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Would it be possible ....

hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
... to have one Free Will thread, and carry on endless debates about free will there, and then all the other threads on the board wouldn't wind up being about the same damn thing?

It's just an idea.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Tell Ahnimus that. Frankly, I could give a shit whether I have free will or not.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    ... to have one Free Will thread, and carry on endless debates about free will there, and then all the other threads on the board wouldn't wind up being about the same damn thing?

    It's just an idea.

    Sorry, it just kind of happens that way "The Astonishing Hypothesis" was actually about the book titled "The Astonishing Hypothesis" but it got changed into a discussion about Free-will. I guess no one has read the book.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    The importance of free-will topic is immense though. All of our discussion here are dependent on the concept of free-will and wether we have it or not.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The importance of free-will topic is immense though. All of our discussion here are dependent on the concept of free-will and wether we have it or not.
    I understand that it's very important to some of you ... hell, I found it to be a very interesting debate at first, but when I come here and there's 3 or 4 or 5 different threads all discussing essentially the same thing, and as near as I can tell the conversation doesn't seem to be progressing at all, it starts to get a bit old.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    ... to have one Free Will thread, and carry on endless debates about free will there, and then all the other threads on the board wouldn't wind up being about the same damn thing?

    It's just an idea.

    There is no choice in the matter. It is determined that we all must endure this endless debate for all of eternity. :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There is no choice in the matter. It is determined that we all must endure this endless debate for all of eternity. :D


    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! :p
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There is no choice in the matter. It is determined that we all must endure this endless debate for all of eternity. :D
    LMFAO!!!

    :D

    Thank you for that ... now I can leave work with a smile on my face :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    LMFAO!!!

    :D

    Thank you for that ... now I can leave work with a smile on my face :)

    My pleasure :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    I understand that it's very important to some of you ... hell, I found it to be a very interesting debate at first, but when I come here and there's 3 or 4 or 5 different threads all discussing essentially the same thing, and as near as I can tell the conversation doesn't seem to be progressing at all, it starts to get a bit old.

    Can you see from my perspective how every topic here can be distorted by the illusion of free-will? Topics of religion, God, after-life, Heaven, Hell, none of it exists without free-will. Moral responsibility is also a hot topic when free-will is non-existent. How can you hate a man that commits a crime, when he did not have the free-will to choose otherwise?

    The discussions here about the middle-east. If you take free-will out of it, you see that neither side is at fault. Everything becomes amazingly clear and calm when the illusion of free-will is gone. That's why it is so important. I cannot go to a thread where someone says "That sick bastard" or "Idiots" or "It's the kid's fault" or anything of that sort, because they are all lies built on the illusion of free-will. That illusion is so fundamental to the prevailing patterns of thought and behavior, it just can't be ignored. Above all topics, it is by far the most important.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The importance of free-will topic is immense though. All of our discussion here are dependent on the concept of free-will and wether we have it or not.

    no it isnt. and the discussions are only dependent on that concept if you're blindly obsessed with the idea as you are.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I have free will
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can you see from my perspective how every topic here can be distorted by the illusion of free-will?

    yes, from your perspective. but not everyone else shares that perspective and you're not convincing anyone so it's really obnoxious and annoying to keep turning every thread on here into one of your sermons.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can you see from my perspective how every topic here can be distorted by the illusion of free-will? Topics of religion, God, after-life, Heaven, Hell, none of it exists without free-will. Moral responsibility is also a hot topic when free-will is non-existent. How can you hate a man that commits a crime, when he did not have the free-will to choose otherwise?

    The discussions here about the middle-east. If you take free-will out of it, you see that neither side is at fault. Everything becomes amazingly clear and calm when the illusion of free-will is gone. That's why it is so important. I cannot go to a thread where someone says "That sick bastard" or "Idiots" or "It's the kid's fault" or anything of that sort, because they are all lies built on the illusion of free-will. That illusion is so fundamental to the prevailing patterns of thought and behavior, it just can't be ignored. Above all topics, it is by far the most important.

    Ryan, I admire the way you think and your thirst for knowledge. Some of us, though, just like to discuss issues and relate our opinions. I'm sure you can see that, can't you?
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can you see from my perspective how every topic here can be distorted by the illusion of free-will? Topics of religion, God, after-life, Heaven, Hell, none of it exists without free-will. Moral responsibility is also a hot topic when free-will is non-existent. How can you hate a man that commits a crime, when he did not have the free-will to choose otherwise?

    The discussions here about the middle-east. If you take free-will out of it, you see that neither side is at fault. Everything becomes amazingly clear and calm when the illusion of free-will is gone. That's why it is so important. I cannot go to a thread where someone says "That sick bastard" or "Idiots" or "It's the kid's fault" or anything of that sort, because they are all lies built on the illusion of free-will. That illusion is so fundamental to the prevailing patterns of thought and behavior, it just can't be ignored. Above all topics, it is by far the most important.
    Good lord, what have I done?!!?!

    I'VE CREATED ANOTHER FREE WILL THREAD!!!

    Arghhhhhhhhhh.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    no it isnt. and the discussions are only dependent on that concept if you're blindly obsessed with the idea as you are.

    That is absolutely ridiculous Soulsinging.

    Remember the topic of pedophilia. Oh yeah, didn't you say that it's a choice, rotten people choose from their own free-will to abuse children? Then you realized that it's not a choice and real physical things affect wether or not a person is a pedophile? It is absolutely ignorant beyond belief to suggest that any choice is made of free-will. If you actually look into it, you can see, beyond a shadow of a doubt that choices are dependent on other things. In terms of pedophilia this has a major impact. In terms of everything it has major impact.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    cutback wrote:
    Ryan, I admire the way you think and your thirst for knowledge. Some of us, though, just like to discuss issues and relate our opinions. I'm sure you can see that, can't you?

    Be my guest, that's all I'm doing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That is absolutely ridiculous Soulsinging.

    Remember the topic of pedophilia. Oh yeah, didn't you say that it's a choice, rotten people choose from their own free-will to abuse children? Then you realized that it's not a choice and real physical things affect wether or not a person is a pedophile? It is absolutely ignorant beyond belief to suggest that any choice is made of free-will. If you actually look into it, you can see, beyond a shadow of a doubt that choices are dependent on other things. In terms of pedophilia this has a major impact. In terms of everything it has major impact.
    And you can say that and leave it at that, without a handful of people going round and round and round and winding up debating, YET AGAIN, whether or not we have free will.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That is absolutely ridiculous Soulsinging.

    Remember the topic of pedophilia. Oh yeah, didn't you say that it's a choice, rotten people choose from their own free-will to abuse children? Then you realized that it's not a choice and real physical things affect wether or not a person is a pedophile? It is absolutely ignorant beyond belief to suggest that any choice is made of free-will. If you actually look into it, you can see, beyond a shadow of a doubt that choices are dependent on other things. In terms of pedophilia this has a major impact. In terms of everything it has major impact.

    no, i never said it was a choice. ive studied paraphilias. dont break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back for converting me buddy.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    And you can say that and leave it at that, without a handful of people going round and round and round and winding up debating, YET AGAIN, whether or not we have free will.

    Why the hell are these people here?

    Why are you here if you just want to spit out your opinion? Not read facts, not consider anything, just use circular reasoning to explain that which you cannot explain. Ask a question like "Why do people do this?" and then expect no answer, or ignore the answer because you dislike it. What is even the point? Ventilation of frustration? There are better ways of handling frustration than directing it at someone else when you fully understand the cause of the frustration.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, i never said it was a choice. ive studied paraphilias. dont break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back for converting me buddy.

    Ok, you just didn't know any of the statistical data.

    I'm certainly not patting myself on the back over it. I don't take pride in my accomplishments.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, you just didn't know any of the statistical data.

    I'm certainly not patting myself on the back over it. I don't take pride in my accomplishments.

    point being, you're not convincing anyone. so let it go. you can talk about iraq policy without discussing free will.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    hippiemom wrote:
    Good lord, what have I done?!!?!

    I'VE CREATED ANOTHER FREE WILL THREAD!!!

    Arghhhhhhhhhh.
    LOL!!!
    :D:D:D
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    point being, you're not convincing anyone. so let it go. you can talk about iraq policy without discussing free will.

    I don't think so. Why don't you discuss Iraq policy without blaming independent will?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There is no choice in the matter. It is determined that we all must endure this endless debate for all of eternity. :D


    Ha ha! Very nice, Abook!!
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't think so. Why don't you discuss Iraq policy without blaming independent will?

    i dont even know what you're talking about. i dont mention will anytime i discuss iraq policy. i talk about government policy.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    i dont even know what you're talking about. i dont mention will anytime i discuss iraq policy. i talk about government policy.

    Choice is at the foundation of the conflict.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't take pride in my accomplishments.

    Hehe...."my accomplishments"....
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There is no choice in the matter. It is determined that we all must endure this endless debate for all of eternity. :D

    Hah! Well done, abook.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...."my accomplishments"....

    Here you go picking at words again when you know what I mean.

    I'm not going to recite the dictionary to you every time I make a statement. Use your brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Here you go picking at words again when you know what I mean.

    What you mean is self-esteem without achievement. What you mean is pride without self-esteem. What you mean is contradictory. The very fact that you would even say "my accomplishment" demonstrates that you don't believe your own philosophy. You could never take credit for something as "mine", and furthermore you've destroyed even the meaning of "accomplishment" since that implies goals, values, virtues and choice.
    I'm not going to recite the dictionary to you every time I make a statement. Use your brain.

    God, this is priceless. How would I "use my brain", Ahnimus? Don't you have to probe me or something for that?
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