How bad will it get?

farfromglorified

offigo wrote:

A guy at work and a few reads on the internet are saying that this is it for the US, basically. He suggests that we collect non-perishables, keep any cash we can and get something to protect my self. The idea is that the Banks will collapse by the beginning of next year then all hell will break loose. I thought I was getting paranoid about going through "The great depression" (which of course I am) but these new rumors are freaking me out. Has any one heard these things, do you believe it is possible.

You're going to be ok. Banks will collapse. They collapsed yesterday. You're not a bank.

sponger

When you look at the numbers alone, it makes perfect sense that the whole world is headed for disaster. There's really no other way to look at it from a financial standpoint.

The collapse is literally a case of tens of trillions of dollars of the world's money being thrown into a furnace and disappearing forever.

That's the same thing as half of our economy just disappearing as though it never existed in the first place.

But, in situations like this, it's important to remember the very basics of how an economy survives: resources.

The United States is still a nation of vast resources and infrastructure. Without those two components, no economy can survive.

We've allowed our corporations to take their operations overseas, and before we knew it, we all became services providers instead of factory workers.

Other nations ended up with those jobs, and so their economies expanded, but their economies would not exist without American consumerism.

And that's why when all is said and done, it's going to come down to who's got more resources and more infrastructure.

Drowned Out

Driftin - I've seen you mention a past fascination with Terrance McKenna ...any thoughts on timewave zero and the novelty theory as it relates to a guy like Gerald Celente's predictions?
....You post a source that no one can refute, and I ask you to comment on McKenna....I'm not cointel, I swear

(maybe coulda been a pm, but I thought I'd give offigo a lil somethin more to chew on )

angelica

Drowned Out wrote:

Driftin - I've seen you mention a past fascination with Terrance McKenna ...any thoughts on timewave zero and the novelty theory as it relates to a guy like Gerald Celente's predictions?
....You post a source that no one can refute, and I ask you to comment on McKenna....I'm not cointel, I swear

(maybe coulda been a pm, but I thought I'd give offigo a lil somethin more to chew on )

speaking of which...another poster from this board, on myspace introduced me to this a week or two back:

"...a shaman is someone who has seen the end, and therefore is a trickster, because you don't worry if you've seen the end. If you know how it comes out you go back and you take your place in the play, and you let it all roll on without anxiety. " ~ Terrance McKenna

And this video is a great representation of what is to be for those of us who are aligned and in the moment, outside of the false structures (including time, itself):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xGN0bGkhk

Drowned Out

angelica wrote:

speaking of which...another poster from this board, on myspace introduced me to this a week or two back:

"...a shaman is someone who has seen the end, and therefore is a trickster, because you don't worry if you've seen the end. If you know how it comes out you go back and you take your place in the play, and you let it all roll on without anxiety. " ~ Terrance McKenna

And this video is a great representation of what is to be for those of us who are aligned and in the moment, outside of the false structures (including time, itself):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xGN0bGkhk

great quote
He always seemed (edited tense :( ) to try to portray his interpretation of what's to come in a positive light.

here comes the heavy....real change...yes we can


I better get my ass aligned.

sponger

All I know is that if things got that bad, I wouldn't hesitate to help someone in need regardless of their skin color, religious beliefs, or sexual preference.

I like to think that most people are no different, and may even in fact be even more enthusiastic about tolerance, self-sacrifice and a disregard for excess, but I have to wonder sometimes.

angelica

Drowned Out wrote:

great quote
He always seems to try to portray his interpretation of what's to come in a positive light.

here comes the heavy....real change...yes we can


I better get my ass aligned.

It's like the circle......................it represents Wholeness, Holism, Oneness....it represents Unity...It represents Infinity and Eternity....oh, yes, and it is the symbol that represents the feminine that exists in each and every one of us....the same aspects of our nature that we've been taught to repress, and due to doing so, we've become imbalanced to the degree that all our structures are perched precariously on imbalanced foundations.....The antidote of reclaiming those 'feminine' emotional and intuitive intelligences, and integrating them into a whole from within, and then integrating that without in Unity is fairly simple.... We skip from the old false tracks, no matter how deep the grooves are ingrained... and we experience a whole new world... in each timeless moment. It's Amazing. It's our birthright, and our evolution.


Peace

angelica

Drowned Out wrote:

great quote
here comes the heavy....real change...yes we can

Oh, and..........

Humour aside, you are right on, bro.

chiquimonkey

F that, i'm saving my money and learning french....the second shit starts going downhill i'm moving to europe. i love my country but i'm sure as hell ain't gonna sit around and wait for bedlam and starvation either

MattyJoe

offigo wrote:

A guy at work and a few reads on the internet are saying that this is it for the US, basically. He suggests that we collect non-perishables, keep any cash we can and get something to protect my self. The idea is that the Banks will collapse by the beginning of next year then all hell will break loose. I thought I was getting paranoid about going through "The great depression" (which of course I am) but these new rumors are freaking me out. Has any one heard these things, do you believe it is possible.

Nope. It will not happen. The economy will come back in a few months, it just takes some healing first.

sponger

chiquimonkey wrote:

F that, i'm saving my money and learning french....the second shit starts going downhill i'm moving to europe. i love my country but i'm sure as hell ain't gonna sit around and wait for bedlam and starvation either

What makes you think Europe will be any better off?

sponger

MattyJoe wrote:

Nope. It will not happen. The economy will come back in a few months, it just takes some healing first.

I think we'll be looking at 35-40% unemployment levels when the collapse finally runs its course.

This economic downturn is so fundamentally different from any before it that it really makes it hard to say that things will just work themselves after a few months.

LikeAnOcean

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"


The more you worry, the worse it will be.

The less you worry, the brighter your future will be.

Anon

Fear is the path to the dark side...

DriftingByTheStorm

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Man Who Predicted 1987 Stock Market Crash Predicts Food Riots, Tax Rebellion, and Revolution in America by 2012

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The man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash and the fall of the Soviet Union is now forecasting revolution in America, food riots and tax rebellions - all within four years, while cautioning that putting food on the table will be a more pressing concern than buying Christmas gifts by 2012.

Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is renowned for his accuracy in predicting future world and economic events, which will send a chill down your spine considering what he told Fox News this week.

Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

“We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”.

“America’s going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for,” said Celente, noting that people’s refusal to acknowledge that America was even in a recession highlights how big a problem denial is in being ready for the true scale of the crisis.




Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.


Celente, who successfully predicted the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis, the subprime mortgage collapse and the massive devaluation of the U.S. dollar, told UPI in November last year that the following year would be known as “The Panic of 2008,” adding that “giants (would) tumble to their deaths,” which is exactly what we have witnessed with the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and others. He also said that the dollar would eventually be devalued by as much as 90 per cent.

The consequence of what we have seen unfold this year would lead to a lowering in living standards, Celente predicted a year ago, which is also being borne out by plummeting retail sales figures.

The prospect of revolution was a concept echoed by a British Ministry of Defence report last year, which predicted that within 30 years, the growing gap between the super rich and the middle class, along with an urban underclass threatening social order would mean, “The world’s middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest,” and that, “The middle classes could become a revolutionary class.”

In a separate recent interview, Celente went further on the subject of revolution in America.

“There will be a revolution in this country,” he said. “It’s not going to come yet, but it’s going to come down the line and we’re going to see a third party and this was the catalyst for it: the takeover of Washington, D. C., in broad daylight by Wall Street in this bloodless coup. And it will happen as conditions continue to worsen.”


“The first thing to do is organize with tax revolts. That’s going to be the big one because people can’t afford to pay more school tax, property tax, any kind of tax. You’re going to start seeing those kinds of protests start to develop.”

“It’s going to be very bleak. Very sad. And there is going to be a lot of homeless, the likes of which we have never seen before. Tent cities are already sprouting up around the country and we’re going to see many more.”

“We’re going to start seeing huge areas of vacant real estate and squatters living in them as well. It’s going to be a picture the likes of which Americans are not going to be used to. It’s going to come as a shock and with it, there’s going to be a lot of crime. And the crime is going to be a lot worse than it was before because in the last 1929 Depression, people’s minds weren’t wrecked on all these modern drugs – over-the-counter drugs, or crystal meth or whatever it might be. So, you have a huge underclass of very desperate people with their minds chemically blown beyond anybody’s comprehension.”

The George Washington blog has compiled a list of quotes attesting to Celente’s accuracy as a trend forecaster.

“When CNN wants to know about the Top Trends, we ask Gerald Celente.”
— CNN Headline News

“A network of 25 experts whose range of specialties would rival many university faculties.”
— The Economist

“Gerald Celente has a knack for getting the zeitgeist right.”
— USA Today

“There’s not a better trend forecaster than Gerald Celente. The man knows what he’s talking about.”
- CNBC

“Those who take their predictions seriously … consider the Trends Research Institute.”
— The Wall Street Journal

“Gerald Celente is always ahead of the curve on trends and uncannily on the mark … he’s one of the most accurate forecasters around.”
— The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“Mr. Celente tracks the world’s social, economic and business trends for corporate clients.”
— The New York Times

“Mr. Celente is a very intelligent guy. We are able to learn about trends from an authority.”
— 48 Hours, CBS News

“Gerald Celente has a solid track record. He has predicted everything from the 1987 stock market crash and the demise of the Soviet Union to green marketing and corporate downsizing.”
— The Detroit News

“Gerald Celente forecast the 1987 stock market crash, ‘green marketing,’ and the boom in gourmet coffees.”
— Chicago Tribune

“The Trends Research Institute is the Standard and Poors of Popular Culture.”
— The Los Angeles Times

“If Nostradamus were alive today, he’d have a hard time keeping up with Gerald Celente.”
— New York Post

So there you have it - hardly a nutjob conspiracy theorist blowhard now is he? The price of not heeding his warnings will be far greater than the cost of preparing for the future now. Storable food and gold are two good places to make a start.

Gerald Celente is being interviewed today by Mr. Alex Jones.
you can listen to it live and in repeat at infowars.com ... and you can find it for torrent download off the forum page here after the episode finishes live broadcast (later tonight for this one) ...

so there you go.

enjoy the "fearmongering".


ALEX IS GETTING CELENTE ON RIGHT NOW -- 5PM EASTERN -- YOU CAN LISTEN RIGHT NOW LIVE.
HOUR LONG INTERVIEW!
He isn't on yet.
AJ just said, "go ahead and get Celente on the phone."
Just fyi.

DriftingByTheStorm

WOW.
This Celente guy (look up one post) is ON THE FUCKING MONEY!

He is talking the same shit everyone else "crazy" is talking, and he is doing it with style.

He is talking gold to $2000, "after the manipulations we're seeing now" ... and goes on to talk about massive market manipulations keeping prices where they are ...

and says that after that, and in februrary after a shitty christmas, we will start to REALLY understand the severity of this crisis.

"Bank holidays", and inability to withdraw your money in full. A NEW GOLD CONFISCATION!
WTF.

He says this is to be worse than the great depression.

He also has alluded to their being some possibilities for avoiding such a fate, but i have yet to hear him expound on the notion.

Hmm.

Oh. And he is DEAD SERIOUS about REVOLT and REVOLUTION.
He is saying tax and food revolts and riots. Mass revolution in the streets.
New third party AGAINST THE CENTRAL BANKERS.
He said that SPECIFICALY.

THIS GUY IS AWESOME.


PS. He says "he has been following" Alex "for years." and that "I admire your courage in a time when so many are afraid to do anything but toe the party line."

sweet adeline

That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and
snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world
serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed
it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, the Ladder
start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire
in a fire, representing seven games, and a government
for hire at a combat site. Left of west and coming in
a hurry with the furys breathing down your neck. Team
by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing. Fine, then. Uh oh,
overflow, population, common food, but it'll do to Save
yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic,
patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty
psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign
towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself
churn. Lock it in, uniforming, book burning, blood
letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a motive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no
fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament,
tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions,
offer me alternatives and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I dreamt of knives, continental
drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard
Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester
Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You
symbiotic, patriotic, slam bug net, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel
fine...fine...

offigo

"He also has alluded to their being some possibilities for avoiding such a fate, but i have yet to hear him expound on the notion.

Hmm."


It would be nice to know that part. Everytime I turn around people are having gold parties, where you bring your gold to sell. I thought it kinda strange.

Flannel Shirt

i have posted this a few times. i have the solution to this problem. all our the governments of the world have to do is listen to Flannel Shirt. i am not shitting you.

goverment backed debt CONSOLIDATION loans/programs/whatever you want to call them. EVERYONE QUALIFIES.

the banks get paid (they are anyway, so it had might as well benefit the people), people will be out of unaffordable debt (longer repayment terms equals afforadable payments), credit scores will rise again, banks will start lending again because people can afford it now and they will have the cash, and the governments will get their money back in interest.

its as simple as that. it really is. sure, its a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR "bailout", but its a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR bailout that solves the peoples problems and the banks problems.

yahamita

chiquimonkey wrote:

F that, i'm saving my money and learning french....the second shit starts going downhill i'm moving to europe. i love my country but i'm sure as hell ain't gonna sit around and wait for bedlam and starvation either

WE WE , Chiqui! I agree with you sister! However, after researching moving to Canada when shit hits the fan, you have to prove that you were unable to get a job in your own country before they will hire you. Its a huge ordeal. Good to see there are some folks out there not acting like herded cattle following the masses, who can actually see this coming and plan ahead. Im tired of people asking me what I'm smokin, is there another conspiracy theory developing in my head..HELL NO! I'm smoking the good green until I can no longer afford it in this economy. Wake up people, America is about to get their CHANGE!!! But wait...I have another idea,,why doesn't the Gov't give ea American a million dollars?!?!?! That way the economy is stimulated, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than any bailout!