yes, i know this, but why should the fed gov't (bush) be raked over the coals because the people basically got what was coming to them?
he wasn't raked because their homes where destroyed. he was raked because he highered an ill-qualified lacky to run FEMA which handled the resulting diseaster about as well as a bunch of drunk and stoned frat boys.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
yes, i know this, but why should the fed gov't (bush) be raked over the coals because the people basically got what was coming to them?
To me if the government tells me that the levees protecting my home are going to hold up then I expect them to hold up. It is not like the average citizen would have the training to go inspect them him or herself.
he wasn't raked because their homes where destroyed. he was raked because he highered an ill-qualified lacky to run FEMA which handled the resulting diseaster about as well as a bunch of drunk and stoned frat boys.
all i hear is how he's drunk with power etc....
local and state had MUCH more to do with not getting people out in time. he couldn't make them evacuate people. so when he stays within his power, it's still his fault.
if they would have gotten people out in time, there wouldn't have been such a mess.
the theme of this thread is basically, if you build in a forest, don't bitch when yr house gets burned up
what's the difference with people bitching when they got flooded, when they live in a flood prone area?
local and state had MUCH more to do with not getting people out in time. he couldn't make them evacuate people. so when he stays within his power, it's still his fault.
if they would have gotten people out in time, there wouldn't have been such a mess.
the theme of this thread is basically, if you build in a forest, don't bitch when yr house gets burned up
what's the difference with people bitching when they got flooded, when they live in a flood prone area?
I stated that Local and State government where equally responsible. Also just because people decide to live in flood plain doesn't mean we leave them there to starve and dehydrate when a flood comes. We do our best to get them out of there and help them. All levels of government failed in getting the help those people needed when they needed it.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
local and state had MUCH more to do with not getting people out in time. he couldn't make them evacuate people. so when he stays within his power, it's still his fault.
if they would have gotten people out in time, there wouldn't have been such a mess.
the theme of this thread is basically, if you build in a forest, don't bitch when yr house gets burned up
what's the difference with people bitching when they got flooded, when they live in a flood prone area?
I'm confused...you say bushy can't be blamed...and that "people" are to blame for living in a flood prone area, thus they shouldn't "bitch"...yet you go on to blame local and state leaders...
which is it, lady...? people or leaders to blame...
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No funding. No one wants to pay for that. Even if the tax was called, "The Tax Specifically Used To Pay For Control Burns So People's Houses Don't Go Up In Flames Tax" and actually did exactly that... no one would go for it. Especially, the people who don't live on the hillsides... they don't give a shit about them.
I remember in college out there, it was all of the dirty hippies who took a day off of putting spikes in trees to protest controlled burning because they claimed it would seriously ham the environment.
so he should be held responsible for people getting wiped out?
he's responsible for the fires too, right?
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Lemme guess... you got an 'F' in high school governemnt class, didn't you?
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And no one is blaming Bush for hurricanes or brushfires. If you get you head out of president Bush's lap for a second, you'd hear what we are saying.
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I'm confused...you say bushy can't be blamed...and that "people" are to blame for living in a flood prone area, thus they shouldn't "bitch"...yet you go on to blame local and state leaders...
which is it, lady...? people or leaders to blame...
well, girlfriend, if you can read, i stated what i had to say. if you can't follow it, i'll type real slow
To me if the government tells me that the levees protecting my home are going to hold up then I expect them to hold up. It is not like the average citizen would have the training to go inspect them him or herself.
the storm was bigger than what the levees were built for
why would you believe anything the gov't has to say anyway?
I remember in college out there, it was all of the dirty hippies who took a day off of putting spikes in trees to protest controlled burning because they claimed it would seriously ham the environment.
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I don't know the specifics or validity of your statements, but i do know there's a difference between clear cutting forests and control burning under brush. Most environmentalist advocate control burns in order to preserve and protect the trees in the wild.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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And maybe they could call it 'Tornado Boulevard' or 'Tornado Avenue'... just something that let's people know it might not be the best place to build your home.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I agree... Global Warming... not the problem. Where we build... problem.
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Example... why the HELL would anyone build a house in a place that is nicknamed, 'Tornado Alley'? I mean, the place is fucking called, 'Tornado Alley'!!! Isn't that a big fucking clue???
Maybe because thats where all the farmland is...you need someone to harvest crops right? Or maybe people here in the midwest don't want to deal with earthquakes and landslides or pollution on the west coast, or hurricanes on the east coast and blizzards in the north.
I live in "Tornado Alley" and I can say I've been lucky enough in my 26 years to have never seen a tornado. Yes tornadoes occur more frequently in the Midwest than anywhere else, and theres a good sized flood somewhere in the area every year, and theres the occasional earthquake, but as far as natural disasters go, I'd rather live in the Midwest.
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Maybe because thats where all the farmland is...you need someone to harvest crops right? Or maybe people here in the midwest don't want to deal with earthquakes and landslides or pollution on the west coast, or hurricanes on the east coast and blizzards in the north.
I live in "Tornado Alley" and I can say I've been lucky enough in my 26 years to have never seen a tornado. Yes tornadoes occur more frequently in the Midwest than anywhere else, and theres a good sized flood somewhere in the area every year, and theres the occasional earthquake, but as far as natural disasters go, I'd rather live in the Midwest.
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Fine. I'm not a farmer.. i like to sleep til noon. And as long as you don't complain when a tornado takes your house, you can like where ever you want. For me... when I see the sign on the Highway that says, 'Welcome to Tornadoville'... I'm not building my house there. Just like the people in Southern California who built their homes on Blacktop Ridge... guess why they call it black top ridge? If they accept the fact that fire is likely to consume their home... fine.
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Also... do you agree that 'Tornado Alley' is probably NOT the best place to build a sprawling suburb... right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
the storm was bigger than what the levees were built for
why would you believe anything the gov't has to say anyway?
If you are an engineer and you design something if you can't guarantee it you have a duty to inform people. If the army corps of engineers knew it wouldn't hold they should have let people know so that they could make up their own mind. You say people shouldn't move to places like that if they are dangerous to live in but unless you are an expert in every type of natural disaster how else would you know, unless someone who is an expert gave you their opinion?
And if you can't believe the government if they tell you something is safe, does that mean you never fly in a plane, set foot in a tall building or cross a bridge?
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Fine. I'm not a farmer.. i like to sleep til noon. And as long as you don't complain when a tornado takes your house, you can like where ever you want. For me... when I see the sign on the Highway that says, 'Welcome to Tornadoville'... I'm not building my house there. Just like the people in Southern California who built their homes on Blacktop Ridge... guess why they call it black top ridge? If they accept the fact that fire is likely to consume their home... fine.
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Also... do you agree that 'Tornado Alley' is probably NOT the best place to build a sprawling suburb... right?
The thing is there are not many places you can go in the world where you can escape natural disasters. Sure you can move out of Tornado alley, but where to? On the pacific coast you could get hit by an earth quake (or fire in California). On the Atlantic there are hurricanes. And in the north you have things like blizzards and ice. I guess your only real choice is the south west desert but then you are living in a desert. As long as their are building codes in place so that people houses don't fall down if you look at them funny, I don't really have a problem with people living anywhere. I mean if you moved everyone out of those places I just mentioned it would be millions of people.
I think 'tornado alley' pretty much covers the states of kansas, oklahoma and parts of texas, et al. It isn't like a 50 mile square area or anything like that. It's more like the size of the Bermuda triangle.
Following those arguments that those who choose to live in disaster areas get what they deserve... I'm not taking from the Jamie Lee Curtis or George Carlin statements that people are getting what they deserve. I think it's more a factual statement of environmental ignorance all the way around, and things like what we're seeing with these fires are a perfect example of such.
If you are an engineer and you design something if you can't guarantee it you have a duty to inform people. If the army corps of engineers knew it wouldn't hold they should have let people know so that they could make up their own ming. You say people shouldn't move to places like that if they are dangerous to live in but unless you are an expert in every type of natural disaster how else would you know?
And if you can't believe the government if they tell you something is safe, does that mean you never fly in a plane, set foot in a tall building or cross a bridge?
everybody knew about it, but no one ever thinks it will happen to them. The levees could have been built much better, but local politicians have been stealing money from the levee fund for decades. Its pretty sad when you compare the ancient levee system in New Orleans to systems in places like the Netherlands.
Anyway I guess when nothing disasterous happens for 30 years or so people get lazy and assume its safe. We have short memories.
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Fine. I'm not a farmer.. i like to sleep til noon. And as long as you don't complain when a tornado takes your house, you can like where ever you want. For me... when I see the sign on the Highway that says, 'Welcome to Tornadoville'... I'm not building my house there. Just like the people in Southern California who built their homes on Blacktop Ridge... guess why they call it black top ridge? If they accept the fact that fire is likely to consume their home... fine.
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Also... do you agree that 'Tornado Alley' is probably NOT the best place to build a sprawling suburb... right?
I'm not a farmer either, and I also like to sleep til noon. And if a tornado takes my house, thats what insurance is for. (as long as it doesnt take my cds:))
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so fucking what?
so he should be held responsible for people getting wiped out?
he's responsible for the fires too, right?
he wasn't raked because their homes where destroyed. he was raked because he highered an ill-qualified lacky to run FEMA which handled the resulting diseaster about as well as a bunch of drunk and stoned frat boys.
Yes and it is a great read. I'm about 3/4 of the way through.
a fish stinks from the head down....
To me if the government tells me that the levees protecting my home are going to hold up then I expect them to hold up. It is not like the average citizen would have the training to go inspect them him or herself.
all i hear is how he's drunk with power etc....
local and state had MUCH more to do with not getting people out in time. he couldn't make them evacuate people. so when he stays within his power, it's still his fault.
if they would have gotten people out in time, there wouldn't have been such a mess.
the theme of this thread is basically, if you build in a forest, don't bitch when yr house gets burned up
what's the difference with people bitching when they got flooded, when they live in a flood prone area?
I stated that Local and State government where equally responsible. Also just because people decide to live in flood plain doesn't mean we leave them there to starve and dehydrate when a flood comes. We do our best to get them out of there and help them. All levels of government failed in getting the help those people needed when they needed it.
I'm confused...you say bushy can't be blamed...and that "people" are to blame for living in a flood prone area, thus they shouldn't "bitch"...yet you go on to blame local and state leaders...
which is it, lady...? people or leaders to blame...
I remember in college out there, it was all of the dirty hippies who took a day off of putting spikes in trees to protest controlled burning because they claimed it would seriously ham the environment.
Lemme guess... you got an 'F' in high school governemnt class, didn't you?
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And no one is blaming Bush for hurricanes or brushfires. If you get you head out of president Bush's lap for a second, you'd hear what we are saying.
Hail, Hail!!!
well, girlfriend, if you can read, i stated what i had to say. if you can't follow it, i'll type real slow
did you get one in spelling?
the storm was bigger than what the levees were built for
why would you believe anything the gov't has to say anyway?
I don't know the specifics or validity of your statements, but i do know there's a difference between clear cutting forests and control burning under brush. Most environmentalist advocate control burns in order to preserve and protect the trees in the wild.
Hail, Hail!!!
I read it, and it made no sense....sorry to be the one to point that out to you Mr. Asshat...
Do you blame "officials" or "people"....
keep in mind, your loverboy bushy in not "people"....
what don't you get?
this:
coupled with this:
and this:
on one had you blame people, then you blame leaders....but then you absolve bushy for his role...or lack there of...
looks like a couple were statements.
the last part you quoted is where it's at
if you say so....
The location of tornado alley is also changing.
You got to spend it all
And maybe they could call it 'Tornado Boulevard' or 'Tornado Avenue'... just something that let's people know it might not be the best place to build your home.
Hail, Hail!!!
Maybe because thats where all the farmland is...you need someone to harvest crops right? Or maybe people here in the midwest don't want to deal with earthquakes and landslides or pollution on the west coast, or hurricanes on the east coast and blizzards in the north.
I live in "Tornado Alley" and I can say I've been lucky enough in my 26 years to have never seen a tornado. Yes tornadoes occur more frequently in the Midwest than anywhere else, and theres a good sized flood somewhere in the area every year, and theres the occasional earthquake, but as far as natural disasters go, I'd rather live in the Midwest.
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8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
5/4/10 - St Louis, MO
...tickle my nausea...
Fine. I'm not a farmer.. i like to sleep til noon. And as long as you don't complain when a tornado takes your house, you can like where ever you want. For me... when I see the sign on the Highway that says, 'Welcome to Tornadoville'... I'm not building my house there. Just like the people in Southern California who built their homes on Blacktop Ridge... guess why they call it black top ridge? If they accept the fact that fire is likely to consume their home... fine.
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Also... do you agree that 'Tornado Alley' is probably NOT the best place to build a sprawling suburb... right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Everything Carlin said is absolutely true.
If you are an engineer and you design something if you can't guarantee it you have a duty to inform people. If the army corps of engineers knew it wouldn't hold they should have let people know so that they could make up their own mind. You say people shouldn't move to places like that if they are dangerous to live in but unless you are an expert in every type of natural disaster how else would you know, unless someone who is an expert gave you their opinion?
And if you can't believe the government if they tell you something is safe, does that mean you never fly in a plane, set foot in a tall building or cross a bridge?
The thing is there are not many places you can go in the world where you can escape natural disasters. Sure you can move out of Tornado alley, but where to? On the pacific coast you could get hit by an earth quake (or fire in California). On the Atlantic there are hurricanes. And in the north you have things like blizzards and ice. I guess your only real choice is the south west desert but then you are living in a desert. As long as their are building codes in place so that people houses don't fall down if you look at them funny, I don't really have a problem with people living anywhere. I mean if you moved everyone out of those places I just mentioned it would be millions of people.
Following those arguments that those who choose to live in disaster areas get what they deserve... I'm not taking from the Jamie Lee Curtis or George Carlin statements that people are getting what they deserve. I think it's more a factual statement of environmental ignorance all the way around, and things like what we're seeing with these fires are a perfect example of such.
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everybody knew about it, but no one ever thinks it will happen to them. The levees could have been built much better, but local politicians have been stealing money from the levee fund for decades. Its pretty sad when you compare the ancient levee system in New Orleans to systems in places like the Netherlands.
Anyway I guess when nothing disasterous happens for 30 years or so people get lazy and assume its safe. We have short memories.
I'm not a farmer either, and I also like to sleep til noon. And if a tornado takes my house, thats what insurance is for. (as long as it doesnt take my cds:))
5/16/06 - Chicago, IL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
5/4/10 - St Louis, MO
...tickle my nausea...