Obama adopts illegal alien war cry.

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he still stands wrote:

sorry if I'm questioning your honesty... but this story has many holes. Could it possibly be that you just misunderstood the situation?

again... don't mean to question your truthfulness. my apologies.

There's no need to apologize; he's taking a tragic event and trying to use it to justify his own bias.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

Maybe you don't follow the news but over the last few years our streets have been invaded by illegal aliens protesting our laws that they chose to break. Since the laws were not in their favor they demanded that we change the laws to suit the thousands that marched and the millions that are here illegally. Yes the vast majority were from Mexico, but there were illegal aliens from many countries out there.

So when they were out there demanding that we change our laws while they marched carrying Mexican flags their battle cry was "Si, se puede", which means "yes, we can" in English. So since Obama chose to adopt this common war cry I believe he is catering to a group of people who has a huge part of their population here in this country breaking our laws. They chose to break the laws. They chose to come here risking being deported. They chose to not follow the proper channels for work and possibly citizenship. They deserve nothing other than an arrest on their record and a trip back to where they came from, and while we are at it we should send that bill to whatever government they have nationality with.

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This one cracks me up.
You do understand that they realize they are here illegally... right? Guess what? They fly below the radar and do not want to draw the attention of I.C.E. Going on the local news is not what someone who is hiding from the law wants to do. It is not as easy or cheap for them to make the crossing as you make it out to be. if they get busted... they lose their illegal job as the employer hires the next illegal in line.
The people you see protesting are people who are here... LEGALLY... and protesting the wages they are receiving from U.S. business owners who give them sub-standard (illegal) wages because of their (employers) ILLEGAL practice of hiring Illegal Aliens to cut operating costs.
So... YES... the Laws need to be changed... or enforced if they already exist.
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You might want to try picking up a newspaper and reading the stories regarding this thing instead of getting all of your information from Lou Dobbs rants.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

If you would like I can forward my colleague's contact information and you can tell him that yourself. Ass.

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It is a matter of Public Record.
Provide the Police Report of the accident. This is readily available because of the amount of damage and the fatal results. If the driver was an illegal alien, he would have been placed under arrest, not just cited and released.
You should be able to provide some sort of News Documentation regarding the accident... a local newspaper, etc... especially if the accident was caused by an illegal alien and a woman was killed.
And provide the dead woman's name. Death's are also on the public record. We'd be able to verify your claims through the public record.
Also, the court Docket Number is public record.
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Otherwise, your story makes it sound like there are more problems with Americans... than illegal Mexicans. americans hiring illegal mexicans to low ball bids and put Americans out of work... idiot American policemen you write a ticket in a fatal traffic accident... moronic American Justice system...
And you wonder why people question your stories.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

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The people you see protesting are people who are here... LEGALLY... and protesting the wages they are receiving from U.S. business owners who give them sub-standard (illegal) wages because of their (employers)

Now that is funny. Prove it.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

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It is a matter of Public Record.
Provide the Police Report of the accident. This is readily available because of the amount of damage and the fatal results. If the driver was an illegal alien, he would have been placed under arrest, not just cited and released.
You should be able to provide some sort of News Documentation regarding the accident... a local newspaper, etc... especially if the accident was caused by an illegal alien and a woman was killed.
And provide the dead woman's name. Death's are also on the public record. We'd be able to verify your claims through the public record.
Also, the court Docket Number is public record.
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Uh yeah, I'll be able to find a police report number. I'll just go ask my colleague because someone on an internet website doesn't believe his daughter was killed by an illegal.

Bottome line is I don't give a shit if you believe me or not, there is a grave that shows the truth though. Or do I need to go and get a picture of that?

Some of you people are pathetic and will do anything to defend illegal aliens under the guise that they are here to make a better life for their families. I say more power to them but they need to obey the laws. Last time I checked we don't get to choose whhat laws we decide to obey or not. Can I just go rob a bank because the money will help out my family? A law is a law is a law.

unsung

he still stands wrote:

sorry if I'm questioning your honesty... but this story has many holes. Could it possibly be that you just misunderstood the situation?

again... don't mean to question your truthfulness. my apologies.

What I know is the guy was an illegal, from Guatemala IIRC, he was drunk, killed her, and now he is missing.

I didn't ask anything else, I doubt he is up for a Sunday conversation on the subject.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

Uh yeah, I'll be able to find a police report number. I'll just go ask my colleague because someone on an internet website doesn't believe his daughter was killed by an illegal.

Bottome line is I don't give a shit if you believe me or not, there is a grave that shows the truth though. Or do I need to go and get a picture of that?

Some of you people are pathetic and will do anything to defend illegal aliens under the guise that they are here to make a better life for their families. I say more power to them but they need to obey the laws. Last time I checked we don't get to choose whhat laws we decide to obey or not. Can I just go rob a bank because the money will help out my family? A law is a law is a law.

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You twist every thing back to the Illegal Aliens, don't you? It would have been okay if the woman was killed by a drunk driver with no license and no insurance who was a U.S. citizen?
You already know you colleagues's name, don't you? Just give us his daughter's name and a ball park date and location of the accident and we can check it out ourselves.
And yeah... some of us don't believe everything we read on the internet... especially on this board. Matter's of Public Record provide solid evidence. Provide us with the basics... and if I find documented evidence that supports your story... I promise, I will post it here.
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As for this:
"Bottome line is I don't give a shit if you believe me or not, there is a grave that shows the truth though. Or do I need to go and get a picture of that?"
Direct me to the local obituary will suffice. Thanx.

unsung

This guy should get a medal.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374121,00.html

he still stands

unsung wrote:

This guy should get a medal.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374121,00.html

Arpaio is a CLOWN. He knows what he has to do to get reelected... make headlines... like serving green bologna, making inmates wear pink, racial profiling of Phoenix areas (stopping all people with dark skin), and preying upon the fear of people like you.

There are an estimated 300,000 illegals in Maricopa County and there are about 50 coming in each week. Meanwhile, Arpaio has arrested 1,300 illegals since 2006 and spent millions of tax dollars to do so... most of these people are just trying to make a living selling tamales, or the like, alongside the road.

All the politicians here in Arizona know that this all a publicity stunt for Arpaio and the County Attorney to get reelected, because they could never possibly make any headway to get all, or even a significant proportion, of the illegals deported, not to mention they pose little real threat to anyone. These people just want to make a better living for their family, give their kids a real opportunity, and they are being demonized into real criminals. The guy walking down 34th street looking for a job has got to be as dangerous a criminal as a child molester!

It is sad how ignorant people keep being sucked into the fear trap.

unsung

I don't care what they are selling, they are breaking the law and should be arrested for doing so.

Also he isn't preying on any fear that I may have, the truly ignorant ones are the ones who think it is ok that the illegal alien sells tamales on the side of the road. People don't get to choose what laws they should follow or not follow.

chikevin

unsung wrote:

Some of you people are pathetic and will do anything to defend illegal aliens under the guise that they are here to make a better life for their families.

i believe obama is quite flawed, but this is exactly the type of swiftboating that mccain feels is being done to him right now.

you take a specific instance....you have enough people shout about it...and that makes it so.
don't get me wrong...i think the us has an immigration problem that exceeds any other country in the world...but they aren't all bad b/c your boss' kid died. christ...think about how many drunken us citizens kill innocents every day.

i'm not defending everyone here illegally, but you must keep some perspective. if you don't allow yourself to do that, then you limit yourself.

he still stands

unsung wrote:

People don't get to choose what laws they should follow or not follow.

The smart ones do. My life, my choices, my freedom, and my (and my family's) well-being are more important than the law. In fact, the smart ones put the law in the same rubbish pale as Santa and the Easter Bunny. Now I'm not saying there aren't fundamental and timeless rules for humanity to live by, but that is a very short and commonsensical list -- don't kill, don't steal, in general treat others the way you'd like to be treated. These people realize that their own family's well being is phenomenonally more important than some arbitrary law, more important than an imaginary line drawn in the sand, and for that I respect them more than all of the people combined who think we ought to herd all the illegals onto trains and send them back to their country.

Frankly, it is scary to me how many people, even on a (generally liberal) Pearl Jam message board, seem to succumb to the interests of our police state before protecting their own interests.

And yes we should also try to protect our borders, but that is a federal job -- not a job for Maricopa County's sheriff -- according to the constitution.

ledvedderman

unsung wrote:

People don't get to choose what laws they should follow or not follow.

Ever sped in your life? Ever downloaded a song off of Napster? Had a smoke when you were 16? Drank before the age of 21? Puffed on the magic dragon?

While this isn't as grand as illegally coming into a country, if you answer "yes" to any of those questions, you too are guilty of trying to choose what laws you should follow or not follow.

Vedd Hedd

unsung wrote:

Maybe you don't follow the news but over the last few years our streets have been invaded by illegal aliens protesting our laws that they chose to break. Since the laws were not in their favor they demanded that we change the laws to suit the thousands that marched and the millions that are here illegally. Yes the vast majority were from Mexico, but there were illegal aliens from many countries out there.

So when they were out there demanding that we change our laws while they marched carrying Mexican flags their battle cry was "Si, se puede", which means "yes, we can" in English. So since Obama chose to adopt this common war cry I believe he is catering to a group of people who has a huge part of their population here in this country breaking our laws. They chose to break the laws. They chose to come here risking being deported. They chose to not follow the proper channels for work and possibly citizenship. They deserve nothing other than an arrest on their record and a trip back to where they came from, and while we are at it we should send that bill to whatever government they have nationality with.

Most "illegals" were brought here "legally" under work visas. Some of have expired, making them illegal.

I dont think they are going to walk back to mexico from Chicago, and they can make themselves 'legal' again by renewing their work visas.

SweetHarmonics

unsung wrote:

Maybe you don't follow the news but over the last few years our streets have been invaded by illegal aliens protesting our laws that they chose to break.

way to get worked by the MSM

btw, the "news" in the "last few years" haven't exactly been journalism's finest hours so some perspective is needed as far as what amounts to crisis and what is just another scoop for the networks

manipulatedliving

Open wrote:

im a thief, im a liar, there's my church i sing in the choir.

unsung

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Most "illegals" were brought here "legally" under work visas. Some of have expired, making them illegal.

I dont think they are going to walk back to mexico from Chicago, and they can make themselves 'legal' again by renewing their work visas.

Do you have evidence of this? So the thousands who cross our border illegally just didn't have a ride?

unsung

They are only trying to make a good life for their family.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374803,00.html

Open

unsung wrote:

They are only trying to make a good life for their family.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374803,00.html

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I buy my weed from a citizen....im sure you'll be happy to know that.

he still stands

unsung wrote:

They are only trying to make a good life for their family.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374803,00.html

1. You are taking an extremely small sample of the population and making a generalization from it.

2. The story is from Fox News so it can be thrown in the trash heap to begin with.

3. This is a problem stemming from SF's ordinances. The US uses more drugs than any other country in the world and always will... so people (Yes, including illegal immigrants) will always be trying to get the drugs in the country.

4. As long as they aren't dealing narcotics, they are doing a good deed!