Secessionists meeting in Tennessee

mammasan

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1

soulsinging

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

mammasan

soulsinging wrote:

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

I wouldn't mind seeing the union desolved. Maybe a loose confederacy of states and/or regions would be better.

even flow?

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

810wmb

if PJ would play the south again, this wouldn't be happening

soulsinging

even flow? wrote:

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

and texas can finally become it's own loony ass state.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Can i have my own state? if so i will secede with my southern and vermontian (?) brothers. .

tybird

soulsinging wrote:

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

You keep your crappy ass rust belt to yourself....there's a reason we don't like people like you down here.

tybird

even flow? wrote:

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

Only California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas were ever part of the Mexican empire.......the rest of us in the South were swapped, stolen, bartered and sold between France, Spain and England over the decades.

Texas was actually independent of both the U.S. and Mexico for a brief period.

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing the union desolved. Maybe a loose confederacy of states and/or regions would be better.

i suggest reading The Federalist Papers to get more than a few good reasons why that would probably be catastrophic.

The truth is, if America just returned to it's true constitutional republican government with very limited federal power, we'd probably be doing just swell.

For starters, a sound REAL money policy would be nice.
Yeah it would suck for BIG business, but America is about INDIVIDUALS right? not corporations! Right? ... ahem ... RIGHT?


DOES THIS SOUND RELEVANT TODAY:

"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson

If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing...it is to themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight to ten per cent on it. As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and silver medium, which...before we had without interest, which never could have perished in our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war; instead of which they have given us two hundred millions of froth and bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest... - Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution" -- Benjamin Franklin

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i suggest reading The Federalist Papers to get more than a few good reasons why that would probably be catastrophic.

The truth is, if America just returned to it's true constitutional republican government with very limited federal power, we'd probably be doing just swell.

For starters, a sound REAL money policy would be nice.
Yeah it would suck for BIG business, but America is about INDIVIDUALS right? not corporations! Right? ... ahem ... RIGHT?


DOES THIS SOUND RELEVANT TODAY:

"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson

If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing...it is to themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight to ten per cent on it. As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and silver medium, which...before we had without interest, which never could have perished in our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war; instead of which they have given us two hundred millions of froth and bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest... - Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution" -- Benjamin Franklin

It is scary how far we have strayed.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

yep.

soulsinging

tybird wrote:

You keep your crappy ass rust belt to yourself....there's a reason we don't like people like you down here.

the rust belt will secede too. they're closer to your kind than either coast. so you can take all our rednecks, thank you very much.

TheVoiceInside

and to think that half of the people on this island(Puerto Rico) want to join the union.

rearviewmiror

Please let the South go! Better for all involved. (Especially since they can stop stealing all of our tax money)

sledgepammer

rearviewmiror wrote:

Please let the South go! Better for all involved. (Especially since they can stop stealing all of our tax money)

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

Cosmo

This is going to fuck up the layout of the stars on our flag, isn't it?
Damn.

soulsinging

sledgepammer wrote:

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

what is the situation? they grabbed their ankles for dubya for 2 straight elections.

810wmb

soulsinging wrote:

what is the situation? they grabbed their ankles for dubya for 2 straight elections.

it was the best we've ever had too!

soulsinging

810wmb wrote:

it was the best we've ever had too!

you mean the best time you've ever had grabbing your ankles? i don't doubt that contention or your expertise in making it. but for the rest of the country who lives in the real world, a failing education system, borders that leak like a sieve, a war with no end in sight, the worst terrorist attack on american soil ever, skyrocketing deficits, a bloated budget, and a sluggish economy don't add up to the best we've ever had. it's been kinda crappy really.

Open

sledgepammer wrote:

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

Totally agree, it's easy to be open minded in a state that's open minded. Try being open minded in a state full of close minded people.