Had Bush only listened to him…
mammasan
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…we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/17/news/policy.php
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/17/news/policy.php
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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But remember my friend, at the end of the day, it was him who sold the war to the American people.
I realize that, but to this day I still believe that Powell was against this invasion from the beginning. He was just following orders. Bush, Cheney, Rove realized that Powell was the only person in that administration that the public would trust. I respected Powell a lot before that day, but definetly lost a lot of respect for him after that day. Had the president listened to Powell there would have been no speech at the UN.
it was him that sold it to the american people based on the reports that he received from people that may or may not have been dealing with tainted information...intentionally or unknowingly so...don't leave things out.
from my window to yours
Most of the planet knew it was false info, are you telling me that a man in powells position did'nt know that it was fake? wrong? incorrect or whatever else.
Most of the planet could see that going to war was not the right thing to do, it's just an excuse that some people use for powell saying that he was just acting on info given to him.
You know i'm not a fan of the "just following orders" line, but I do understand your point, I think powell lost respect for himself after that. But I can't be sure about that, haha!
But i'm sure one day another powell will step up and sell the same types of lines to the public and they'll just eat it up just as quickly, it's very cyclical yea know.
What's all this "most of the planet" stuff?
How about our US congress?
In 2004 the US congress votes 96-0 and 410-12 to continue funding the war in Iraq. I don't expect much from them.
and check this out, I love reading old news like this.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
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'..authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.'
Question: What WMD's? He didn't have any. How could they give them up if they didn't exist?
I'm sure if Condi Rice went on tv right now and stated that Iran has ICBMs (even though all reports show that they don't) aimed at the US and that we must invade, 43% of this country would believe it.
they did exist. he used them during the iran/iraq war and against his own people in the north.
some say they are in syria. some say saddam destroyed them, some say he hide them in the desert.. fact is, american didnt find them.
http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
Fact is. You're talking bollocks. There were no WMD's and the British and American governments knew it.
If you read the 'project for a new American century' report for the year 2000 you'll see that it states as much. They knew Iraq had no WMD's but they decided to bring about regime change anyway. They therefore broke international law once the weapons inspections failed to turn anything up that they could use as an excuse to invade.
Do you honestly think that webpage you've provided a link to can be trusted? 'Lebanese association' - Syria - A state of terror'. You must have really dug deep to find that rubbish. If there was any even vaguely reliable news that Syria had weapons that previously belonged to Iraq, then it would be all over the mainstream news.
I know I know PNAC is a bigger terror group then el queda. saddam did has WMDs. he used them. he kicked out weapons inspectors and violated several UN resolutions.
if you cant trust a lebanese association who can ya trust ya know?
If you believe that Saddam could have smuggled his loads, as the president put it, of WMDs into Syria without us knowing about it then I got a bridge to sell you. The amounts of WMDs that this administration was certain that he has was non-existant. Yes he did have a nuclear weapons program and chemical and biological weapons all before the first Persian Gulf War. After the first Gulf War my 4 year old was a greater risk to national security than Saddam was. My newborn's dirty diaper was more of a biological weapon than anything Saddam had left in his arsenal.
The weapons inspectors weren't kicked out of Iraq in 2003. They were kicked out in 1998 though after it was discovered that the C.I.A were at that time using the weapons inspections as a cover with which to spy on the Iraqi authorities, thereby breaking the terms of the inspections. Iraqa WMD's had been destroyed or dismantled years earlier.
The only thing Powell could present to the U.N as 'evidence' of Iraq's threat to the western world was a picture of a lorry. It was then claimed that this lorry could be used to transport WMD's. What a joke!
I sat and watched the U.N security council meeting when the French foreign minister at the time Dominic De Villepin recieved a standing ovation for his speech about the need to respect international law and the U.N. Colin Powell and Jack Straw then tried desperately to convince the world that Iraq was a threat with their lame photographs of lorrys e.t.c. They failed to convince anyone. And yet it was plain to everyone by their desperation to plead their case that the decision to invade had already been made. Colin Powell should be tried for lying to the American public and to the world, just as Blair, Bush and Rumsfeld should be tried. He is just as guilty as the rest of these pigs.
I just don't understand why people believe this... These random unsupported beliefs are what allow Bush type politics to continue.
There were many people that knew Bush was twisting the truth to make the monumental decision to invade and occupy a country.
these stories allow them to duck responsibility and for us to just move along in the wrong direction.
and that was one kickass speech at the UN he showed those arab-huggin hippies who the boss is.... AMERICA!
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
Classic!
speech' you are referring to Powell's presentation of 'the case for war in Iraq' which was badly recieved and chock-full of extremely shoddy information, fair enough, please elaborate. And the thing about arab-huggin hippies? Who are you talking about? Kofi Annan? Hans Blix? Coz they sure as shit don't look like arab-huggin' hippies to me...
i coud reply but i aint givin u the satisfaction.
why dont u go and read some real news u dumb fuck.NEWS FLAH.librell talk's shit.an quit usin all the big word's like a teacher or somethan.nobody give a shit!
dick
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
Wow that was some in depth post. You have me at a loss for words.
dinos words of a dying breed.
surfs down...forever
Why don't you try showing some respect. It's bad enough your posts come across as if Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokle wrote them there is definetly no reason to turn to name calling. I can understand that you have no ability to counter discuss the post with facts but that is no reason to use profanity.
i believe, as i've said before, that powell was kept out of the loop and was only there to do the things he did because the administration knew that the majority of america trusted powell. in his position, what does he do if he is given overwhelming information relating to WMD in iraq-especially, when you consider iraq's past and the hussein regime? why do you think he left? do you think he just wanted out? no, he had to get out because he knew what was happening and what would continue to happen. this is just what i believe.
from my window to yours
he did what he had to do, and, then, he showed what kind of a man he was by getting away from it. what do you think woud happen here if all of the stuff people believe bush to have done was proved to be true tomorrow? pandemonium!
from my window to yours
Quality!
I wont deny the whole WMD bullshit will go down in history as one big fuck up. I think it was the word of the year at some point. I do believe saddam had WMDs but I do not think he was a threat to america.
or if the world was proven to be flat.