sure, and I include myself in that even though I have never got in a physical fight with anyone and never used violence.
My point is in the past, school shootings always promoted people to single out and blame one person or thing. Marilyn manson, video games, movies, music, books, etc...
My point is this: as long as its just marilyn manson responsible, no one has to look at themselves or the culture. They dont have to ask real questions. After all we arent marilyn manson and we arent Stephen King and we arent Quentin Tarantino and we arent hip hop etc...
The whole culture is rotten, thats the whole point. Trying to lock up a few bad apples isnt going to stop anything. Just as locking up a few bad apples who beat and brutalized inmates in abu Gharaib and Gitmo doesnt stop rampant prisoner abuse in iraq and Gitmo.
They are scapegoats.
My plan would be to examine society as a whole, the culture as a whole, and for each of us to look at ourselves.
To me, this make much more sense than anything I have heard by the talking heads about this school shooting.
Doesnt this concern people, the rise in school shoootings, the rising in domestic violence, the rising in murders and rapes? What is this rise in crime due to?
and I disagree about psychosis. I grew up with that talk. My parents are both in the medical field. And their stance on the shootings was this was a lone nut, a guy who lost it.
That stance never made sense to me and I guess thats I why I am a sociology major.
To believe that stance would be so silly. To believe this guy was insane and that all killers are insane suggests that NOTHING can be done about killers or murderers or rapists UNTIL AFTER the crime occurs.
Sociology attacks the problem from the root. Thats why I am a radical. Thats what radical means. Getting to the root.
I am not attacking the poster who made that comment, but what help is it for society to say this guy is insane. It doesnt stop school shootings in the future
My plan would be to examine society as a whole, the culture as a whole, and for each of us to look at ourselves.
To me, this make much more sense than anything I have heard by the talking heads about this school shooting.
Doesnt this concern people, the rise in school shoootings, the rising in domestic violence, the rising in murders and rapes? What is this rise in crime due to?
but i like my violent side. i channel it constructively. though sometimes it escapes.
you are never gonna change society when our most primeval instinct is supressed cause no one wants to admit it exists in all of us. when no one will admit that acts of violence aren't anomalous but part of who we are.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I am not attacking the poster who made that comment, but what help is it for society to say this guy is insane. It doesnt stop school shootings in the future
that would be me che. i never said he was insane.
but dont you think that cho at some point lost contact with reality?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
and I disagree about psychosis. I grew up with that talk. My parents are both in the medical field. And their stance on the shootings was this was a lone nut, a guy who lost it.
That stance never made sense to me and I guess thats I why I am a sociology major.
To believe that stance would be so silly. To believe this guy was insane and that all killers are insane suggests that NOTHING can be done about killers or murderers or rapists UNTIL AFTER the crime occurs.
Sociology attacks the problem from the root. Thats why I am a radical. Thats what radical means. Getting to the root.
I am not attacking the poster who made that comment, but what help is it for society to say this guy is insane. It doesnt stop school shootings in the future
i dont think the columbine killers were insane, but cho definitely was. he displayed classic symptoms of schizophrenia. he was not right. he could have been stopped before, with proper medical attention i believe. however, you do have a point in that i am sure the violence in our culture shaped the way his psychosis expressed itself. even more so did violent culture have an influence on the columbine killers.
i agree you can't single out video games and marilyn manson, but they are part of the problem if you're talking about a culture that glorifies violence, becos they contribute to it. there's a tension here between free expression/censorship and trying to maintain a healthy culture. it's a difficult issue to deal with. you can't really legislate that, you have to change people's minds and that is kinda tough becos humans are kinda morbid and still very animalistic in many senses.
I understand the teachers concern, but involving the cops is ridiculous. The teacher specifically told the students to right whatever came to mind and not to edit it at all. Funny little fact, the kid has a 4.2 gpa and is going into the marines in october with one of his friends. The fact that this kid can face jail time is a disgrace and makes me sick. Disturbing essay...yes. But arresting the fucking kid makes no sense.
"Tonight we're just gonna play you some good old American Rock and Roll." tom petty-7-15-05
Comments
My point is in the past, school shootings always promoted people to single out and blame one person or thing. Marilyn manson, video games, movies, music, books, etc...
My point is this: as long as its just marilyn manson responsible, no one has to look at themselves or the culture. They dont have to ask real questions. After all we arent marilyn manson and we arent Stephen King and we arent Quentin Tarantino and we arent hip hop etc...
The whole culture is rotten, thats the whole point. Trying to lock up a few bad apples isnt going to stop anything. Just as locking up a few bad apples who beat and brutalized inmates in abu Gharaib and Gitmo doesnt stop rampant prisoner abuse in iraq and Gitmo.
They are scapegoats.
My plan would be to examine society as a whole, the culture as a whole, and for each of us to look at ourselves.
To me, this make much more sense than anything I have heard by the talking heads about this school shooting.
Doesnt this concern people, the rise in school shoootings, the rising in domestic violence, the rising in murders and rapes? What is this rise in crime due to?
That stance never made sense to me and I guess thats I why I am a sociology major.
To believe that stance would be so silly. To believe this guy was insane and that all killers are insane suggests that NOTHING can be done about killers or murderers or rapists UNTIL AFTER the crime occurs.
Sociology attacks the problem from the root. Thats why I am a radical. Thats what radical means. Getting to the root.
I am not attacking the poster who made that comment, but what help is it for society to say this guy is insane. It doesnt stop school shootings in the future
but i like my violent side. i channel it constructively. though sometimes it escapes.
you are never gonna change society when our most primeval instinct is supressed cause no one wants to admit it exists in all of us. when no one will admit that acts of violence aren't anomalous but part of who we are.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
that would be me che.
but dont you think that cho at some point lost contact with reality?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i dont think the columbine killers were insane, but cho definitely was. he displayed classic symptoms of schizophrenia. he was not right. he could have been stopped before, with proper medical attention i believe. however, you do have a point in that i am sure the violence in our culture shaped the way his psychosis expressed itself. even more so did violent culture have an influence on the columbine killers.
i agree you can't single out video games and marilyn manson, but they are part of the problem if you're talking about a culture that glorifies violence, becos they contribute to it. there's a tension here between free expression/censorship and trying to maintain a healthy culture. it's a difficult issue to deal with. you can't really legislate that, you have to change people's minds and that is kinda tough becos humans are kinda morbid and still very animalistic in many senses.