This should start a nice debate about our drug laws...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

frusciante89 wrote:

I totally agree the dude must have been baked out of his mind going 100 when you have shit in your car. I drive like an old women if I smoke then drive but its just usually a 2 minute drive to taco bell for chalupas

rofl...how true this is

cruising at 100 and packing? Russian roulette.

what a tard...

know1

Pacomc79 wrote:

I find it a gross waste of taxpayer money and prison space to lock up non violent drug offenders.

Treatment and education are a much more effective method of prevention.

Should we extend that leniency to all offenders of non-violent crimes, or just the drug users?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Pacomc79 wrote:

I find it a gross waste of taxpayer money and prison space to lock up non violent drug offenders.

Treatment and education are a much more effective method of prevention.

In the current environment of drugging ones kids from birth, I'm suprised it's not even more common.

20,000 bail is also ridiculous. 5K is more than enough to prevent a normal person from blowing off the court.


Honestly I've yet to discover why pot is illegal while it's perfectly legal to smoke tobacco in ones car even while driving. (well other than the obvious special interest lobby groups) Neither one impair you all that severely as they both essentially relax the user. I'm more concerned with the lack of attention placed on driving while one is smoking rather than the particular weed they happen to be puffing on.

Yeah what's up with that? The set bails I'm reading about lately are I-N-S-A-N-E!

As to the driving high thing...you get lightweights and first timers (or no timers) that think other people are crazy as they can only use their own brain as a reference. Those are the ones that usually seem to voice any significant pinion over it.

When do I drive my best? Stone cold sober and well rested. Does pot make me a dangerous driver...hell no. Is it that way for everyone...probably/definitely not.

Would I prefer everyone drives sober and alert?...yes.

Pacomc79

know1 wrote:

Should we extend that leniency to all offenders of non-violent crimes, or just the drug users?

I'm pretty much cool with that really, I'd rather see a harder influence on real, productive community service and severe fines placed on your average white collar crime.

Road clean up, feeding the homeless etc... should be performed by non violent criminals. Sitting in jail does them no good and it does society no good.

The fines should discourage theft and fraud because the penalty should be very harsh monitarily, add that to huge amounts of community servitude, and that's an effective prevention. My idea is that if you are going to take someones time and freedom away because they have acted poorly, make it at least productive. Not only that, say they end up working on a habitat house or something to that effect, when they finish thier servitude, they have something they have accomplished, that they can be proud of, rather than sit in prison and waste time.

If they are too violent to act in society, then we lock them away from it.

know1

Pacomc79 wrote:

I'm pretty much cool with that really, I'd rather see a harder influence on real, productive community service and severe fines placed on your average white collar crime.

Road clean up, feeding the homeless etc... should be performed by non violent criminals. Sitting in jail does them no good and it does society no good.

The fines should discourage theft and fraud because the penalty should be very harsh monitarily, add that to huge amounts of community servitude, and that's an effective prevention. My idea is that if you are going to take someones time and freedom away because they have acted poorly, make it at least productive. Not only that, say they end up working on a habitat house or something to that effect, when they finish thier servitude, they have something they have accomplished, that they can be proud of, rather than sit in prison and waste time.

If they are too violent to act in society, then we lock them away from it.

I can see that. At a glance, it sounds reasonable.

blackredyellow

He should be cited for speeding and if he was under the influence of weed or alcohol, then he should be charge for that.

Jail time is stupid though... while a fine wouldn't be much of a hardship for him or his family, if he is guilty then he should have to pay a fine and serve some type of community service as punishment.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

just another ignorant pothead getting behind the wheel of a car and jeopardizing the lives of others.....

i hope the pothead gets prison time........

callen

know1 wrote:

Should we extend that leniency to all offenders of non-violent crimes, or just the drug users?

lets then say victimless instead of non-violent. better?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

just another ignorant pothead getting behind the wheel of a car and jeopardizing the lives of others.....

i hope the pothead gets prison time........

whhhee...smoke a joint...get laid

baraka

I notice all the emphasis is on the marijuana, but what about the Xanax, Valium, Vicodin?

know1

callen wrote:

lets then say victimless instead of non-violent. better?

Not for me. I don't think anything we do in life is victimless.

surferdude

even flow? wrote:

With a name like sufer"dude", I would have thought that you may have tried a puff here and there. And been able to know the difference and not just spew what the law can tell me.

I am 100% for legalizing and taxing the shit out of pot. But I am vehemently against it without an easy to administer driving under the influence or impaired test. It surprises me when seemingly intelligent people say things like "but I've been doing in for XX years and never crashed", or "but perscription drugs are allowed" or "but I drive like an old grannie". If getting baked makes you drive like an old grannie then you fucking are impaired and stay off the roads.

When people as a group show the want to take zero, absolutely zero fuckin' responsibility for their actions all the while crying about how unfair the law is, well I have no sympathy, none. The drug war on pot is a waste of money, it does help to fuel organized crime. But I'd rather that than every pot smoker think it's alegal, moral and responsible thing to do to get baked, get behind the wheel and drive out the Springfield to see where the Simpsons are made.

PJPOWER

baraka wrote:

I notice all the emphasis is on the marijuana, but what about the Xanax, Valium, Vicodin?

That can only be explained by lack of education. People can only throw up what they've been fed, right?

Eliot Rosewater

surferdude wrote:

Lock him up. I want anyone driving 100 mph while impaired locked up.

Assuming he was impaired then I'd agree. But since it didn't say he was impaired then I'll stick by the old "innocent until proven guilty" thing. So I'll assume he wasn't impaired for now. The high speeds is far worse than drug possession IMO. He should absolutely punished for driving 100 mph. That's just ridiculous. The roads are dangerous enough without that kind of speed.

Eliot Rosewater

baraka wrote:

I notice all the emphasis is on the marijuana, but what about the Xanax, Valium, Vicodin?

The emphasis should really be on the fact that he was probably close to doubling the speed limit. Certainly more innocent people are killed by car accidents than by the use of marijuana, Xanax, Valium and Vicodin combined.

PJPOWER

surferdude wrote:

I am 100% for legalizing and taxing the shit out of pot. But I am vehemently against it without an easy to administer driving under the influence or impaired test. It surprises me when seemingly intelligent people say things like "but I've been doing in for XX years and never crashed", or "but perscription drugs are allowed" or "but I drive like an old grannie". If getting baked makes you drive like an old grannie then you fucking are impaired and stay off the roads.

When people as a group show the want to take zero, absolutely zero fuckin' responsibility for their actions all the while crying about how unfair the law is, well I have no sympathy, none. The drug war on pot is a waste of money, it does help to fuel organized crime. But I'd rather that than every pot smoker think it's alegal, moral and responsible thing to do to get baked, get behind the wheel and drive out the Springfield to see where the Simpsons are made.

Driving on the highway while stoned is a scary thing, don't do it. Driving go-carts while stoned is fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun.

baraka

don't gimme no wrote:

The emphasis should really be on the fact that he was probably close to doubling the speed limit. Certainly more innocent people are killed by car accidents than by the use of marijuana, Xanax, Valium and Vicodin combined.

I asked the question simply because many here seem to be up in arms about the possibility this guy was driving under the influence marijuana just because some was found in his vehicle. Xanax, Valium, Vicodin were also found and these medications are far more dangerous than marijuana.

surferdude

baraka wrote:

I asked the question simply because many here seem to be up in arms about the possibility this guy was driving under the influence marijuana just because some was found in his vehicle. Xanax, Valium, Vicodin were also found and these medications are far more dangerous than marijuana.

I don't care the cause of the possible impairment, if impaired I'm fine with jail time.

Eliot Rosewater

baraka wrote:

I asked the question simply because many here seem to be up in arms about the possibility this guy was driving under the influence marijuana just because some was found in his vehicle. Xanax, Valium, Vicodin were also found and these medications are far more dangerous than marijuana.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I just believe driving 100mph is more dangerous than all of the above.

PJPOWER

don't gimme no wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I just believe driving 100mph is more dangerous than all of the above.

I agree, isn't there an "attempted manslaughter" charge or something that can get stuck on people driving that far over the speed limit?