Secessionists meeting in Tennessee

mammasan

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1

soulsinging

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

mammasan

soulsinging wrote:

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

I wouldn't mind seeing the union desolved. Maybe a loose confederacy of states and/or regions would be better.

even flow?

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

810wmb

if PJ would play the south again, this wouldn't be happening

soulsinging

even flow? wrote:

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

and texas can finally become it's own loony ass state.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Can i have my own state? if so i will secede with my southern and vermontian (?) brothers. .

tybird

soulsinging wrote:

please god, let's let them go this time. let the south build the american iran it has always wanted.

You keep your crappy ass rust belt to yourself....there's a reason we don't like people like you down here.

tybird

even flow? wrote:

We can give VT a whacky name and call it a new province and the boys down south can become part of Mexico again.

Only California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas were ever part of the Mexican empire.......the rest of us in the South were swapped, stolen, bartered and sold between France, Spain and England over the decades.

Texas was actually independent of both the U.S. and Mexico for a brief period.

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing the union desolved. Maybe a loose confederacy of states and/or regions would be better.

i suggest reading The Federalist Papers to get more than a few good reasons why that would probably be catastrophic.

The truth is, if America just returned to it's true constitutional republican government with very limited federal power, we'd probably be doing just swell.

For starters, a sound REAL money policy would be nice.
Yeah it would suck for BIG business, but America is about INDIVIDUALS right? not corporations! Right? ... ahem ... RIGHT?


DOES THIS SOUND RELEVANT TODAY:

"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson

If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing...it is to themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight to ten per cent on it. As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and silver medium, which...before we had without interest, which never could have perished in our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war; instead of which they have given us two hundred millions of froth and bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest... - Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution" -- Benjamin Franklin

mammasan

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i suggest reading The Federalist Papers to get more than a few good reasons why that would probably be catastrophic.

The truth is, if America just returned to it's true constitutional republican government with very limited federal power, we'd probably be doing just swell.

For starters, a sound REAL money policy would be nice.
Yeah it would suck for BIG business, but America is about INDIVIDUALS right? not corporations! Right? ... ahem ... RIGHT?


DOES THIS SOUND RELEVANT TODAY:

"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson

If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing...it is to themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight to ten per cent on it. As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and silver medium, which...before we had without interest, which never could have perished in our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war; instead of which they have given us two hundred millions of froth and bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest... - Thomas Jefferson


"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution" -- Benjamin Franklin

It is scary how far we have strayed.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

yep.

soulsinging

tybird wrote:

You keep your crappy ass rust belt to yourself....there's a reason we don't like people like you down here.

the rust belt will secede too. they're closer to your kind than either coast. so you can take all our rednecks, thank you very much.

TheVoiceInside

and to think that half of the people on this island(Puerto Rico) want to join the union.

rearviewmiror

Please let the South go! Better for all involved. (Especially since they can stop stealing all of our tax money)

sledgepammer

rearviewmiror wrote:

Please let the South go! Better for all involved. (Especially since they can stop stealing all of our tax money)

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

Cosmo

This is going to fuck up the layout of the stars on our flag, isn't it?
Damn.

soulsinging

sledgepammer wrote:

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

what is the situation? they grabbed their ankles for dubya for 2 straight elections.

810wmb

soulsinging wrote:

what is the situation? they grabbed their ankles for dubya for 2 straight elections.

it was the best we've ever had too!

soulsinging

810wmb wrote:

it was the best we've ever had too!

you mean the best time you've ever had grabbing your ankles? i don't doubt that contention or your expertise in making it. but for the rest of the country who lives in the real world, a failing education system, borders that leak like a sieve, a war with no end in sight, the worst terrorist attack on american soil ever, skyrocketing deficits, a bloated budget, and a sluggish economy don't add up to the best we've ever had. it's been kinda crappy really.

Open

sledgepammer wrote:

It's not as if all the south shares the same political views. A lot of people in more "liberal" areas gave up on the south years ago, and rather than try to educate themselves on the actual political climate of the southern states, they spend their time making witty jokes about it.

Totally agree, it's easy to be open minded in a state that's open minded. Try being open minded in a state full of close minded people.

soulsinging

Open wrote:

Totally agree, it's easy to be open minded in a state that's open minded. Try being open minded in a state full of close minded people.

so why don't we let the south secede, all the close-minded rednecks can build their WASP paradise, and all you wonderful southerners we keep hearing about can move to a part of the country that's livable?

sledgepammer

soulsinging wrote:

so why don't we let the south secede, all the close-minded rednecks can build their WASP paradise, and all you wonderful southerners we keep hearing about can move to a part of the country that's livable?

Do you truly believe that all of the narrow-minded people in America reside in the south and ONLY the south? Have you ever been to California, which is always labeled as a "liberal" state? I once lived in San Francisco, and while many of the major metropolitan areas are very left-leaning, there are a vast amount of conservative farmers and conservative suburbanites that also make up that state. THAT is the political climate of the whole United States and that is what is supposed to define us as a country.

The way you group people together is every bit as dangerous and narrow-minded as those "close-minded rednecks" that you love to hate.

It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from, people with unfair prejudices can be anywhere and you're a prime example of that.

810wmb

soulsinging wrote:

you mean the best time you've ever had grabbing your ankles? i don't doubt that contention or your expertise in making it. but for the rest of the country who lives in the real world, a failing education system, borders that leak like a sieve, a war with no end in sight, the worst terrorist attack on american soil ever, skyrocketing deficits, a bloated budget, and a sluggish economy don't add up to the best we've ever had. it's been kinda crappy really.

hahahahaha...dude, you take yr meds today or what?

810wmb

sledgepammer wrote:

Do you truly believe that all of the narrow-minded people in America reside in the south and ONLY the south? Have you ever been to California, which is always labeled as a "liberal" state? I once lived in San Francisco, and while many of the major metropolitan areas are very left-leaning, there are a vast amount of conservative farmers and conservative suburbanites that also make up that state. THAT is the political climate of the whole United States and that is what is supposed to define us as a country.

The way you group people together is every bit as dangerous and narrow-minded as those "close-minded rednecks" that you love to hate.

It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from, people with unfair prejudices can be anywhere and you're a prime example of that.

amen brother...he's been showing his true colors towards me, fo sho

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

if the south could get conservative alaska to join too, we'd have all the oil in the US!

soulsinging

sledgepammer wrote:

Do you truly believe that all of the narrow-minded people in America reside in the south and ONLY the south? Have you ever been to California, which is always labeled as a "liberal" state? I once lived in San Francisco, and while many of the major metropolitan areas are very left-leaning, there are a vast amount of conservative farmers and conservative suburbanites that also make up that state. THAT is the political climate of the whole United States and that is what is supposed to define us as a country.

The way you group people together is every bit as dangerous and narrow-minded as those "close-minded rednecks" that you love to hate.

It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from, people with unfair prejudices can be anywhere and you're a prime example of that.

they'd move. they could set up their own country where homos are jailed, genesis replaces evolution, only christians can vote, and whatever other religious nonsense they feel would keep their society peachy keen. then the rest of us could stop expending effort on that nonsense and work on things like fixing our school system and building our economy. they could also take over fighting god's war in iraq, so we can all get tax cuts up here. it sounds wonderful to me.

Marbles

There have been organizations working on secession for years, one in particular: http://freestateproject.org/ It just makes sense. The war of northern aggression was NOT about slavery, it was about not allowing the south to leave the union. There had already been talk of abolition, which didn't matter much in the industrial north, but in the agricultural south, it was a huge issue. It was the north, that when counting slave men counted them as fractional human beings for census purposes...

soulsinging

Marbles wrote:

It was the north, that when counting slave men counted them as fractional human beings for census purposes...

good point. the south, which only wanted to count them for census purposes to gain more seats in congress and had no intention of ever letting any of those slaves near a voting booth, was obviously the morally superior one on that issue.

i'm all for letting them secede. i wish we had. but c'est la vie.

"the war of northern aggression" eh? thanks for reminding me why i got the fuck out of ohio.

Marbles

soulsinging wrote:

"the war of northern aggression" eh? thanks for reminding me why i got the fuck out of ohio.

That is NOT a phrase in use in this area, just by people who think that the south got railroaded!

soulsinging

Marbles wrote:

That is NOT a phrase in use in this area, just by people who think that the south got railroaded!

fair enough. there are places in ohio i really don't like to go though, becos they do think that way anyway, i am not joking or exaggerating when i say i am all for secession. the country is divided to the point of no return now. i don't think there's any way it can be healed.