Joe Horn cleared of all charges

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    fanch75 wrote:
    From what I understand, he was perfectly within Texas law to shoot these people in the situation they were in.

    Just because it's the law doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And in this case, it's a law that is a choice....in other words he wouldn't have been violating the law to let them go without killing them.
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  • fanch75
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    eyedclaar wrote:
    I'm not sure I would equate Texas law with common sense, especially in this instance. From what I understand, he was so eager to shoot these guys a police disbatcher couldn't talk him out of it. Clearly, if you aren't going to listen to the police when they are telling you not to shoot someone, you aren't going to listen to anyone.

    If someone can get away with shooting people in this instance, I can think of about a million other instances where I could make a case for me shooting someone as well.

    I agree with you that it defies common sense and that this Horn guy has a screw loose. No one deserves to be executed for stealing jewelry; that's insane. He should have told them to "freeze" and then fired warning shots in the air, nothing else (and certainly not 'lernin' 'em a good'un by killing them).

    However it seems that the problem here is the Texas law & the enforcement thereof, regardless of opinion of it (by either the judge or anyone else). The law apparently needs to be revisited.
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  • eyedclaar
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    fanch75 wrote:
    I agree with you that it defies common sense and that this Horn guy has a screw loose. No one deserves to be executed for stealing jewelry; that's insane. He should have told them to "freeze" and then fired warning shots in the air, nothing else (and certainly not 'lernin' 'em a good'un by killing them).

    However it seems that the problem here is the Texas law & the enforcement thereof, regardless of opinion of it (by either the judge or anyone else). The law apparently needs to be revisited.


    Agreed. We don't need laws encouraging trigger happy morons.
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  • callen
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    fanch75 wrote:
    From what I understand, he was perfectly within Texas law to shoot these people in the situation they were in.
    Slavery was once legal.

    This guy is just your typical blood thirsty human. He wanted vengence, he was prejudiced, low self esteem, wimp...etc.

    If you listen to the 9/11 tape its pretty clear.

    Now I do think we need to stiffen prison terms for burglary though...pretty shitty crime.

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  • Cosmo
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    The way I see it... it's only stuff.
    I mean, i have a house full of stuff and wouldn't want to kill someone for stealing my 20 year old television. Sure, I'd be pissed... but, i have insurance... maybe I'd opt for a new flat screen.
    Were the burgulars wrong for stealing the shit? YES. Should they be punished? YES.
    Is it worth taking a person's life for a T.V? In my personal opinion, NO. a T.V. is easily replaced... a life can not.
    ...
    This also applies to my car... if I am ever car-jacked... take the motherfucker (it sucks up too much gasoline, anyway)... just leave me with my sorry ass life.
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  • fanch75
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    I understand all of that. Didn't you see where I said that the law needs to be revisited?
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    i have a hard time feeling sorry for the two idiots who died, and i keep hearing so many conflicting stories on what happened, i'm not sure what to think of the shooter, (though i'm now leaning toward cold blooded murderer).
  • callen
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    fanch75 wrote:
    I understand all of that. Didn't you see where I said that the law needs to be revisited?

    guess my post wasn't directed at you.....more at folks that point to stupid laws as justification
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  • Derrick
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    As for being within texas law, here is the link: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=WOIQIIZEMKJO&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=124592&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=27&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES

    I'm no lawyer, but it looks like you are allowed to use deadly force if you catch someone in the middle of robbery or burglary. Also you are allowed to use deadly force while they are fleeing if you believe the stolen property will not be able to be recovered.

    So according to Texas law, Mr. Horn operated within his rights.
  • callen
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    MrSmith wrote:
    i have a hard time feeling sorry for the two idiots who died, and i keep hearing so many conflicting stories on what happened, i'm not sure what to think of the shooter, (though i'm now leaning toward cold blooded murderer).
    have you listened to the audio?....just use that and forget what you've read or heard
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  • fanch75
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    Derrick wrote:
    As for being within texas law, here is the link: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=WOIQIIZEMKJO&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=124592&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=27&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES

    I'm no lawyer, but it looks like you are allowed to use deadly force if you catch someone in the middle of robbery or burglary. Also you are allowed to use deadly force while they are fleeing if you believe the stolen property will not be able to be recovered.

    So according to Texas law, Mr. Horn operated within his rights.

    By gawd, ole' Horn took 'em out Texas way and lern'd 'em a dern good'uN!
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  • eyedclaar
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    Derrick wrote:
    As for being within texas law, here is the link: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=WOIQIIZEMKJO&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=124592&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=27&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES

    I'm no lawyer, but it looks like you are allowed to use deadly force if you catch someone in the middle of robbery or burglary. Also you are allowed to use deadly force while they are fleeing if you believe the stolen property will not be able to be recovered.

    So according to Texas law, Mr. Horn operated within his rights.


    Awesome! I'm officially moving to Texas to open a candy store. I will place the merchandise right by the front door in hopes that some children will try to grab something and run. Man, I've always wanted to shoot me some kids and now I'll have the law to protect me.
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  • mammasan
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    Let me just ask this if the two men Joe Horn shot had been white males instead of illegal immigrants from South America would the grand jury have voted the same way?
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  • Derrick
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    mammasan wrote:
    Let me just ask this if the two men Joe Horn shot had been white males instead of illegal immigrants from South America would the grand jury have voted the same way?

    Let me just ask this if the two men Joe Horn shot had been white males instead of illegal immigrants from South America, would he have shot them? :-)
  • fanch75
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    mammasan wrote:
    Let me just ask this if the two men Joe Horn shot had been white males instead of illegal immigrants from South America would the grand jury have voted the same way?

    Oh, good lord. Who knows. Why play that card? You can only speculate and that accomplishes nothing.

    But I guess we'll find out because eyedclaar is going to move to Texas and lern some kids a good'un.
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  • eyedclaar
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    fanch75 wrote:
    Oh, good lord. Who knows. Why play that card? You can only speculate and that accomplishes nothing.

    But I guess we'll find out because eyedclaar is going to move to Texas and lern some kids a good'un.


    Yeah, we'll see how far I get as I plan on shooting every color under the sun.
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  • callen
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    mammasan wrote:
    Let me just ask this if the two men Joe Horn shot had been white males instead of illegal immigrants from South America would the grand jury have voted the same way?
    lets sweeten the pot bit more...what if they were two white teenagers from the same neighborhood....oh oh oh..one of them was a girl. (-:
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  • fanch75
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    callen wrote:
    lets sweeten the pot bit more...what if they were two white teenagers from the same neighborhood....oh oh oh..one of them was a girl. (-:

    and was also a lesbian crack addict who wore turbans and liked to scream "Praise Allah!" randomly when breaking in & stealing shit.
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  • Cosmo
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    fanch75 wrote:
    Oh, good lord. Who knows. Why play that card? You can only speculate and that accomplishes nothing.

    But I guess we'll find out because eyedclaar is going to move to Texas and lern some kids a good'un.
    ...
    Because Race DOES matter in America.
    We are just too Politically Correct to admit it when we're not the one getting the shit end of the stick.
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  • eyedclaar
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    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Because Race DOES matter in America.
    We are just too Politically Correct to admit it when we're not the one getting the shit end of the stick.


    Oh, I'll admit it. My white male ass has been oppressed from the day I was born. We all know America is a mauve man's world
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