Iraq Economy Skyrocketing

Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
Blood and Money
In what might be called the mother of all surprises, Iraq's economy is growing strong, even booming in places.

By Silvia Spring
Newsweek International
Dec. 25, 2006 - Jan. 1, 2007 issue - It may sound unreal, given the daily images of carnage and chaos. But for a certain plucky breed of businessmen, there's good money to be made in Iraq. Consider Iraqna, the leading mobile-phone company. For sure, its quarterly reports seldom make for dull reading. Despite employees kidnapped, cell-phone towers bombed, storefronts shot up and a huge security budget—up to four guards for each employee—the company posted revenues of $333 million in 2005. This year, it's on track to take in $520 million. The U.S. State Department reports that there are now 7.1 million mobile-phone subscribers in Iraq, up from just 1.4 million two years ago. Says Wael Ziada, an analyst in Cairo who tracks Iraqna: "There will always be pockets of money and wealth, no matter how bad the situation gets."

Civil war or not, Iraq has an economy, and—mother of all surprises—it's doing remarkably well. Real estate is booming. Construction, retail and wholesale trade sectors are healthy, too, according to a report by Global Insight in London. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce reports 34,000 registered companies in Iraq, up from 8,000 three years ago. Sales of secondhand cars, televisions and mobile phones have all risen sharply. Estimates vary, but one from Global Insight puts GDP growth at 17 percent last year and projects 13 percent for 2006. The World Bank has it lower: at 4 percent this year. But, given all the attention paid to deteriorating security, the startling fact is that Iraq is growing at all.

How? Iraq is a crippled nation growing on the financial equivalent of steroids, with money pouring in from abroad. National oil revenues and foreign grants look set to total $41 billion this year, according to the IMF. With security improving in one key spot—the southern oilfields—that figure could go up.

Not too shabby, all things considered. Yes, Iraq's problems are daunting, to say the least. Unemployment runs between 30 and 50 percent. Many former state industries have all but ceased to function. As for all that money flowing in, much of it has gone to things that do little to advance the country's future. Security, for instance, gobbles up as much as a third of most companies' operating budgets, whereas what Iraq really needs are hospitals, highways and power-generating plants.

Even so, there's a vibrancy at the grass roots that is invisible in most international coverage of Iraq. Partly it's the trickle-down effect. However it's spent, whether on security or something else, money circulates. Nor are ordinary Iraqis themselves short on cash. After so many years of living under sanctions, with little to consume, many built up considerable nest eggs—which they are now spending. That's boosted economic activity, particularly in retail. Imported goods have grown increasingly affordable, thanks to the elimination of tariffs and trade barriers. Salaries have gone up more than 100 percent since the fall of Saddam, and income-tax cuts (from 45 percent to just 15 percent) have put more cash in Iraqi pockets. "The U.S. wanted to create the conditions in which small-scale private enterprise could blossom," says Jan Randolph, head of sovereign risk at Global Insight. "In a sense, they've succeeded."


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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Tell you what... I'll buy into the 'Everything's coming up roses' thing when Donald Rumsfeld opens up a hot dog stand in Fallujah. Until then, I'm not buying any shares of Iraqi Airlines stock.
    ...
    I did like this sentence:
    'Real estate is booming.'
    Ask Musab al-Zarqawi... he would concur.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tell you what... I'll buy into the 'Everything's coming up roses' thing when Donald Rumsfeld opens up a hot dog stand in Fallujah. Until then, I'm not buying any shares of Iraqi Airlines stock.
    ...
    I did like this sentence:
    'Real estate is booming.'
    Ask Musab al-Zarqawi... he would concur.

    The point was not to say "everything is roses"...

    the point is...not everything is headed to hell. Just because someone offers POSITIVE news, doesn't mean they think everything is going great. Isn't this the place for gray, not black and white? Unfortunately, NOBODY tells us the positives, so I'll share when I have the opportunity.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    The point was not to say "everything is roses"...

    the point is...not everything is headed to hell. Just because someone offers POSITIVE news, doesn't mean they think everything is going great. Isn't this the place for gray, not black and white? Unfortunately, NOBODY tells us the positives, so I'll share when I have the opportunity.
    ...
    Still... what did you think of my Musab al-Zarqawi comment?
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  • Bravo! I for one am tired of living day to day with a media that is obsessed with feeding me negativity.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Still... what did you think of my Musab al-Zarqawi comment?

    I'm not sure what I think...I tried asking him, but I get the same response as when I ask Princess Diana questions.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • It's a bumpersticker comment Cosmo. People with smartass zingers are a dime a dozen... Are you a little depressed about the death of Zarqawi? If not, what was the point of your post?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?


    Liberalism at it's finest.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?

    The news is that good economies don't equate "rich, greedy, businessmen"

    Capitalism is the key to freedom (in my view) and if the Iraqi market takes off, that helps all Iraqi's.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • The news is that good economies don't equate "rich, greedy, businessmen"

    Capitalism is the key to freedom (in my view) and if the Iraqi market takes off, that helps all Iraqi's.

    But why think Hawk?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    It's a bumpersticker comment Cosmo. People with smartass zingers are a dime a dozen... Are you a little depressed about the death of Zarqawi? If not, what was the point of your post?
    ...
    Real estate... booming... al Zarqawi... sitting a house... laser guided munition... BOOM... get it? Booming... house... al Zarqawi... BOOM!? The humor sort of gets lost when I have to explain it to you.
    ...
    And yeah... I can understand how you Bush people will grapple for every tid-bit of good news on the Iraqi Front.. I don't blame you. Especially, when it comes from outside of the White House, because that lends credibility to it. But, even you have to admit that modest success in cell phone and used car sales cannot quite offset 27 headless bodies dumped in the streets. Yeah... it's a good thing and a step in the right direction... the profits, not the headless bodies, that is... unless the profits help to fund Jew hating Shi'ites. Oh, sorry... that's a bad habit I have... preparing for the worst case, hoping for the best outcome. But, I just have this feeling that the people in Iraq don't view the world as I do... and that money isn't the answer or the road to peace and happiness. I'm one of those glass is half-empty people... when it's piss that's in the glass.
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  • Remember when we used to laugh at Baghdad Bob for this type of delusional fantasy? It's not nearly as funny when we do it.
    hate was just a legend
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Remember when we used to laugh at Baghdad Bob for this type of delusional fantasy? It's not nearly as funny when we do it.
    ...
    Like when he stood on that building and proclaimed that the infidels have been turned away by the mighty Iraqi Army... and over his shoulder you could see an M-1A1 Abrams tank sitting on a bridge?
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • I don't really need to describe how bad the situation in Iraq is in, the parallels with Vietnam are frightening. But it is very good news that the economy is growing and people are better off since Saddam was deposed. Now if the Shites and Sunnis could just somehow get along....not much chance of that.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I don't really need to describe how bad the situation in Iraq is in, the parallels with Vietnam are frightening. But it is very good news that the economy is growing and people are better off since Saddam was deposed. Now if the Shites and Sunnis could just somehow get along....not much chance of that.
    ...
    I think we ALL want Iraq to succeed becuse none of us want a failed Iraqi state... that would result in decades of shit. But, straightening up that mess ourselves is a daunting task... one that will require lots of time and tons of money and the loss of so many lives. It is a tough problem that requires difficult, complex solutions. The best bet is a world solution... one that requires assistance from a REAL coalition of nations that includes regional neighbors and our European allies.
    Good luck with that... and I don't blame them for passing on this one. Imagine if Russia undertook this idiotic folly and got caught in the same jam as we are... would we be willing to send in our troops and spend our tax dollars to bail their asses out? No fucking way.
    It's a tough situation our President has gotten us into.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    The news is that good economies don't equate "rich, greedy, businessmen"

    Capitalism is the key to freedom (in my view) and if the Iraqi market takes off, that helps all Iraqi's.


    perhaps, but they DO usually equate running water and stable electricity
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  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?

    Well, let's be fair here.

    If 7.1 million Iraqis now have cell phones (compared to 1.4 two years ago), I'd say that this is a sign that more Iraqis have more disposable income. Starving folks don't have cellphones and I don't think that 7.1 million Iraqis are rich.

    As El_Kabong points out, there is a lot of stuff wrong that needs corrected, but this article shows good economic growth, in spite of all that bad stuff.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Bravo! I for one am tired of living day to day with a media that is obsessed with feeding me negativity.

    i think Constant day to day mass deaths will always make headlines.

    Day to Day..lol


    cell phones...woo hoo!! they can call 911..


    man im so tired of hearing about innocent lives being lost...hide it from me and show me Verizon adds and Mcdonalds in Iraq bathrooms..
    and get me one of those ribbons.. shows i care...

    wonder what its like to be dead?
  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    macgyver06 wrote:
    i think Constant day to day mass deaths will always make headlines.

    Day to Day..lol

    cell phones...woo hoo!! they can call 911..

    man im so tired of hearing about innocent lives being lost...hide it from me and show me Verizon adds and Mcdonalds in Iraq bathrooms..
    and get me one of those ribbons.. shows i care...

    wonder what its like to be dead?


    Again the point of the article was the economy is doing better and is growing in spite of all of the death & destruction.

    One can say "Yeah but" to anything. There are plenty of threads about the horrid situation in Iraq.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    you all know hell has a very low frostbite level.... huh huh

    how come no one ever gives me those statistics!

    damn the media!
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    fanch75 wrote:
    Again the point of the article was the economy is doing better and is growing in spite of all of the death & destruction.

    One can say "Yeah but" to anything. There are plenty of threads about the horrid situation in Iraq.

    maybe cuz the ones that don't have jobs...stand in a long line to get work... and get blown up..?

    ya the percentages would go up :)

    oh...and the economy isnt near what it was before Saddam was removed.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Iraqs economy making headlines :)

    i actually expect this in this country...a positive to you guys is money.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    It's nice to hear good news coming out of Iraq, contrary to what some on here may believe those of us opposed to the war do like to hear good news about Iraq and honestly would like to hear more of it.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ok mammasan...let me rip your legs off..than give you 42 billin dollars to go by some cell phones and real estate, and a 1985 Plymouth Reliant.

    lol its funny..
    to say Iraqs economy is Booming :)

    is that not funny to anyone else?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    oh and dont get ALL your facts from this newsletter by Silvia Springs...what kind of article doesnt give sources...the London daily or something she writes...comon...

    open your eyes guys....
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    ok mammasan...let me rip your legs off..than give you 42 billin dollars to go by some cell phones and real estate, and a 1985 Plymouth Reliant.

    lol its funny..
    to say Iraqs economy is Booming :)

    is that not funny to anyone else?

    What is so funny with Iraq's economy growing. No one is stating that this solves all their problems over there but it's at least a step in the right direction.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    What is so funny with Iraq's economy growing. No one is stating that this solves all their problems over there but it's at least a step in the right direction.

    Your seriously accepting this article??

    its funny to say Iraq's economy is booming..

    Booming..as in exploding...
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Your seriously accepting this article??

    its funny to say Iraq's economy is booming..

    Booming..as in exploding...

    You know I'll take back what I said in my original post. There are people on here who can't accept good news coming out of Iraq.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Good news, everyone! Rich business men are making money off of a horrible situation! What was the news again?

    Sigh......

    There's more hope to be found in this story than any negative post about George Bush or Donald Rumsfeld. Yet the latter are welcomed here with open arms.

    It's nice to hear that, in certain parts and places in Iraq, change has come for the better. All the more reason to care about those parts and places where the changes have been for the worse. This story and those like it show that doom is not inevitable. I can only wonder if some people want doom to be inevitable.
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Real estate... booming... al Zarqawi... sitting a house... laser guided munition... BOOM... get it? Booming... house... al Zarqawi... BOOM!? The humor sort of gets lost when I have to explain it to you.
    ...
    And yeah... I can understand how you Bush people will grapple for every tid-bit of good news on the Iraqi Front..

    What's a "Bush person"? I think I have an idea who the Anti-Bush people are...I actually voted against him (twice in 2000) more than I voted for him (once in 2004).

    This isn't about that, and reading your posts throughout this thread, you have an understanding of where we are NOW, you are interested in addressing the question "where do we go from here?" I like you, think it's REALLY important.

    As for the other folks, I'm not really interested in living 2003 over again b/c I wasn't even for going into Iraq in the first place. What I'm interested in is solving today's problems. I think the media is doing a horrible job at reporting what is going on right now. The fact that most people don't know what "winning" there means is a testament to that.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
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