M. Moore served subpoena by admin.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    What law did Moore break?
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  • NeverbeenLedbetter
    NeverbeenLedbetter Posts: 213
    my2hands wrote:
    the dumb fucks played right into his hands...

    now moore gets a platform and a microphone... i love it :D


    couldn't agree more
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gabers wrote:
    But they're communists! Don't you understand how evil they are?!

    it's contagious too. just landing in cuba can turn you pink!
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gue_barium wrote:
    What law did Moore break?

    go to the treasury department website and follow the links to cuba sanctions.
    http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/cuba/cuba.shtml

    he didn't procure a license to travel to cuba; and he imported cuban products into the country. he didn't pay the tax on those imports either. the purpose of those imports was purely financial gain and trade between the us and cuban is prohibited.

    the website will give you other laws they may also have been broken.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    onelongsong wrote:
    go to the treasury department website and follow the links to cuba sanctions.
    http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/cuba/cuba.shtml

    he didn't procure a license to travel to cuba; and he imported cuban products into the country. he didn't pay the tax on those imports either. the purpose of those imports was purely financial gain and trade between the us and cuban is prohibited.

    the website will give you other laws they may also have been broken.

    I don't follow.

    There have been countless television network reports out of Cuba, and American made documentaries about Cuba, in Cuba. How is Moore's film any different?
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    gue_barium wrote:
    I don't follow.

    There have been countless television network reports out of Cuba, and American made documentaries about Cuba, in Cuba. How is Moore's film any different?

    they were given permission by the state dept......
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    NeverbeenLedbetter wrote:
    couldn't agree more

    ok; what platform? that the us will enforce it's laws? he's been on talk shows; etc so what platform will this give him? he could have applied for a permit to travel but choose to break the law. if we're going to start a precident of allowing people to be above the law let's START WITH THE PRESIDENT. he's got the highest office so let's make him above the law first.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cutback wrote:
    they were given permission by the state dept......

    American journalists don't need permission from the state department to be journalists in Cuba, or anywhere else in the world.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    ok; what platform? that the us will enforce it's laws? he's been on talk shows; etc so what platform will this give him? he could have applied for a permit to travel but choose to break the law. if we're going to start a precident of allowing people to be above the law let's START WITH THE PRESIDENT. he's got the highest office so let's make him above the law first.
    Or we make everyone follow the law INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    cutback wrote:
    they were given permission by the state dept......

    if they were given permission; then why the subpeona?
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    onelongsong wrote:
    ok; what platform? that the us will enforce it's laws? he's been on talk shows; etc so what platform will this give him? he could have applied for a permit to travel but choose to break the law. if we're going to start a precident of allowing people to be above the law let's START WITH THE PRESIDENT. he's got the highest office so let's make him above the law first.


    We've already done that haven't we? So now it's time for the underlings to follow his example. Led by example.
  • Ott
    Ott Posts: 403
    onelongsong wrote:
    ok; what platform? that the us will enforce it's laws? he's been on talk shows; etc so what platform will this give him? he could have applied for a permit to travel but choose to break the law. if we're going to start a precident of allowing people to be above the law let's START WITH THE PRESIDENT. he's got the highest office so let's make him above the law first.
    Start with the President? Are you high? He ALREADY thinks he can make up/ignore/amend laws at his discretion. But to make it OK is the most dangerous thing I have heard. Ridiculous. Of the people, for the people, by the people. He is (supposed to be) one of us; no different.

    Ott
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    onelongsong wrote:
    if they were given permission; then why the subpeona?

    You misread the post.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    American journalists don't need permission from the state department to be journalists in Cuba, or anywhere else in the world.

    Can someone tell me any different?
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    onelongsong wrote:
    if they were given permission; then why the subpeona?


    it's my understanding that if an american wants to travel to cuba, you must go through the state dept......i could be wrong.....obviously mike didn't do this cuz this admin would never aloow him to go....
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    cutback wrote:
    it's my understanding that if an american wants to travel to cuba, you must go through the state dept......i could be wrong.....obviously mike didn't do this cuz this admin would never aloow him to go....

    you can check the link i posted earlier for the treasury dept. they issue the travel permits. mm is not a journalist nor a member of the press so he'd have to get a permit. he makes movies for profit. if his movies were truthful he may have a loophole but too many things have been proven false.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    onelongsong wrote:
    you can check the link i posted earlier for the treasury dept. they issue the travel permits. mm is not a journalist nor a member of the press so he'd have to get a permit. he makes movies for profit. if his movies were truthful he may have a loophole but too many things have been proven false.

    i agree.....i was just trying to answer gue's question.....
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ott wrote:
    Start with the President? Are you high? He ALREADY thinks he can make up/ignore/amend laws at his discretion. But to make it OK is the most dangerous thing I have heard. Ridiculous. Of the people, for the people, by the people. He is (supposed to be) one of us; no different.

    Ott

    and you don't like that much do you mate? so why should we give free passes to anyone else to break the law?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    onelongsong wrote:
    you can check the link i posted earlier for the treasury dept. they issue the travel permits. mm is not a journalist nor a member of the press so he'd have to get a permit. he makes movies for profit. if his movies were truthful he may have a loophole but too many things have been proven false.

    Moore is a journalist. Period. The work he did in Cuba is journalism.
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  • Ott
    Ott Posts: 403
    onelongsong wrote:
    and you don't like that much do you mate? so why should we give free passes to anyone else to break the law?
    That was my point originally; that the administration is showing HUGE stones in light of all the subpoenas and laws they have been ignoring. What's good for the goose (Moore), should be good for the gander (Bush et al). A law IS a law-even to the Pres and Co!
    I don't deny the fact that Moore broke the law (however misused and outdated); nor that he should face whatever he "deserves"-and my guess is he will, with a smile (and camera, of course). Bad timing is all, really.

    Ott
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