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Study: Psychodelic mushrooms may relieve symptoms of OCD

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Mmmhmm, LSD works too.

    Anything that will induce a hallucination like that. People tend to have "spiritual" experiences with hallucinigens. That's why they work.

    But I think it's kind of like inducing lying to one's self.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Mmmhmm, LSD works too.

    Anything that will induce a hallucination like that. People tend to have "spiritual" experiences with hallucinigens. That's why they work.

    But I think it's kind of like inducing lying to one's self.

    I've had some great experiences backwhen i used to do Shrooms. Man I used to love them.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Myself, I've taken mushrooms a number of times, I've never hallucinated. I've never felt unusual, just allowed to me drink more beer. Which makes me wonder why I didn't just take methamphetamine.

    Others claim to have spiritual experiences.

    As with LSD, the studies showed that people experience mostly what they expect to experience. I've never hallucinated and can't imagine ever hallucinating, so I guess that's why the drugs don't work on me.

    1/4 of people that take LSD have a "bad trip"
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Here's a bad trip story my dad had:

    He says it was afterwork and his workmate asked him over for a beer. So he went over to the guys place, while my mother was at home. The guy called up a couple of girls that came over and they all took a hit or two of acid. Eventually my dad's coworker and one of the girls went off to have sex. Meanwhile the other girl was coming onto my dad. He was all fucked out of his tree and though it was really tempting, he decided to just go home to his wife.

    So, he left the party and started walking home. On his way home he was visited by Satan. Satan was trying to convince him to go back to the party and have sex with the girl. But he refused.

    At some point his talked to God, God was a bird, so I think that may have been before he left the party, or after he got home. The bird was talking to him and telling him it was God.

    Pretty screwed up stuff, my dad was always a religious person, so I guess that's why he had that experience. The drug was playing on his beliefs and his desires.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Mmmhmm, LSD works too.

    Anything that will induce a hallucination like that. People tend to have "spiritual" experiences with hallucinigens. That's why they work.

    But I think it's kind of like inducing lying to one's self.

    It clears your perception which is why so many see it as hallucinating. I've never seen anything out of the ordinary other than tracers or slight shifts but it did make things seem a lot clearer mentally. Things that seemed kind of fuzzy or hard to grasp made much more sense. I think it mostly depends on how you go into it and what you're trying to get out of it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It clears your perception which is why so many see it as hallucinating. I've never seen anything out of the ordinary other than tracers or slight shifts but it did make things seem a lot clearer mentally. Things that seemed kind of fuzzy or hard to grasp made much more sense. I think it mostly depends on how you go into it and what you're trying to get out of it.

    Exactly! It's what you expect it to do, because it's hallucinating.

    Check out Timothy Leary's How to Operate your Brain
    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7315741545239440953&q=brain

    I watched this one night sober. It doesn't make any sense to me.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It clears your perception which is why so many see it as hallucinating. I've never seen anything out of the ordinary other than tracers or slight shifts but it did make things seem a lot clearer mentally. Things that seemed kind of fuzzy or hard to grasp made much more sense. I think it mostly depends on how you go into it and what you're trying to get out of it.


    Yeah, I never saw flying pink elephants or anything like that. Mainly, like you said, traces and slight shift of lighting. It definetly clears your perception. Usually when me and my friends did it we where outdoors. My friend's parents had a home with 3 acres of land, all wooded area. We would just sit back and take everything in.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Exactly! It's what you expect it to do, because it's hallucinating.

    Check out Timothy Leary's How to Operate your Brain
    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7315741545239440953&q=brain

    I watched this one night sober. It doesn't make any sense to me.

    Well, I can't finish watching it at this moment but I will finish it later on tonight and get back with you. I watched the first three minutes and what he is saying is that tripping overloads your brain and this state of confusion leaves room to perceive new ideas and thoughts that were otherwise hindered by the perception of your already programmed brain. It's very hard to see outside of what we already think we know, tripping allows new data to flow through.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Yeah, I never saw flying pink elephants or anything like that. Mainly, like you said, traces and slight shift of lighting. It definetly clears your perception. Usually when me and my friends did it we where outdoors. My friend's parents had a home with 3 acres of land, all wooded area. We would just sit back and take everything in.

    Yes! I love to take in music and feel it vibrating through you. You hear so many more layers in music than you couldn't before. Radiohead sent cold chills down my back. And I kept being drawn to going outside, too. The smell of the air, the chill going through my nostrils was amazing!!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    So, you all think it's a good thing? Tripping?

    I know what you are describing, I've had that effect while taking shrooms, it was enjoyable, but at the same time. Not real.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yes! I love to take in music and feel it vibrating through you. You hear so many more layers in music than you couldn't before. Radiohead sent cold chills down my back. And I kept being drawn to going outside, too. The smell of the air, the chill going through my nostrils was amazing!!

    Music was so much more intense when tripping. I remember one night siiting in my friend's yard and the sky was litered with stars. When I looked up the stars formed this intricate and beautiful web of light. With each passing breeze this web would shift oh so slightly into a new fascinating pattern.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, you all think it's a good thing? Tripping?

    I know what you are describing, I've had that effect while taking shrooms, it was enjoyable, but at the same time. Not real.


    I enjoyed it and,knock on wood, never experienced a bad trip. I always went into a trip with an open mind. I would neversuggest thatsomeone do shrooms or acid simply because you don't know how people will react to it. To me it was and wasn't real. It felt that I was viewing the reality I existed in but from a different percpective.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    I don't think i'll use hallucinigens again, my last time was I think 2002, for about a week after that "trip" I was feeling drained. It was hard getting back to my normal self. It was a really bad trip. But the experience was good. live 'n' learn.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    MrBrian wrote:
    I don't think i'll use hallucinigens again, my last time was I think 2002, for about a week after that "trip" I was feeling drained. It was hard getting back to my normal self. It was a really bad trip. But the experience was good. live 'n' learn.

    Even though I never hada bad trip I wouldn't do it again. I didn't have the same mind set back them that I have know. I think if I took them now I would freak out.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, you all think it's a good thing? Tripping?

    I know what you are describing, I've had that effect while taking shrooms, it was enjoyable, but at the same time. Not real.


    of course it's a good thing!!! personally, i think they are here to help our perception and evolution...

    that aside, i think ppl have to be very careful when experimenting w/ these types of drugs. it's not like pot or alcohol where you can use it just to get a buzz or 'fucked up' i always saw it more as a spiritual journey and treated it as such...i've tripped a loooooot of times w/ acid and mushrooms a few times w/ lsa...i've never had a bad trip and absinthe

    i prefered being w/ very few ppl and mostly outdoors at night. the first time i took acid was on a camping trip...a firends dad took us out on his boat and dropped us off on this small island less than a mile radius and me and the friend camped out there for the night...it was one of the most beautiful moments of my life...everything that was fuzzy and in the peripheral kinda clicked and everything seemed to make sense....

    i think timothy leary was wrong by implying everyone should do it...some ppl just can't handle it and like i said before you need to be in the proper environment for it...i would prepare mentally a day or 2 ahead...

    and yes, music is the best while tripping...i'd drop a hit or 2 and put on pink floyd's 'a saucerful of secrets' and smoke a joint and by the time the album was coming to an end the acid would be kicking in
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Yea, but..

    Everyone that takes hallucinigens reports different experiences. Some communicate with God, some fly through the universe, some jump off a building and die. There is no consistency with the experience, therefor it's a load of horse shit.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    As with LSD, the studies showed that people experience mostly what they expect to experience. I've never hallucinated and can't imagine ever hallucinating, so I guess that's why the drugs don't work on me.


    i never hallucinated other than light tracers and patterns like paisley <sp?> shifting around, grain of wood, leaves in trees....the closest i came i guess was seeing something that looked like a web of dim light over an entrance
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i never hallucinated other than light tracers and patterns like paisley <sp?> shifting around, grain of wood, leaves in trees....the closest i came i guess was seeing something that looked like a web of dim light over an entrance

    Probably because the drug is interferring with your sensory perception.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, but..

    Everyone that takes hallucinigens reports different experiences. Some communicate with God, some fly through the universe, some jump off a building and die. There is no consistency with the experience, therefor it's a load of horse shit.


    there's plenty of factors...did the person know they were taking acid? what was the environment like they were in while under its effects? things aren't concrete and the same for everybody.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Probably because the drug is interferring with your sensory perception.


    uh yeah, duh

    your pupils get real big when you are tripping
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    El_Kabong wrote:
    uh yeah, duh

    your pupils get real big when you are tripping

    So, how is it spiritual then?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, how is it spiritual then?


    b/c light perception isn't the only effects

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd#Effects
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Imagine being awake for 3 days on amphetamines and then dropping 2 hits of acid. Full-blown hallucinations are guaranteed.
    reigning champion

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, but..

    Everyone that takes hallucinigens reports different experiences. Some communicate with God, some fly through the universe, some jump off a building and die. There is no consistency with the experience, therefor it's a load of horse shit.
    Sometimes Ahnimus you should turn off the analytical side of your brain and let the creative side take over. That is what tripping is to me. Let your brain experiment and find alternate "realities".
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    El_Kabong wrote:
    b/c light perception isn't the only effects

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd#Effects

    Yea, it messes with your brain. Not good man. Check out the section on chronic psychosis as a side-effect.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    cutback wrote:
    Sometimes Ahnimus you should turn off the analytical side of your brain and let the creative side take over. That is what tripping is to me. Let your brain experiment and find alternate "realities".

    It's all hallucinations though, there are no alternate realities. lol
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    mammasan wrote:
    Even though I never hada bad trip I wouldn't do it again. I didn't have the same mind set back them that I have know. I think if I took them now I would freak out.

    hehe, yeah I would probably do the same. I dunno, I guess I just got that types of stuff out of my system. I don't feel the need to trip again.

    Maybe one day after I have kids and I'm searching for something else, who knows, but for now, I don't need them.
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    i never tripped acid or did shrooms, but id do it if i knew it would get rid of my OCD. damn i like shit to be clean and in order.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's all hallucinations though, there are no alternate realities. lol

    You do realize that reality requires your perception of it, don't you? There is no one, concrete reality for everyone to experience.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You do realize that reality requires your perception of it, don't you? There is no one, concrete reality for everyone to experience.

    There is without drugs and dementia.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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