Christian Domestic Discipline

hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
I myself am speechless, but I'm sure this will generate some amusing comments from the rest of you :D

Wife-Spanking 101: Neither parody nor porn

What if your wife, even after graduating the prestigious homemaking course at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary with a degree in ladylike submission, still won't behave? Uber-conservative Christian patriarchs everywhere now have a solution!

Give her a good spanking. For how to incorporate this into your marriage, see the "Christian Domestic Discipline" site. Unlike the Baptists for Brownback campaign Jen wrote about awhile ago, this site appears to be legit. Not a parody.

"A Christian Domestic Discipline marriage is one that is set up according to Biblical standards; that is, the husband is the authority in the household. The wife is submissive to her husband as is fit in the Lord and her husband loves her as himself. He has the ultimate authority in his household, but it is tempered with the knowledge that he must answer to God for his actions and decisions. He has the authority to spank his wife for punishment, but in real CDD marriages this is taken very seriously and usually happens only rarely. CDD is so much more than just spanking. It is the husband loving the wife enough to guide and teach her, and the wife loving the husband enough to follow his leadership. A Christian marriage embodies true romance and a Christian man a true hero."

This is billed as completely consensual, with it made clear that "the husband has authority to spank the wife. The wife does not have authority to spank her husband." The site was created by wife-spankers who were sick of stumbling upon porn when they searched for other like-minded folks online. Lest you become confused that the CDD site is a BDSM site with a Christian spin, they're sure to reiterate that this is about adhering to Biblical gender roles -- not about sexual pleasure. Unless you get off on asserting your patriarchy by slapping your property ... um, I mean, wife. Not an unheard-of phenomenon, as the site acknowledges:

"Though we recognize by its very nature this subject can be erotic, we will keep this website as clean and wholesome as possible. However, we will not seek to deny the erotic nature of some CDD marriages as we believe it is a natural consequence of following God's plan. After all, He created eroticism to be enjoyed inside a Christian marriage."

But what if sometimes your wife doesn't want to be spanked? Well, let's not use an inconvenient phrase like "domestic violence" or "spousal abuse." Nah, "non-consensual CDD" would be more appropriate, really. And the site basically says that it's a man's god-given right to hit his wife, even if those pesky laws against domestic violence get in the way.

"Non-consensual CDD: Though we believe the Bible gives a husband the authority to use spanking as one tool in enforcing his authority in the home with or without his wife's permission, in today's world we recognize the legality that mandates that all CDD must be consensual. Therefore we will do not condone nonconsensual CDD as a rule."

How progressive of them!

Lynn at Broadsheet delved into the blogs linked on the site, which are just so sad. One blogger, a woman named Debbie, has decided having her husband hit her is a cheap and effective weight-loss strategy. She recounts being beaten for accidentally leaving the stove burner on, and writes, "I felt my stomach drop when I saw my husband bring out a heavy belt." She continues,

"I am not abused nor capable of being abused. I imagine that if one of you raging feminist find yourself beaten by a man you had better hope Leah or I (or someone of like mind) comes along to beat the stuffing out of him for you. I know I'm capable and from reading I sort of believe Leah is as well. My submission is quite voluntary."

I'm not saying all wife-spanking is analogous to domestic abuse. The blogs and the site make clear that this is a lifestyle chosen (how freely chosen is another question...) by women themselves. One writes on the site, "We practice CDD-lite in our home as it is a concept that I have brought to my husband and one that he is still getting comfortable with."

Of course, that's less disturbing than "non-consensual CDD," but still thoroughly depressing. As Lynn writes, "violence at home -- 'consensual' or otherwise -- is by no means unique to these particular fundamentalists; abusers and victims can find plenty of justification for their actions without distorting Scripture." And I agree with her that seeing it put in such plain terms on this site and in these blogs is really, really troubling.

On a much, much lighter note, the site also features a store... which sells crotchless pantaloons. For the traditionalist Christian who's not quite into Frederick's of Hollywood, but finds the Laura Ingalls Wilder look totally hot.

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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Wow. Wacky fundies create another comic tragedy. Hopefully it gives their god a good chuckle.

    It's probably good practice for them - learn some techniques they can use on their children.

    Spankings in the name of god. What will those crazy kids think of next?

    And their protestations notwithstanding, I'm sure the man of the family sports wood while metering out the firm-handed discipline.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Wow.

    If that wasn't real it'd be hilarious.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I wonder if these people can find America on a map?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if these people can find America on a map?

    No time for geography when there's ass slapping to be done! The lord's work always comes first.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jeffbr wrote:
    Wow. Wacky fundies create another comic tragedy. Hopefully it gives their god a good chuckle.

    It's probably good practice for them - learn some techniques they can use on their children.

    Spankings in the name of god. What will those crazy kids think of next?

    And their protestations notwithstanding, I'm sure the man of the family sports wood while metering out the firm-handed discipline.
    Oh, you know it!

    I mean, it's not my thing, but whatever ... the only two words I need to hear are "consenting adults" and I'm cool with pretty much anything people want to do with one another. It just cracks me up that they have to dress their kink in religion. Kinda makes me sad for the submissive Christian men out there though ... I don't think they're going to be able to find any bible passages to ease their poor little consciences after their whippings.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    spanking huh? finally...along comes something could possibly make this godless heathen turn christian. ;):D:D
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  • Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if these people can find America on a map?


    lmao..where the fuck in the universe are we? ..Oh yeah a speck right here...in a solar system so unique the exo-planets have absorbed (and continue to absorb) all the big potential impacts to get us to this stage unabated .. the bible made me forget and think pipe dreams there for a second...

    phew..reality check...

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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    damn Christians....why do they have to come along and pervert another fun past time? :)
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Just because someone attaches the word "Christian" to something, doesn't mean that it's really a Christian concept.

    I often believe that sometimes people who truly oppose Christianity start these things and label them as Christian just to create a backlash against religion.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    Just because someone attaches the word "Christian" to something, doesn't mean that it's really a Christian concept.

    I often believe that sometimes people who truly oppose Christianity start these things and label them as Christian just to create a backlash against religion.

    Like a conspiracy?

    These people are most likely christians and they do think it's a Christian concept, whatever that it.

    That's the thing about religion, all these christian groups disagree with each other and they can all cite verses from the bible to prove they are right. That doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

    But the old "but that's not a "real" christian" is a cop-out.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Legal spousal abuse? Niice! And we laugh at the Muslim ladies for their vails and traditions.
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  • I'm convinced that guys who are in marriages like this and portray/promote this lifestyle are the same ones who are involved in the underground S/M culture where they go to get dominated to make up for their everyday lives.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    Just because someone attaches the word "Christian" to something, doesn't mean that it's really a Christian concept.

    I often believe that sometimes people who truly oppose Christianity start these things and label them as Christian just to create a backlash against religion.

    Well then either she should have edited it so we could not tell that this is done in the name of Christianity or she should have not posted it. I'll go with the latter. I propose a new rule. No posting anything negative that Christians have done. There is an image to uphold, people.
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  • know1 wrote:
    Just because someone attaches the word "Christian" to something, doesn't mean that it's really a Christian concept.

    I often believe that sometimes people who truly oppose Christianity start these things and label them as Christian just to create a backlash against religion.

    But the vagueness of the bible and the vastly different interpretations of the religion make this as much of a "christian concept" (at least to those people who practice it) as anything else. Without wading too far into the normal divisive subjects around here, liberal christians may view acceptance of gays, or environmentally-friendly things as christian concepts, but more orthodox christians don't.
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  • Well, between this and the "purity balls" that fathers have for their daughters, I'd say the avg. christian patriarch has everything under control. Lets be honest, there's only 2 things a woman should ever see - the floor and the ceiling. And even then, only in due course.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    But the vagueness of the bible and the vastly different interpretations of the religion make this as much of a "christian concept" (at least to those people who practice it) as anything else. Without wading too far into the normal divisive subjects around here, liberal christians may view acceptance of gays, or environmentally-friendly things as christian concepts, but more orthodox christians don't.

    At least you're acknowledging there's a difference.
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  • The only thing I encountered lately that is wierder than this is the religious cult in England that takes Ned Flanders as the model of how they should behave. That in itself would not be so unusual, but they are required to dress like Ned. Harry Shearer talked about this on his recent appearence on Inside the Actor's Studio. This is still way more strange. It almost sounds like it could come from the movie A Boy and His Dog.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    even flow? wrote:
    Legal spousal abuse? Niice! And we laugh at the Muslim ladies for their vails and traditions.

    I think they're wacky, too. I'm equal opportunity when it comes to my distain for fundamentalism.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    even flow? wrote:
    Legal spousal abuse? Niice! And we laugh at the Muslim ladies for their vails and traditions.
    The Muslims (the ones living in countries under Islamic law, anyway) don't say it's consensual and part of a loving relationship of equals. They come right out and say "She's my property, and I'll beat her." I'm sure there are also Christian men (and Hindu men and atheist men and so on) who wife-beaters plain and simple too. Not these guys and their wives though ... this is pure kink, BDSM through and through, dressed up in Bible garb. That's what makes it so hilarious.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    well now at least we know why juberoo is always so angry...
  • well now at least we know why juberoo is always so angry...

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  • QuarterToTenQuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,642
    hippiemom wrote:
    It just cracks me up that they have to dress their kink in religion.

    exactly. and a thinly veiled attempt at that.
    quite a common occurence amongst religious fanatics apparently.

    wow.
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    hippiemom wrote:
    I myself am speechless, but I'm sure this will generate some amusing comments from the rest of you :D

    I'm still pissed they got the right to vote!

    ;)
  • But the vagueness of the bible and the vastly different interpretations of the religion make this as much of a "christian concept" (at least to those people who practice it) as anything else. Without wading too far into the normal divisive subjects around here, liberal christians may view acceptance of gays, or environmentally-friendly things as christian concepts, but more orthodox christians don't.
    not true.

    of course i can't prove that to you, unless you'd really hear what i have to say. the bible never praises homosexuality in any way.... many people just use the bible for their own benefit and make it mean certain things that support their lifestyles. others say that it's hard to understand so it's widely open to interpretation... and i can understand that concept, to a certain degree though. the bible is fairly undersandable... if you and i were to read the bible together, i'd assure you, through common sense and discussion we can come to agree about it's teachings.... not that we'll agree, per se, in the teachings, but rather agree that it means the same thing.

    i've heard many pentecostals discuss with many trinitarians and baptists about baptism.... pentecostals baptize in "jesus name" as opposed to baptists and trinitarians, they baptize in the "name of the father, son and holy spirit" you can say, "see, all religions disagree." but if you hear them discuss these things, a pentecostal will say, "the apostles and disciples of jesus all baptized in the name of jesus christ. where do you come up with the idea that we should baptize in the name of the father, the son and holy spirit." a baptist, or trinitarian would say, "you're absolutely right. but it's become a part of the tradition. frankly, we wouldn't want to change it."

    i know i'm going out of topic here, but i'm just showing you how many people know for certain that they're not using the scriptures strictly as it's written. that's why there's all these confusions between different denominations. it's really not that complicated when you look into it. but of course not like you care.
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  • Collin wrote:
    Like a conspiracy?

    These people are most likely christians and they do think it's a Christian concept, whatever that it.

    That's the thing about religion, all these christian groups disagree with each other and they can all cite verses from the bible to prove they are right. That doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

    But the old "but that's not a "real" christian" is a cop-out.
    that's true.

    but i bet you that these folks who support spanking their wives wouldn't find a single scripture to prove they should. these guys are nuts.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    not true.

    of course i can't prove that to you, unless you'd really hear what i have to say. the bible never praises homosexuality in any way.... many people just use the bible for their own benefit and make it mean certain things that support their lifestyles. others say that it's hard to understand so it's widely open to interpretation... and i can understand that concept, to a certain degree though. the bible is fairly undersandable... if you and i were to read the bible together, i'd assure you, through common sense and discussion we can come to agree about it's teachings.... not that we'll agree, per se, in the teachings, but rather agree that it means the same thing.

    i've heard many pentecostals discuss with many trinitarians and baptists about baptism.... pentecostals baptize in "jesus name" as opposed to baptists and trinitarians, they baptize in the "name of the father, son and holy spirit" you can say, "see, all religions disagree." but if you hear them discuss these things, a pentecostal will say, "the apostles and disciples of jesus all baptized in the name of jesus christ. where do you come up with the idea that we should baptize in the name of the father, the son and holy spirit." a baptist, or trinitarian would say, "you're absolutely right. but it's become a part of the tradition. frankly, we wouldn't want to change it."

    i know i'm going out of topic here, but i'm just showing you how many people know for certain that they're not using the scriptures strictly as it's written. that's why there's all these confusions between different denominations. it's really not that complicated when you look into it. but of course not like you care.

    and I can't help but get the feeling that "Lord" and "God" are two separate beings, sometimes. I also can't help but wonder about the "wrath" and "righteous anger" of God, who wants to smash us like pottery when "He" is angry.

    That being said, I love a good spanking from my man now and then. Especially when I'm wearing my black garter belt and stockings.
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  • Bu2 wrote:
    and I can't help but get the feeling that "Lord" and "God" are two separate beings, sometimes. I also can't help but wonder about the "wrath" and "righteous anger" of God, who wants to smash us like pottery when "He" is angry.

    That being said, I love a good spanking from my man now and then. Especially when I'm wearing my black garter belt and stockings.
    everything you said has nothing to do with what i said.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    everything you said has nothing to do with what i said.

    mean it to.
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  • Bu2 wrote:
    mean it to.
    oh ok
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  • I prefer over the knee panties on...slight blushing of the bottom...nothing too extreme..but none too easy either ;)
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