How bad will it get?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYT_0b_XN7A

yahamita

sponger wrote:

Marshall law? Does that require peope to go shopping at bargain department stores? I think you might be referring to martial law.

HAHAHAHAH!!! OMG!!!! that is what I get for trying to be sneaky being online at work and trying to type fast and close the page hahahaha...

_Crazy_Mary_

I am concerned about the state we will be in over the next few years. I am planting 15 nut & fruit trees next month and I have 2 roosters and 40 egg-laying chickens so that when the price of food skyrockets, I will be prepared. I'm also thinking about getting a dairy goat, but I'm not sure if I can handle milking it everyday. Next spring, I will be planting a vegetable garden, too.

DriftingByTheStorm

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I am concerned about the state we will be in over the next few years. I am planting 15 nut & fruit trees next month and I have 2 roosters and 40 egg-laying chickens so that when the price of food skyrockets, I will be prepared. I'm also thinking about getting a dairy goat, but I'm not sure if I can handle milking it everyday. Next spring, I will be planting a vegetable garden, too.

thats awesome.
but you need some kune kune too. They eat grass, but not sheep -- and grass is always cheap, even in a depression.

eyedclaar

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I am concerned about the state we will be in over the next few years. I am planting 15 nut & fruit trees next month and I have 2 roosters and 40 egg-laying chickens so that when the price of food skyrockets, I will be prepared. I'm also thinking about getting a dairy goat, but I'm not sure if I can handle milking it everyday. Next spring, I will be planting a vegetable garden, too.

That's really great, practical, and forward thinking. However, if the shit really hits the fan, aren't you worried the hungry folks out there will just wind up stealing from people like you? Just curious...

Lizard

eyedclaar wrote:

That's really great, practical, and forward thinking. However, if the shit really hits the fan, aren't you worried the hungry folks like me will just wind up stealing from people like you? Just curious...

I fixed your post!

_Crazy_Mary_

eyedclaar wrote:

That's really great, practical, and forward thinking. However, if the shit really hits the fan, aren't you worried the hungry folks out there will just wind up stealing from people like you? Just curious...

I have thought about that, but I live so far out in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors, so I don't think it'll happen.
In the meantime, I will be selling my eggs for $5/dozen. They are free-range and organic.

eyedclaar

Lizard wrote:

I fixed your post!

hahaha. I should have said - How do you plan on stopping thieves like me from stealing all your food and belongings? My brother in Alaska was telling me once about how he planned on stocking up food and gear for the eventual societal collapse, and I was like great, now I know who to rob.

_Crazy_Mary_

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

thats awesome.
but you need some kune kune too. They eat grass, but not sheep -- and grass is always cheap, even in a depression.

I have dial-up. so can't check out the youtube. Are those pigs? I would love to raise pigs, but how much would it cost to butcher them?! If I could sell a pig to a local restaurant, and get some meat for myself it might be worth it.

eyedclaar

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I have thought about that, but I live so far out in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors, so I don't think it'll happen.
In the meantime, I will be selling my eggs for $5/dozen. They are free-range and organic.

Actually, living in the middle of nowhere might increase your chances of being robbed as people will be leaving the cities in a mass exodus and they'll be looking for food.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like you have a kick-ass place. I'm jealous.

DriftingByTheStorm

eyedclaar wrote:

That's really great, practical, and forward thinking. However, if the shit really hits the fan, aren't you worried the hungry folks out there will just wind up stealing from people like you? Just curious...

I think this goes back to something AJ has been harping on endlessly with callers who have similar sentiments to your across the board.

YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PREPARE!
If they drop bombs on us tomorrow, or throw us in camps, or confiscate our gold, or if riots and looters run amuck ... YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT MAKES BEST SENSE and at the end of the day, MAN MUST DEFEND HIS RIGHTS.

Even if the zombie apocalypse comes,
all you can do is stock up on guns, and essentials... and pray to god!
I know yours is an innocent questions, but you touched a nerve with a sentiment i get tired of hearing all around me. If it isn't callers on the radio, or friends of mine, it is my own goddamn parents who never listened to my pleas to pull their money out of the market, and who now are stuck in paralysis, with thoughts like, "but if the market never comes back, what does it even matter?"

GET YOUR FUCKING DUCKS IN A ROW, FOLKS.
This is no goddamn bullshit!

I know (or at least i FEEL) like i have been VERY tame as of late.
I have just felt deflated over the whole thing.
But its time to look at your shit, and figure out what you NEED, what you don't, and what makes you REALLY happy, and what the fuck you are gonna do to survive in lean times ... cause things REALLY could get FUBAR.

Have HOPE for Obama,
but have some sense of self preservation too!

eyedclaar

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I have dial-up. so can't check out the youtube. Are those pigs? I would love to raise pigs, but how much would it cost to butcher them?! If I could sell a pig to a local restaurant, and get some meat for myself it might be worth it.

Butcher them yourself for free!

eyedclaar

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I think this goes back to something AJ has been harping on endlessly with callers who have similar sentiments to your across the board.

YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PREPARE!
If they drop bombs on us tomorrow, or throw us in camps, or confiscate our gold, or if riots and looters run amuck ... YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT MAKES BEST SENSE and at the end of the day, MAN MUST DEFEND HIS RIGHTS.

Even if the zombie apocalypse comes,
all you can do is stock up on guns, and essentials... and pray to god!
I know yours is an innocent questions, but you touched a nerve with a sentiment i get tired of hearing all around me. If it isn't callers on the radio, or friends of mine, it is my own goddamn parents who never listened to my pleas to pull their money out of the market, and who now are stuck in paralysis, with thoughts like, "but if the market never comes back, what does it even matter?"

GET YOUR FUCKING DUCKS IN A ROW, FOLKS.
This is no goddamn bullshit!

I know (or at least i FEEL) like i have been VERY tame as of late.
I have just felt deflated over the whole thing.
But its time to look at your shit, and figure out what you NEED, what you don't, and what makes you REALLY happy, and what the fuck you are gonna do to survive in lean times ... cause things REALLY could get FUBAR.

Have HOPE for Obama,
but have some sense of self preservation too!

Don't worry about me, Drifting. I was just curious as to what others think and do. I know exactly where I'm going and what I'm taking. I'm an outdoor survivalist type dude who lives on the doorstep of the lower 48's biggest roadless wilderness and it's like my backyard.

I eat bugs on hiking trips. I'm ready!

_Crazy_Mary_

eyedclaar wrote:

Actually, living in the middle of nowhere might increase your chances of being robbed as people will be leaving the cities in a mass exodus and they'll be looking for food.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like you have a kick-ass place. I'm jealous.

oh yeah! And I have a private 4-acre lake with bass and blue gill, so I can eat fish, too!

Lizard

My Motto: God Will Provide!!!

eyedclaar

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

oh yeah! And I have a private 4-acre lake with bass and blue gill, so I can eat fish, too!

So, are you like filthy rich or what? I want a private lake! Could a forest ninja live on your property without you even knowing? Bear in mind, I am very sneaky...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I enjoyed the spoils of my first organic backyard crop this summer, lettuce, carrots, beets, tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, and bucket loads of raspberries. Like to add some smokable herb varieties to the mix

El_Kabong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I enjoyed the spoils of my first organic backyard crop this summer, lettuce, carrots, beets, tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, and bucket loads of raspberries. Like to add some smokable herb varieties to the mix

<sigh> wouldn't we all?

pghas

You know what's really bizarre about this entire thread? It is this exact type of fear-mongering in the wake of 9/11 that led to Americans as a group believing that the unthinkable is not only possible, but will happen, which led to the American people basically signing off on a long list of policies that curtailed our civil liberties, resulted in two ill-advised wars on foreign soil and helped bring us to where we are today. And now this economic fear mongering is doing the same thing. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - yeah, the mortgage market went bad, and yeah, huge, successful banks lost tons of money because of the securities they had that were tied to it. But over the long haul, those banks have actually been enormously successful and over the course of more years, probably would have continued to be. But suddenly everyone decides the end is nigh, pulls all their money out of said bank stocks and said banks, and decides that because we've hit a rough spot their money would be better served under their mattress. It's the same thing as all the real estate speculation. It's one thing - a smart thing - to anticipate that baby boomers are getting ready to retire and buy a bunch of condos in Florida and HOLD THEM until the actual demand arrives. It's another to try to flip those properties in 2 weeks like you're trading stocks. But that's why everyone's dumping it all now. And then it all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Aside from that, though, I find these "end of the world" threads a riot because usually the people who start them have a decidedly liberal slant on life and yet their tactics are no better - worse, in fact - than the conservatives who turned 9/11 into a reason to alter the fundamental structure of our international relations and personal freedoms. I recognize this is an economic crisis and you can rail all you want that the end is nigh and I don't see it and am therefore ignorant. But just recognize exactly what it is you're doing.

mammasan

pghas wrote:

You know what's really bizarre about this entire thread? It is this exact type of fear-mongering in the wake of 9/11 that led to Americans as a group believing that the unthinkable is not only possible, but will happen, which led to the American people basically signing off on a long list of policies that curtailed our civil liberties, resulted in two ill-advised wars on foreign soil and helped bring us to where we are today. And now this economic fear mongering is doing the same thing. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - yeah, the mortgage market went bad, and yeah, huge, successful banks lost tons of money because of the securities they had that were tied to it. But over the long haul, those banks have actually been enormously successful and over the course of more years, probably would have continued to be. But suddenly everyone decides the end is nigh, pulls all their money out of said bank stocks and said banks, and decides that because we've hit a rough spot their money would be better served under their mattress. It's the same thing as all the real estate speculation. It's one thing - a smart thing - to anticipate that baby boomers are getting ready to retire and buy a bunch of condos in Florida and HOLD THEM until the actual demand arrives. It's another to try to flip those properties in 2 weeks like you're trading stocks. But that's why everyone's dumping it all now. And then it all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Aside from that, though, I find these "end of the world" threads a riot because usually the people who start them have a decidedly liberal slant on life and yet their tactics are no better - worse, in fact - than the conservatives who turned 9/11 into a reason to alter the fundamental structure of our international relations and personal freedoms. I recognize this is an economic crisis and you can rail all you want that the end is nigh and I don't see it and am therefore ignorant. But just recognize exactly what it is you're doing.

I don't see it as an apocalyptic scenario, but more or less a failure of our banking and financial system, mainly the Fed. For years people have been warning us on how our economic policy and the FEd will end up hurting us in the long run and we failed to listen. Now that their prediction have come true, instead of realizing the mistakes that where made our government and the Fed continue to act in the same manner which got us here. So while this economic downturn may not be the end of the world, the manner in which it is being handled will only prop it back up temporarily till the next collapse which may be even worse. We need to stop manipulating the market to always provide favorable results and just let it run through it's natural cycles.