When I was not training to go to Iraq I was out partying enjoying my early twenties. All I know is I rolled from Kuwait to Tikrit in a sof t skinned vehicle. Oh wait we did have sandbags on the floor in case a IED went off it would make us really dirty.

Vedderlution_Baby

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

To tell you the truth I don't know. When I was not training to go to Iraq I was out partying enjoying my early twenties. All I know is I rolled from Kuwait to Tikrit in a sof t skinned vehicle. Oh wait we did have sandbags on the floor in case a IED went off it would make us really dirty.

Yea, I was reading an article that was talking about humvess not being able to protect against even small arms fire and they even mentioned that shitty idea of the sandbags being suggested. Pretty fucking disgusting and treasonous.

OffHeGoes29

Don't be fooled, most military members don't vote at all. Out of my shop of about 20, I think me and two other guys voted in 04.

Anon

unsung wrote:

Apparently I'm not easy enough to read, at least not for your feeble little mind. Look at my signature and then tell me where it exactly states that I'm voting for McCain. That's the funny thing with you crazy wacky liberals, you get your panties in a bunch so easily.

And the Fox News thing is called sarcasm, I'd send you a link as to the definition but I don't have all day to explain it to you.

Personally i think you are easy to read. Whilst you say you are not for McCain, you absolutely despise obama and that is enough to motivate you to 'appear' to be more in favour of mccain because you spend your time trying very hard to discredit obama to try and make maccain look better.

It's not that hard to see.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Some basic logic applied. War is hell. Vote for hell?

What did I miss?

gabers

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Don't be fooled, most military members don't vote at all. Out of my shop of about 20, I think me and two other guys voted in 04.

Right. And I'm very suspicious of that margin. I would bet more actually vote for Obama.

OffHeGoes29

gabers wrote:

Right. And I'm very suspicious of that margin. I would bet more actually vote for Obama.

Some that do vote are hard line Rep. but I wouldn't say thats not the case this time around. The basic guy in his early 20s in the military only cares about booze, chicks, and his car/bike (not all, but MOST) which you can't enjoy much of deployed. I think they will vote for anyone that will keep them state side longer. But the biggest factor is that most guys really don't care or will take the time to go to the polls. A reason for this is the fact that they have to vote absentee ballot for what ever state is the place of residence. I sent out my ballet from AZ to CT back in 04, and that was more work then most guys care to do.

fugawzi

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Actually they would normally Republicans give more to the military. For instance when Clinton was president the pay raises were few and new equipment was very hard to come by.

Yea because our soldiers have had such GREAT care under the Republican leadership the last 8 years. Some soldiers having to buy their own armor, in many cases soldiers underequipped, the Walter Reed scandal, the lack of MRAP vehicles, high levels of soldier suicide. How do they give more to the military again?

unsung

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Personally i think you are easy to read. Whilst you say you are not for McCain, you absolutely despise obama and that is enough to motivate you to 'appear' to be more in favour of mccain because you spend your time trying very hard to discredit obama to try and make maccain look better.

It's not that hard to see.

Ha. I wasn't trying to hide that. I'm very open about my disgust for him and I never have been trying to cover that up. His policies are a joke. His wife is a fake. His friends are scum.

fugawzi

unsung wrote:

Ha. I wasn't trying to hide that. I'm very open about my disgust for him and I never have been trying to cover that up. His policies are a joke. His wife is a fake. His friends are scum.

You know nothing about his wife, his friends and probably his policies for that matter. You know the McCain talking points that's about it.

unsung

fugawzi wrote:

You know nothing about his wife, his friends and probably his policies for that matter. You know the McCain talking points that's about it.

Ok, I'm in Illinois and in Chicago. You are right I know nothing about politics, you caught me. :rolleyes:

Anon

unsung wrote:

Ha. I wasn't trying to hide that. I'm very open about my disgust for him and I never have been trying to cover that up. His policies are a joke. His wife is a fake. His friends are scum.

I never said you were trying to hide it. That's my whole point.