Community Organizer

Thecure

digster wrote:

It will, because community organizers work primarily in urban, low-income, minority neighborhoods. No wonder these people have no clue what a community organizer is.

"these People" thats right rep. don't know about being poor or being a minority. they all come from very rich families. "rolleyes"

i am know going to look at what Palin community was like when she was mayor.

Thecure

transplant wrote:

I guess I don't see how you are taking the view that Palin sits back with her buddies and makes fun of Community Organizers. People are cynical, however I don't believe anybody does this.

the back in forth between Palin and Obama will be the experience factor obviously.

If I am looking at applications for President/VP and under experience I see one with Community Organization and one with Mayor, well, Mayor holds a bit more weight with me. Without being in either position, I would think a Mayor would be held more accountable with greater responsibilities than a community organizer would. When push comes to shove, a Mayor will be held primarily responsible. I am not sure it would go that way with a Community Organizer. I think that was supposed to be the point.

However, this quote can so easily go in the other direction that yeah, it will get pounced on, perhaps it should. I am still waiting for a certain quote made last night to get pounced upon. I can't believe I haven't seen it mentioned yet

my favorite quote was that Obama "has written 2 books but not one major law"

digster

Thecure wrote:

"these People" thats right rep. don't know about being poor or being a minority. they all come from very rich families. "rolleyes"

i am know going to look at what Palin community was like when she was mayor.

Republicans are certainly not all rich, certainly not all white, and certainly not all male. Were many, if not most, of the delegates and distinguished guests who laughed mockingly at someone who decided to devote his time to community service some of those stereotypical rich Republicans who don't give a shit about the urban poor? Considering their response to Palin's digs, I'm going to take a guess and say yes.

Urban, minority, low-income men and women overwhelmingly vote Democratic. This is no secret.

digster

transplant wrote:

I guess I don't see how you are taking the view that Palin sits back with her buddies and makes fun of Community Organizers. People are cynical, however I don't believe anybody does this.

the back in forth between Palin and Obama will be the experience factor obviously.

However, this quote can so easily go in the other direction that yeah, it will get pounced on, perhaps it should. I am still waiting for a certain quote made last night to get pounced upon. I can't believe I haven't seen it mentioned yet

I mean, I can't convince you otherwise, but I don't know how anyone can read that line as anything other than a dig at the supposed worthlessness of a job such as community organizing. You're telling me when she said that being mayor is like being a community organizer except with actual responsibilities, what she was really saying was that community organizing is really great but I don't think it compares to my executive experience as mayor? Sorry, but I don't buy that for a moment, and I think the crowd's reaction proves my point.

jimed14

harrymanback wrote:

i do not think people were making fun of her being mayor ... i think they just were wondering why being mayor of a 7K person town qualifies her to be a VP..

Well she hired lobbists that secured millions of earmarks for her little town didn't she? Sounds like a grizzled washington politician to me.

londonwpr

harrymanback wrote:

i do not think people were making fun of her being mayor ... i think they just were wondering why being mayor of a 7K person town qualifies her to be a VP.

also, they keep saying she has more executive experience than the dem side combined ... doesn't she also have more executive experience than McCain? maybe her name should be at the top of the ballot.

I kept thinking the same thing as I watched the Republicans make fools of themselves last night. They kept going on and on about Obama's lack of executive experience. Last I checked McCain has no executive experience either.

Sarah Palin got a few hundred votes and got elected mayor of a town of 7K. She also has been govenor of a state with a population of less than 700,000 for under 2 years. It's scary that she could possibly be a heart beat away from being the next President.

Thecure

digster wrote:

I don't see how anyone could take that view...

Being a small town mayor is like "community organizing" with actual responsibilities.
(Dumbass arena laughs heartily)

How is that not poking fun at community organizers? I mean, do these people have any idea what community organizers do?

i think you can make teh case that being a mayor has more responsibities as they are voted on by the public. but i disagree that Community organzers don't have actual responsibities, they do but of a different kind. i still believe that she was attacking Obama abotu this as people were attacking her about how she was just a mayor.

cincybearcat

PissBottleMan wrote:

I thought this message from Obama's Campaign manager David Plouffe was nicely put:

"Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies."

PBM

In chicago right? Ain't that the Dem's territory and state and local policies?

musicismylife78

being an organizer is admirable, but its becoming so much like that other overused phrase from 4 years ago, john edwards famous "son of a millworker".

these people repeat it over and over again. its like couldnt their speechwriters come up with anything else?

Or Mccains "footsoldier in the reagan revolution"

Vedderlution_Baby

radiohead33 wrote:

being an organizer is admirable, but its becoming so much like that other overused phrase from 4 years ago, john edwards famous "son of a millworker".

these people repeat it over and over again. its like couldnt their speechwriters come up with anything else?

Or Mccains "footsoldier in the reagan revolution"

Mccain was a footsoldier in the american revolution.

(Sorry, but there is just no way I could've possibly passed that up)

Foxwell

transplant wrote:

If I am looking at applications for President/VP and under experience I see one with Community Organization and one with Mayor, well, Mayor holds a bit more weight with me.

This quote brings up a point I've been mulling over since the snarkiness of the whole "community organizer" barbs became a part of this race:
Community Organizer vs Mayor of a village...why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that Barack was a community organizer nearly twenty years ago. The "weakness" on her resume is a mere eighteen months in the past. Barack has done a thing or two since his days in Chicago.

And by the by, I put "weakness" in quotation marks to denote verbal irony. Working in your community is a noble act.

Other famous community organizers: Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela, Jesus Christ.

Obviously, Barack isn't in that league, but that list does shine a light on the kind of ridiculousness Guilliani and Palin were dealing in last night.

digster

radiohead33 wrote:

being an organizer is admirable, but its becoming so much like that other overused phrase from 4 years ago, john edwards famous "son of a millworker".

these people repeat it over and over again. its like couldnt their speechwriters come up with anything else?

Or Mccains "footsoldier in the reagan revolution"

Difference between being a community organizer and the son of a millworker is that being a community organizer is a job.

anotherclone

I'm not even a community organizer, but that pissed me off.

A community organizer works to help people after politicians leave them behind with their failed policies.

Like helping people after a governor has vetoed funding for helping pregnant teenagers, the elderly and special needs children.

Yes. I'm talking to you, Sarah Palin.

harrymanback

Foxwell wrote:

Community Organizer vs Mayor of a village...why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that Barack was a community organizer nearly twenty years ago. The "weakness" on her resume is a mere eighteen months in the past. Barack has done a thing or two since his days in Chicago.
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exactly ... this was one of his first jobs (before he even went to law school) and almost 10 years before he became a state legislator.

inmytree

radiohead33 wrote:

being an organizer is admirable, but its becoming so much like that other overused phrase from 4 years ago, john edwards famous "son of a millworker".

these people repeat it over and over again. its like couldnt their speechwriters come up with anything else?

Or Mccains "footsoldier in the reagan revolution"

personally, I wish they'd retire "maverick"....

transplant

digster wrote:

You're telling me when she said that being mayor is like being a community organizer except with actual responsibilities, what she was really saying was that community organizing is really great but I don't think it compares to my executive experience as mayor?

that is exactly what I am saying. I just don't find my thought process to be that hard of a stretch. I think it would be difficult to find 10 people, let alone an entire room full of them that find community service to be laughable.

It is pretty easy though to take that quote that way which is why I think it deserves to be slammed. So I guess we don't buy each others story for a second.

anotherclone

I just thought of something. In addition to her experience as mayor and governor, isn't Mrs. Hotpants touting her experience as president of the PTA?

blackredyellow

Thecure wrote:

my favorite quote was that Obama "has written 2 books but not one major law"

That was actually a good quote.

Solat13

I wonder if the GOP will make a snide comment about how Chicago needs some good community organizers after this story hit the wire today:

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html

It's the kind of snide remark and shot they usually take.

transplant

PEPPER wrote:

I don't think they were laughing at community organizer.....I think they were laughing at the dems for putting a man in contention for president with this as his experience...betcha Hillary was laughing also

exactly.