universal health care for U.S.

onelongsong

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I don't really buy that argument. Based on the premium cost that blackredyellow gave he pays more for health insurance than I do for income tax (and my income taxes cover more than just health care).

but is your population equal to the us? is your income over $60K or $100K? if you make $25K/year; it's a great deal for you. how are your businesses taxed? how many unemployed people do you have that don't contribute anything? there are many factors that most people don't see. if my business is taxed by profits; i won't show any profits. i do that every tax season. when i take a holiday; i talk to someone about buffalo meat and write the trip off as a business trip. in 2006 i bought a 1 ton truck to knock $50K off my profits then depreciate it every year. i'll reinvest in more land or more buffalo. there's so many loopholes that a million dollar business can come out looking like it breaks almost even.
my state; nevada; doesn't tax people or businesses. so the federal government will have to go about this alone.

i just don't see it happening. what ever happened to hillarycare from the 90's?

Kel Varnsen

onelongsong wrote:

but is your population equal to the us? is your income over $60K or $100K? if you make $25K/year; it's a great deal for you. how are your businesses taxed? how many unemployed people do you have that don't contribute anything? there are many factors that most people don't see. if my business is taxed by profits; i won't show any profits. i do that every tax season. when i take a holiday; i talk to someone about buffalo meat and write the trip off as a business trip. in 2006 i bought a 1 ton truck to knock $50K off my profits then depreciate it every year. i'll reinvest in more land or more buffalo. there's so many loopholes that a million dollar business can come out looking like it breaks almost even.
my state; nevada; doesn't tax people or businesses. so the federal government will have to go about this alone.

i just don't see it happening. what ever happened to hillarycare from the 90's?

Wow with that many loopholes it is no wonder the US runs massive deficits every year.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

it'll never happen in the us. those with money control the government and we'll never stand for the high taxes. let the poor work like we had to.

read the bold print in post #35. in fact read the whole post.

mookie blaylock 10

jlew24asu wrote:

fuck no. worst idea ever. standing in long lines. not being able to choose who I go to. higher taxes. tons of red tape. fuck that fuck that fuck that.

ever been to the DMV?

you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. perhaps this is the problem with many americans when it comes to this issue. they don't understand how things actually work outside their own country.

you can choose where you go. you do pay tax. there's no red tape. show your health card and you're in. simple.

mammasan

Yay in the sense that I would love to see every individual in this countryhave to ability to obtain affordable healthcare coverage. Nay in the sense that i do not want our federal government within a 1,000 miles of providing healthcare coverage to the people.

mookie blaylock 10

gabers wrote:

I was watching a documentary recently and a man from Germany was being interviewed. He revealed that he made around 40,000 euros a year and paid less in taxes than the average American in the same income bracket. Germany has universal health care. It goes to show when you shift your priorities from meddling in world affairs and deploying troops throughout the globe to taking care of your own how easy universal health care can be.

true enough.

mookie blaylock 10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Which leads me to the question....who here actually has first hand experience of being cared for in a socialized health care system?

hehe

excellent point, roland.

onelongsong

mammasan wrote:

Yay in the sense that I would love to see every individual in this countryhave to ability to obtain affordable healthcare coverage. Nay in the sense that i do not want our federal government within a 1,000 miles of providing healthcare coverage to the people.

amen. that says it all.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

but is your population equal to the us? is your income over $60K or $100K? if you make $25K/year; it's a great deal for you. how are your businesses taxed? how many unemployed people do you have that don't contribute anything? there are many factors that most people don't see. if my business is taxed by profits; i won't show any profits. i do that every tax season. when i take a holiday; i talk to someone about buffalo meat and write the trip off as a business trip. in 2006 i bought a 1 ton truck to knock $50K off my profits then depreciate it every year. i'll reinvest in more land or more buffalo. there's so many loopholes that a million dollar business can come out looking like it breaks almost even.
my state; nevada; doesn't tax people or businesses. so the federal government will have to go about this alone.

i just don't see it happening. what ever happened to hillarycare from the 90's?

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So... you admit to not paying you fair share by cheating the system. and you complain, "How many unemployed people do you have that don't contribute anything?"
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Gee... thanx.
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for nothing.

Yoyoyo

onelongsong wrote:

if my business is taxed by profits; i won't show any profits. i do that every tax season. when i take a holiday; i talk to someone about buffalo meat and write the trip off as a business trip. in 2006 i bought a 1 ton truck to knock $50K off my profits then depreciate it every year. i'll reinvest in more land or more buffalo. there's so many loopholes that a million dollar business can come out looking like it breaks almost even.

For being such a business savy person you're terminology could use some work...

It is not a loophole you describe, rather common tax law that every business adheres to. As far as the government is concerned either invest your income or get taxed on them it is very simple.

blackredyellow

mammasan wrote:

Yay in the sense that I would love to see every individual in this countryhave to ability to obtain affordable healthcare coverage. Nay in the sense that i do not want our federal government within a 1,000 miles of providing healthcare coverage to the people.

The problem is that you can't have the first part without the second part. As long as private insurance companies can decide who they want to insure and what procedures they want to insure, you will never have affordable healthcare to everyone.

mammasan

blackredyellow wrote:

The problem is that you can't have the first part without the second part. As long as private insurance companies can decide who they want to insure and what procedures they want to insure, you will never have affordable healthcare to everyone.

Unfortunetly that is true but I will never support government funded or managed healthcare. Not because I don't want my taxes going to insure someone else, but because anything our government touches will undoubtly become this over-blown beaucratic cluster-fuck that will end up costing the public more.