becos the women around here dont hate me enough already

baraka

gue_barium wrote:

Because you've personalized it. To me. Your language speaks in the personal tones of someone who has been presented a strong challenge, yet doesn't really speak about it in plain terms.

I'm not following you. What are 'plain terms'?

gue_barium

baraka wrote:

Well I believe that sometimes you have to know the darkness to know the light, but I don't think that has to be a prerequisite. Maybe you yourself were not beat as a kid, but you witnessed a beating or had a friend that was beat. Sure, our past, the good and the bad, make us what we are today. If that is what you are saying................

Nope, I was beat.

See though? when I tell you that, you formulate a result of what becomes of an abused child. Or, maybe you don't, but most people do. There are stigmas everywhere. I hestitate to tell anyone i served in the marine corps for the stigma that goes with that. stigmas and stereotypes, inter-related.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

Nope, I was beat.

See though? when I tell you that, you formulate a result of what becomes of an abused child. Or, maybe you don't, but most people do. There are stigmas everywhere. I hestitate to tell anyone i served in the marine corps for the stigma that goes with that. stigmas and stereotypes, inter-related.

if you don't like the judgments and stigmas, why do you put them on others, and tell others what to do with their history, albeit in passively-aggressive ways?

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

if you don't like the judgments and stigmas, why do you put them on others, and tell others what to do with their history, albeit in passively-aggressive ways?

Me?????

i don't, i really don't.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

Me?????

i don't, i really don't.

right......

when you point the finger, my friend, when you point the finger.

gue_barium

baraka wrote:

I'm not following you. What are 'plain terms'?

I was just trying to get a story out of you. Like, just anything, anytime you were wrongly accused and punished for it.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

right......

when you point the finger, my friend, when you point the finger.

You're giving me too much credit.

I'm your friend.

baraka

gue_barium wrote:

Nope, I was beat.

I think you missed my point, gue. I asked you if you were saying that your past, the good & the bad, makes you into the person you are today? I was trying to understand your point.

gue_barium wrote:

See though? when I tell you that, you formulate a result of what becomes of an abused child. Or, maybe you don't, but most people do. There are stigmas everywhere. I hestitate to tell anyone i served in the marine corps for the stigma that goes with that. stigmas and stereotypes, inter-related.

And what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what others 'see' you as. What is important is how you see yourself.

baraka

gue_barium wrote:

I was just trying to get a story out of you. Like, just anything, anytime you were wrongly accused and punished for it.

So you want me to be MORE personal in my posting? Like applying what I say to a 'real life' story about myself?

gue_barium

baraka wrote:

I think you missed my point, gue. I asked you if you were saying that your past, the good & the bad, makes you into the person you are today? I was trying to understand your point.



And what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what others 'see' you as. What is important is how you see yourself.

Of course it is.
I'm over-indivuated, if you ask me. That is to mean, I wish I could get along with people better.

gue_barium

baraka wrote:

So you want me to be MORE personal in my posting? Like applying what I say to a 'real life' story about myself?

I just want to see a picture of you in that bunny costume.

baraka

gue_barium wrote:

Of course it is.

Ok, and I agreed with you. I only added that it is not a prerequisite to have had a terrible past to be a creative thinker. I do think those that have survived their pasts (over come the victim complex) are usually very strong individuals.

gue_barium wrote:

I'm over-indivuated, if you ask me. That is to mean, I wish I could get along with people better.

Then make it so

gue_barium

baraka wrote:

Ok, and I agreed with you. I only added that it is not a prerequisite to have had a terrible past to be a creative thinker. I do think those that have survived their pasts (over come the victim complex) are usually very strong individuals.




Then make it so

I do alright. I almost do too well. People start expecting things of me.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

Of course it is.
I'm over-indivuated, if you ask me. That is to mean, I wish I could get along with people better.

Individuated actions are shown when one is freed up from being hooked to others in conflict. They side step the hooks that are laid out around them. Self-sabotaging actions indicate places where there is a lack of individuation. One is unconsciously hooking themselves, despite what the conscious self likes to think.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

Individuated actions are shown when one is freed up from being hooked to others in conflict. They side step the hooks that are laid out around them. Self-sabotaging actions indicate places where there is a lack of individuation. One is unconsciously hooking themselves, despite what the conscious self likes to think.

I'll admit to a past that involves self-destruction. This isn't about me, though.

Nice post, A.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

I'll admit to a past that involves self-destruction. This isn't about me, though.

Nice post, A.

dude, when you personalize this, and I mean in the now, between you and I, it is about you. And ditto for myself.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

dude, when you personalize this, and I mean in the now, between you and I, it is about you. And ditto for myself.

Let's get married.
It works out well. The IRS is after me...mmm...i wouldn't mind living in Canada. I'd prefer to be closer to the Rockies than Ontario, though, if you don't mind.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

dude, when you personalize this, and I mean in the now, between you and I, it is about you. And ditto for myself.

well, i was sorta talking to you there A.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

Let's get married.
It works out well. The IRS is after me...mmm...i wouldn't mind living in Canada. I'd prefer to be closer to the Rockies than Ontario, though, if you don't mind.

I'll pass.

I prefer "my men" to operate fairly and on the even playing field.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

I'll pass.

I prefer "my men" to operate fairly and on the even playing field.

Plus, I don't wear make-up.

Gosh, you're a bit miffed with me this morning.