Will History Prove "W" To Be Better Than We Gave Him Credit For?
pjalive21
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i believe his first 4 years were good, but the last 4 even left me scratching my head
i believe he kept us safe and that im thankful for
personally, i think if anything...with time and distance..i think history will prove the opposite. i think his presidency was far more damaging than we even imagine...and we will live and feel th repercussions for a long, long time.
Let's just breathe...
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One does not achieve all-time lows in recorded popularity without some justifiable cause.
You can argue to high heaven (and some will) that the multiple tragic failings of his administration are not entirely his fault. That is probably true. However, his lack of vision and temperance, insistent practice of cronyism, father issues, and almost total absence of intellectual curiosity surely didn't help.
If it becomes, basically, Germany 2.0 ... I think that would help his legacy immensely.
for the least they could possibly do
However... they do always talk about how unpopular Lincoln was during his time in the White House, and if for some unexplainable reason the invasion of Iraq did lead to democracy and peace in the middle east I could see where down the road he might get some credit with taking the initiative to getting that done. In which case he would probably be praised, the way Lincoln is praised for saving the Union all these years later. ( I really doubt this though. It is just a LONG shot in my opinion.)
More along these lines for sure. However comedians had a field day, 8 years of CONSTANT material.
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seriously, our first truly pre-emptive war, us being the agressors...and for what? and does it set a precident for future actions? it cannot be undone. for that alone he should go down as one of the worst presidents. ever. imo of course.
Let's just breathe...
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I don't mean to compare the two ... but, just consider this food for thought:
What if invading Germany in 1939 would have ousted Hitler, prevented the Holocaust and avoided WWII? Would that pre-emptive war have been worth it?
for the least they could possibly do
It will be hard to paint W in any light but that of a below avg President.
He sucked balls bigtime and unless the history books are written for evangelical private schools the history concerning the Bush II will only reflect the controversy of the Iraq war and the poor economy.
The events of 9/11 could save him some grace and keep him from being the worst president ever but any serious study of this time will only show how the American people and the world were "manipulated" for many years with false flags by those in power.
Obama should learn from this. He should stay left and stay clear of non-partisian politics. It just doesnt work...
I would have to say that it is the complete opposite. What made Bush such a bad president was his inability or unwillingness to work with the other side.
i think the Lincoln comparison is plausible if things in Iraq turn out peaceful
other than that he was an average to below average president over 8 years, the last 4 hurting him the most
Nope, Remember the bailout? He voted with the Democrats. Remember the Stimulous package? He help change the bill for Non-Tax payers to get the money as well... I could go on and on...
The delayed response to Katrina
The astronomical cost of the Iraq War
Guantanomo Bay staff treatment of prisoners
Decreased respectability towards US from other countries. We are still a power, but not the exclusive superpower in my opinion. I have a feeling outside of the US we are seen as predatory simple mind folk. Posturing towards North Korea and Iran. It was embarrassing as an USer to read about his threatening other nations when we can't even finish a war.
Was there better education for children? (I don't know.)
Was there better access to health care? (I don't know.)
Worst economic crisis since the Depression
On his shift I saw more media advances for a common person's opinion ie. blogs/podcasts etc, but it seems that fewer entities own the airwaves or internet waves.
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Look at Clinton ... hell, he was up for impeechment. As much as Bush has been a bad president, the whole scene with Lewinsky was such a humiliation for this country. But, with his post presidential work with the Clinton Initiative, a little "remarketing", now .... he's seemingly beloved.
Bush is an affable guy ... as long as he doesn't have the tag "President of the United States of America" on him, I could see him, possibly continuing his work to aid Africa and looking like a champ ... which will bleed into his presidency. Won't put him in Lincoln territory ... but, it'll improve people's perception of his presidency.
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I don't think the stimulus package or the bail out are even close to being his worst moments.
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it's that attitude the Bush administration took that was one of their major problems. He made decisions with the same process and intent as he campaigned. You can't run a country on Rove's rules. That's one of the reasons why 43% of whites voted for an African-American for President, that and the fact he's smarter and more competent, IMO, than anyone that's held the job in a few generations.
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Attempting to suggest that the war in Iraq in any way added to the 'safety' of America or anyone else in the world is unthinkable. Saddam couldn't have launched an offensive against an average sized lych gang, let alone the world's biggest superpower. All that war has done is piss off people all over the Middle East... imagine the Pakistani army invading to secure peace in Yugoslavia ten years ago, do you think Europeans would have applauded that magnanimous and self-effecing act?! (Oh, I forgot, there is bugger all in Yugoslavia except land mines and nice beaches, so nobody would bother liberating those people, would they?)
And whoever said, "he kept us safe" must have forgotten what happened 7 years and one month ago.
Bush was a prat and always will be, however, I agree that he will be remembered more fondly than he is now, as he currently has a minus rating, so even if he gets back to zero it's an achievement.
Doesn't matter, I am just giving recent examples when Bush and Co. tried to do bi-partisianship. It just doesn't work and you get ridiculed by both parties for even trying to find even ground. It's really sad. Obama needs to stay left or he will get eaten alive by both democrats and republicans. Just as if Mccain won, he would have to stay completely right or get eaten alive.
well said, Saddam wasn't a threat to us, but he did play a role in keeping Iran in check.
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then again, when Carter left office, he wasnt thought of very highly, but he really wasnt that bad afterall...
Bush? Yes... that bad afterall...
and still jonesing for another show....
"the waiting drove me mad..."
It was Bush's divisiveness and refusal to work with the other party that divided this country. He created an environment of hyper-partisanship that they few times he did try to reach across the aisle the partisanship he created helped defeat those efforts. All you have to do is look back to the Clinton presidency. his success came from working with the other party, not by working against them.