Iraq Economy Skyrocketing

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    fanch75 wrote:
    Again the point of the article was the economy is doing better and is growing in spite of all of the death & destruction.

    One can say "Yeah but" to anything. There are plenty of threads about the horrid situation in Iraq.

    maybe cuz the ones that don't have jobs...stand in a long line to get work... and get blown up..?

    ya the percentages would go up :)

    oh...and the economy isnt near what it was before Saddam was removed.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Iraqs economy making headlines :)

    i actually expect this in this country...a positive to you guys is money.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    It's nice to hear good news coming out of Iraq, contrary to what some on here may believe those of us opposed to the war do like to hear good news about Iraq and honestly would like to hear more of it.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ok mammasan...let me rip your legs off..than give you 42 billin dollars to go by some cell phones and real estate, and a 1985 Plymouth Reliant.

    lol its funny..
    to say Iraqs economy is Booming :)

    is that not funny to anyone else?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    oh and dont get ALL your facts from this newsletter by Silvia Springs...what kind of article doesnt give sources...the London daily or something she writes...comon...

    open your eyes guys....
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    ok mammasan...let me rip your legs off..than give you 42 billin dollars to go by some cell phones and real estate, and a 1985 Plymouth Reliant.

    lol its funny..
    to say Iraqs economy is Booming :)

    is that not funny to anyone else?

    What is so funny with Iraq's economy growing. No one is stating that this solves all their problems over there but it's at least a step in the right direction.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    What is so funny with Iraq's economy growing. No one is stating that this solves all their problems over there but it's at least a step in the right direction.

    Your seriously accepting this article??

    its funny to say Iraq's economy is booming..

    Booming..as in exploding...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Your seriously accepting this article??

    its funny to say Iraq's economy is booming..

    Booming..as in exploding...

    You know I'll take back what I said in my original post. There are people on here who can't accept good news coming out of Iraq.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?

    Sigh......

    There's more hope to be found in this story than any negative post about George Bush or Donald Rumsfeld. Yet the latter are welcomed here with open arms.

    It's nice to hear that, in certain parts and places in Iraq, change has come for the better. All the more reason to care about those parts and places where the changes have been for the worse. This story and those like it show that doom is not inevitable. I can only wonder if some people want doom to be inevitable.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Real estate... booming... al Zarqawi... sitting a house... laser guided munition... BOOM... get it? Booming... house... al Zarqawi... BOOM!? The humor sort of gets lost when I have to explain it to you.
    ...
    And yeah... I can understand how you Bush people will grapple for every tid-bit of good news on the Iraqi Front..

    What's a "Bush person"? I think I have an idea who the Anti-Bush people are...I actually voted against him (twice in 2000) more than I voted for him (once in 2004).

    This isn't about that, and reading your posts throughout this thread, you have an understanding of where we are NOW, you are interested in addressing the question "where do we go from here?" I like you, think it's REALLY important.

    As for the other folks, I'm not really interested in living 2003 over again b/c I wasn't even for going into Iraq in the first place. What I'm interested in is solving today's problems. I think the media is doing a horrible job at reporting what is going on right now. The fact that most people don't know what "winning" there means is a testament to that.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    First off, I don't only want to hear bad news about Iraq but I don't equate cell phones and fast food as good news. Good news would be that the Iraqi people aren't dying and living in horrible conditions. But putting money towards giving these people back some sense of normality and decent living conditions isn't going to line anyone's pockets...if it did they'd be all over it. So it makes me quite wary to see people jump at any kind of 'good' news because I feel it may be an attempt at a justification for the invasion. Even if the Iraqi people managed to pull it together with our help and get back to something close to normal and maybe even prosper in the future....it still wouldn't be worth the enormous loss of life and the amount of destruction this war has caused.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    funny, but i've heard that the media is under reporting the violence in iraq.

    the fact that you think anything other than violence is mutually exclusive to news is why i think the media has done a bad job.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    First off, I don't only want to hear bad news about Iraq but I don't equate cell phones and fast food as good news. Good news would be that the Iraqi people aren't dying and living in horrible conditions. But putting money towards giving these people back some sense of normality and decent living conditions isn't going to line anyone's pockets...if it did they'd be all over it. So it makes me quite wary to see people jump at any kind of 'good' news because I feel it may be an attempt at a justification for the invasion. Even if the Iraqi people managed to pull it together with our help and get back to something close to normal and maybe even prosper in the future....it still wouldn't be worth the enormous loss of life and the amount of destruction this war has caused.

    I don't think that by accepting some good news, regardless of the magnitude of it, is going to lead to a justification of the invasion. To me it's a marker on how bad the situation there really is when more cell phone sales is considered good news.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    First off, I don't only want to hear bad news about Iraq but I don't equate cell phones and fast food as good news. Good news would be that the Iraqi people aren't dying and living in horrible conditions. But putting money towards giving these people back some sense of normality and decent living conditions isn't going to line anyone's pockets...if it did they'd be all over it. So it makes me quite wary to see people jump at any kind of 'good' news because I feel it may be an attempt at a justification for the invasion. Even if the Iraqi people managed to pull it together with our help and get back to something close to normal and maybe even prosper in the future....it still wouldn't be worth the enormous loss of life and the amount of destruction this war has caused.

    You're going to have to decide which is more important abook -- a better life for the Iraqis or the fact that some people may use that better life to justify the horrors that preceded it.

    You have to face the fact that success in Iraq, measured by the welfare of its people, will require a place wherein pro-invasion people will be able to say "I told you so". You'd also be wise to understand that their ability to say that means very little outside their own self-image.

    A better Iraq was possible without the war we see. But a better Iraq now requires the end to that war. An end to that war requires reasons for people to work together as opposed to shooting each other. It was the merchant trade of tea that in many ways led America to better days, so I'd advise you to not dismiss what "cell phones" and "fast food" may accomplish, at least in part.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You're going to have to decide which is more important abook -- a better life for the Iraqis or the fact that some people may use that better life to justify the horrors that preceded it.

    Of course the Iraqi livelihood is the most important but why do I have to decide between which to discuss?
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You have to face the fact that success in Iraq, measured by the welfare of its people, will require a place wherein pro-invasion people will be able to say "I told you so". You'd also be wise to understand that their ability to say that means very little outside their own self-image.

    I'm well aware any good news that comes out of Iraq will be used to support their invasion. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to be right here letting them know we could have always helped these people without bombing their country to pieces and wrecking their lives first. It didn't have to cost us 3,000 American lives, the uncountable loss of Iraqi lives and billions of dollars down the tubes, all for this chaos.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    A better Iraq was possible without the war we see. But a better Iraq now requires the end to that war. An end to that war requires reasons for people to work together as opposed to shooting each other. It was the merchant trade of tea that in many ways led America to better days, so I'd advise you to not dismiss what "cell phones" and "fast food" may accomplish, at least in part.

    I understand that people can't accomplish anything by shooting each other. But the Iraqi insurgency sees all the destruction around them and act out trying to defend their homeland. We had to result to genocide to to accomplish those 'better' days in America where we took over. Are we going to let that practice continue? Or should we let the Iraqis make their own 'better' days without our involvement if that's what they wish?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Of course the Iraqi livelihood is the most important but why do I have to decide between which to discuss?

    You don't have to decide between which to discuss. You have to decide which you want.
    I'm well aware any good news that comes out of Iraq will be used to support their invasion. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to be right here letting them know we could have always helped these people without bombing their country to pieces and wrecking their lives first. It didn't have to cost us 3,000 American lives, the uncountable loss of Iraqi lives and billions of dollars down the tubes, all for this chaos.

    Of course it didn't.
    I understand that people can't accomplish anything by shooting each other. But the Iraqi insurgency sees all the destruction around them and act out trying to defend their homeland.

    :eek:

    The Iraqi insurgency now sees a situation wherein they can attempt to sieze control of a nation and its people. To pretend that the Iraqi insurgency are fighting only to "defend their homeland" is ridiculous, particularly considering that the insurgency is just as responsible for attacking that homeland as America is and, furthermore, part of that insurgency can't even refer to Iraq as their "homeland".
    We had to result to genocide to to accomplish those 'better' days in America where we took over.

    What specifically are you referring to here?
    Are we going to let that practice continue? Or should we let the Iraqis make their own 'better' days without our involvement if that's what they wish?

    We should certainly allow Iraqis to make their own "better" days without our involvement. The article posted is very much about them doing that.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You don't have to decide between which to discuss. You have to decide which you want.

    So I have to accept the justifications for this war and perhaps future wars if I want to see things get better for the Iraqis?

    farfromglorified wrote:
    :eek:

    The Iraqi insurgency now sees a situation wherein they can attempt to sieze control of a nation and its people. To pretend that the Iraqi insurgency are fighting only to "defend their homeland" is ridiculous, particularly considering that the insurgency is just as responsible for attacking that homeland as America is and, furthermore, part of that insurgency can't even refer to Iraq as their "homeland".

    Why is it ridiculous? They are blowing shit up inside their homeland because that's where the fight is. If we were invaded how would you defend yourself with the enemy embedded inside your area? Were they doing this before we invaded? Why do they think they can stand up against our military and not Saddam's? I don't think too much of the insurgency comes from outside, honestly. But I'm sure there does exist those who will try to capitalize on the mess we made.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    What specifically are you referring to here?

    The Native Americans who lived here before us.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    We should certainly allow Iraqis to make their own "better" days without our involvement. The article posted is very much about them doing that.

    Again, I'm all for these people having normal lives but I do not accept this as a justification for causing their problems to begin with. What country do we have to blow part next to bring them Cingular and the Whopper?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So I have to accept the justifications for this war and perhaps future wars if I want to see things get better for the Iraqis?

    Actually, yes, but not in the way you're implying above. If you want a better future for Iraq, you have to accept the fact that this war happened and it cannot be undone. And you have to accept the fact that, if a positive outcome emerges, supporters of that war will celebrate because they will say the war played a role. And you'll have to accept the fact that they're right, in a way: this war, as a part of history, will have played a role in what Iraq becomes.

    What you don't have to accept is that a better life for Iraqis required a war. And you don't have to accept that there are necessary evils in this word. And you don't have to accept the corrupt ideology that peace requires war. And you don't have to accept that replacing one corrupt dictatorship with one corrupt "democracy" is a measure of progress.
    Why is it ridiculous? They are blowing shit up inside their homeland because that's where the fight is. If we were invaded how would you defend yourself with the enemy embedded inside your area?

    Umm...the key word is "enemy". Certainly I would defend my land if invaded. However, I wouldn't defend my land by killing my neighbors. That doesn't make much sense.
    Were they doing this before we invaded?

    To a much smaller extent, yes. They also had an established regime that did it to them typically before they had a chance to do it to others.
    Why do they think they can stand up against our military and not Saddam's?

    For a lot of reasons. First, our military is not, at least on a large scale, going door to door slaughtering or imprisoning suspicious people. Secondly, our military doesn't have the reach that Saddam's had within Iraq. Thirdly, some populations in Iraq did stand up to Saddam and were summarily defeated.
    I don't think too much of the insurgency comes from outside, honestly. But I'm sure there does exist those who will try to capitalize on the mess we made.

    Yes, but "our mess" doesn't forgive their behavior. Please do not excuse the choices of murderers, regardless of their reasons. It's unbecoming for you.
    The Native Americans who lived here before us.

    Certainly. But again, such a slaughter was not necessary for the life we lead. It was an unnecessary crime, as is the slaughter of Iraqis by both our military and the Iraqi insurgency.
    Again, I'm all for these people having normal lives but I do not accept this as a justification for causing their problems to begin with. What country do we have to blow part next to bring them Cingular and the Whopper?

    None, hopefully. But it should tell you something about your own views on this situation to see how quickly you start talking about "justifications".
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Again, I'm all for these people having normal lives but I do not accept this as a justification for causing their problems to begin with. What country do we have to blow part next to bring them Cingular and the Whopper?

    hahaha

    If we were talking about bringing them White Castle and Natty Light, then it'd totally be worth the death & destruction for those left to taste the awesomeness.
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  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You're going to have to decide which is more important abook -- a better life for the Iraqis or the fact that some people may use that better life to justify the horrors that preceded it.

    You have to face the fact that success in Iraq, measured by the welfare of its people, will require a place wherein pro-invasion people will be able to say "I told you so". You'd also be wise to understand that their ability to say that means very little outside their own self-image.

    A better Iraq was possible without the war we see. But a better Iraq now requires the end to that war. An end to that war requires reasons for people to work together as opposed to shooting each other. It was the merchant trade of tea that in many ways led America to better days, so I'd advise you to not dismiss what "cell phones" and "fast food" may accomplish, at least in part.


    well said
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