Oh, good lord. Who knows. Why play that card? You can only speculate and that accomplishes nothing.
But I guess we'll find out because eyedclaar is going to move to Texas and lern some kids a good'un.
Well the card has to be played because their race definitely played a factor. I know it's only speculation but I'm willing to bet my first born that had those two men been white this incident would have never transpired.
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That's a good point. You (generic you) can argue on wether he needed to go out and shoot but he certainly didn't need to kill.
That's the problem with what he says on the tape. He specifically said he was going to kill them. Here in Tennessee, we have basically the same law about using lethal force to protect yourself, but this would be considered murder (at least I hope so). When I attended the class required for a handgun carry permit, the instructor state several times, you shoot "to stop the threat." You don't "shoot to kill" and you don't "shoot to wound." You only shoot to stop the threat.
And for those saying he should have just shot them in the kneecaps or whatever, NEVER try something that stupid. If you have to shoot, you always aim at center mass.
That's the problem with what he says on the tape. He specifically said he was going to kill them. Here in Tennessee, we have basically the same law about using lethal force to protect yourself, but this would be considered murder (at least I hope so). When I attended the class required for a handgun carry permit, the instructor state several times, you shoot "to stop the threat." You don't "shoot to kill" and you don't "shoot to wound." You only shoot to stop the threat.
And for those saying he should have just shot them in the kneecaps or whatever, NEVER try something that stupid. If you have to shoot, you always aim at center mass.
I disagree. With a shotgun, you can easily take a dude's legs... both of them in one shot. Now, if the perp has a gun as well, I'm not aiming for his legs.
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Jeebus! I think there are a bunch of sensitive folks in this pit that don't like me because I talk about being a gun owner. I hope to hell you don't own any guns, Helen, despite otherwise enjoying your personality. I once got into this petty theft cycle as a young guy where I would steal something like a candy bar from a store just to see if I could get away with it. Would you have been just as excited to read about a store owner blowing me away over a candy bar??? I'm sorry, some transgressions just don't rise to the level of shooting someone in the back with a shotgun especially when the police are already on the way. Like I said, if you have to get involved, control the situation until the police arrive and if you have to shoot, take out their legs. Now, if they have guns and are threatening you, I don't care, go Rambo on their asses.
I'm surprised at how blood thirsty some of you are. Maybe you haven't seen what gun shot wounds look like up close.
And I'm the gun nut?!?
I don't have a gun and I'm against gun ownership . There's a difference between stealing a candy bar and actually going into somebodys living area, going through their stuff and taking what you want. Many people would never feel safe or comfortable in the house again even though they weren't there. Lives can be ruined over this shit. It's the sense of entitlement that gets me. You probably stole the candy bar just for some adventure and to see if you could... NOT cos you felt like you were entitled to take it. I too stole probably about 3 items when I was a teenager... something I'm not proud of but it was a kinda rite of passage then, not that it makes it ok... but I wasn't rifling through somebodys stuff... the things I stole would not even amount to feeding yourself for a day.
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What if a 3rd person with a gun (either walking by or a neighbor) saw this guy gun down two people. If he didn't know the two guys were burglars, would he be right for using his own gun to shoot Joe Horn? It seems simple to me that deadly force is not the appropriate reaction for breaking and entering.
Yeh, he probably would be right.
It's probably not the appropriate action... but like I said, I'm just having a tough time giving a fuck. We know fuck all about the area. Sometimes old people can be terrorised. There was a case here a couple of years ago about this elderly farmer who had been absolutely terrorised by some gypsies... he'd been broken into a couple of times and there were some people in the neighbourhood fearing for their lives and their hard worked for stuff. One day he answered the door to one of them...while the father went in the back door. He saw what was happening... grabbed his gun and shot the dad in the back when he was running away. This man had been driven demented and was a basket case by the time it happened. Old people living on their own shouldn't have to put up with this shite. There was a lot of debate in the country at the time but most people were on his side... think he only got a year or two. Neighbours were fundraising so they could run his farm when he was in jail. Reports suggest he was well protected in jail. I just felt so sorry for the poor guy that it should come to that.
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I don't have a gun and I'm against gun ownership . There's a difference between stealing a candy bar and actually going into somebodys living area, going through their stuff and taking what you want. Many people would never feel safe or comfortable in the house again even though they weren't there. Lives can be ruined over this shit.
If I was living next to Joe Horn, personally I would be more worried about him shooting me in the back if I had to move out a TV or some furniture and he saw me rather than about some random people breaking into my house. A guy living on my street looking for someone to shoot, as long as he had the flimsiest excuse, would make me way less comfortable.
noone should be allowed to shoot someone in the back. They allowed this man to be judge jury and executioner.
What if these guys were just friends of the teenage son in that house, and they were sneaking out after partying.. and carrying some of his things to meet in the woods for a camping trip...
those guys were not allowed a defense.. and were given a sentence that no judge is authroized to give even if found guilty.
this guy is a murderer, and the texas laws gave him the opportunity to kill.
If I lived next door to him, I'd move. Even if it was my house that got robbed.
Just like we can use the tape to determine this guy wanted to shoot someone... isnt it fair to use the tape to throw out these silly "sons friends" type of arguments?
Just as it is clear he was SURE he wanted to shoot them, he was also SURE these were thieves.
Also, not listening to a 9/11 operator is a little different than not listening to a cop. Irrelevant to the situation, but that distinction needs to be made
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Well the card has to be played because their race definitely played a factor. I know it's only speculation but I'm willing to bet my first born that had those two men been white this incident would have never transpired.
That's the problem with what he says on the tape. He specifically said he was going to kill them. Here in Tennessee, we have basically the same law about using lethal force to protect yourself, but this would be considered murder (at least I hope so). When I attended the class required for a handgun carry permit, the instructor state several times, you shoot "to stop the threat." You don't "shoot to kill" and you don't "shoot to wound." You only shoot to stop the threat.
And for those saying he should have just shot them in the kneecaps or whatever, NEVER try something that stupid. If you have to shoot, you always aim at center mass.
I disagree. With a shotgun, you can easily take a dude's legs... both of them in one shot. Now, if the perp has a gun as well, I'm not aiming for his legs.
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It's probably not the appropriate action... but like I said, I'm just having a tough time giving a fuck. We know fuck all about the area. Sometimes old people can be terrorised. There was a case here a couple of years ago about this elderly farmer who had been absolutely terrorised by some gypsies... he'd been broken into a couple of times and there were some people in the neighbourhood fearing for their lives and their hard worked for stuff. One day he answered the door to one of them...while the father went in the back door. He saw what was happening... grabbed his gun and shot the dad in the back when he was running away. This man had been driven demented and was a basket case by the time it happened. Old people living on their own shouldn't have to put up with this shite. There was a lot of debate in the country at the time but most people were on his side... think he only got a year or two. Neighbours were fundraising so they could run his farm when he was in jail. Reports suggest he was well protected in jail. I just felt so sorry for the poor guy that it should come to that.
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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If I was living next to Joe Horn, personally I would be more worried about him shooting me in the back if I had to move out a TV or some furniture and he saw me rather than about some random people breaking into my house. A guy living on my street looking for someone to shoot, as long as he had the flimsiest excuse, would make me way less comfortable.
What if these guys were just friends of the teenage son in that house, and they were sneaking out after partying.. and carrying some of his things to meet in the woods for a camping trip...
those guys were not allowed a defense.. and were given a sentence that no judge is authroized to give even if found guilty.
this guy is a murderer, and the texas laws gave him the opportunity to kill.
If I lived next door to him, I'd move. Even if it was my house that got robbed.
Just don't get any of your friends to help you move, otherwise they are going to get shot loading stuff into the truck.
Just as it is clear he was SURE he wanted to shoot them, he was also SURE these were thieves.
Also, not listening to a 9/11 operator is a little different than not listening to a cop. Irrelevant to the situation, but that distinction needs to be made