An Example Of Muslim Leadership

NMyTree

This guy clearly illustrates the mindless, narrow-minded, overly-defensive, overly-sensitive, violence-advocating mindset and perception of Muslims.

Not once in this discussion does this clown ever criticize or denounce the violent and absurd reaction to the Pope's comments. Not once is he willing to even consider the possibility that Muslims have grossly misinterpreted and over-reacted. Not once. He's not even willing to accept, invite or entertain the notion.


http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/world/2006/09/16/lin.pope.debate.cnn&wm


...and remember......I'm a guy who has zero respect for the Pope.

ConX

Just shows you how warped Religious fanaticism is.........

What stupid, stupid people..........

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Nun_murdered_in_Somalia_after_Pope%27s_speech

NMyTree

ConX wrote:

Just shows you how warped Religious fanaticism is.........

What stupid, stupid people..........

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Nun_murdered_in_Somalia_after_Pope%27s_speech

Here's a full article on the the Nun


http://www.garoweonline.com/stories/publish/article_5022.shtml


" The nun, who was not immediately identified, was shot in the back at S.O.S. Hospital in northern Mogadishu by two gunmen, said Mohamed Yusuf, a doctor at the facility, which serves mothers and children. The nun's bodyguard and a hospital worker were also killed, doctors said. "


"These gunmen always look for white people to kill, and now the pope gave them the reason to do their worst," said Mohamud Durguf Derow, who was at the scene when the nun was killed. "


And from Conx's link:

" Muslim leaders in the region have demanded that Muslims "hunt down" and kill the Pontiff. They have also told worshippers that "whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim".


Ah, such a rational, reasonable, mature and loving group of people:rolleyes:



Certainly the words and mindset of loving, accepting and loving people.

" whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim "

Carlos D

NMyTree wrote:

Here's a full article on the the Nun


http://www.garoweonline.com/stories/publish/article_5022.shtml


" The nun, who was not immediately identified, was shot in the back at S.O.S. Hospital in northern Mogadishu by two gunmen, said Mohamed Yusuf, a doctor at the facility, which serves mothers and children. The nun's bodyguard and a hospital worker were also killed, doctors said. "


"These gunmen always look for white people to kill, and now the pope gave them the reason to do their worst," said Mohamud Durguf Derow, who was at the scene when the nun was killed. "

Before now I've thought it innappropriate to say 'Muslims are violent' or anything along those lines but the reaction to these comments shows that they are simply bullies and barbarians looking for any reason to make the Western World and non-Muslim people fear them.I think the Pope was not only justified in what he said but the reaction to his words have proved his point.I don't see any need to respect or fear Islam anymore if this is how they react to a call for religion without violence.


And from Conx's link:

" Muslim leaders in the region have demanded that Muslims "hunt down" and kill the Pontiff. They have also told worshippers that "whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim".


Ah, such a rational, reasonable, mature and loving group of people:rolleyes:



Certainly the words and mindset of loving, accepting and loving people.

" whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim "

Before now I've thought it innappropriate to say 'Muslims are violent' or anything along those lines but the reaction to these comments shows that they are simply bullies and barbarians looking for any reason to make the Western World and non-Muslim people fear them.I think the Pope was not only justified in what he said but the reaction to his words have proved his point.I don't see any need to respect or fear Islam anymore if this is how they react to a call for religion without violence.

NMyTree

It's so absurd and childish that they, as a collective, can take his words out of context, completely run with it in a direction they choose and then attempt to manipulate the whole world into walking on egg-shells, when it comes to Islam and Muslims. What a contrived, manipulative load a crap.

Fuck them! They can kiss my ass!

Their ignorance is only outweighted by their coniving, hateful manipulation.

bootlegger10

Mosques are popping up everywhere in the United States. It is just the beginning.

Open

Your reaction seems hippocritical..you're essentially acting like them. "Leading muslim cleric"...in mogidishu they can come here and quote a grandmaster of the KKK....would you like them forming a viewpoint of america based on the words of a KKK grandmaster? Of the millions of muslims in the US how many of them have held violent demonstrations here?

Echoes

bootlegger10 wrote:

Mosques are popping up everywhere in the United States. It is just the beginning.

hahahahahahaha

Open

bootlegger10 wrote:

Mosques are popping up everywhere in the United States. It is just the beginning.[/quote}

That's right and im gonna make sure they come to look for you first!

NMyTree

Open wrote:

That's right and im gonna make sure they come to look for you first!

So you condone and advocate Islam/Muslim's approach to all this. You approve of verbal threats and physical violence as a method of controling other people's freedom of speech? Even if, as in this case, they the Muslims have completely misinterpreted the Pope's speech and have completely lost their minds?

Thanks for proving a point.

I rest my case.


P.S. Muslims would be advised to not react violently in this country. Sadly, Muslims and their bullying islamic ways are wearing down American's patience and tolerance......to a very thin margin. It would be a tragic and horrible mistake for them to act out here.

NMyTree

Open wrote:

Your reaction seems hippocritical..you're essentially acting like them. "Leading muslim cleric"...in mogidishu they can come here and quote a grandmaster of the KKK....would you like them forming a viewpoint of america based on the words of a KKK grandmaster? Of the millions of muslims in the US how many of them have held violent demonstrations here?

Unlike the KKK, quotes have been coming in from all over the world and they all have the same attitude and message......from the Muslim world.

How many KKK "Leaders" have been speaking up lately and acting out in violence?

bootlegger10

Echoes wrote:

hahahahahahaha

You laugh, but wait....When forced to take sides (Religion vs. America), they'll take religion every time.

Open

NMyTree wrote:

Unlike the KKK, quotes have been coming in from all over the world and they all have the same attitude and message......from the Muslim world.

How many KKK "Leaders" have been speaking up lately and acting out in violence?

Go visit any extremist website and you'll find plenty.


Bootlegger - Just like the evangicals right?

NMyTree

What violence have the KKK or Evangicals been active in, recently?

NMyTree

Open wrote:

Go visit any extremist website and you'll find plenty.

We're not talking about extremist websites. I can show you dozens of websites, from all forms of different religious extremists who are spouting off on their respective webpages.

We're talking about World news and International news sources.

Please provide some.

bootlegger10

Open wrote:

Go visit any extremist website and you'll find plenty.


Bootlegger - Just like the evangicals right?

Who are evangicals? Is that a group of people who like a guy named Evan?

The Evangelicals won't resort to terrorist attacks. Please don't respond with bringing up the one abortion clinic attack in the last 15 years. The evangelicals won't turn violent when gay marraige is approved. There might be a couple freaks out there, but not on the large scale of Muslim terror, and violence would be rebuked by 99.9% of Evangelicals, whereas it is difficult to find a Muslim leader who will rebuke terrorism (I'm sure many Muslims don't agree, but they fear their Muslim peers.) That's the difference. There are extremist Christian groups, but they represent .1% of Christians, whereas the Muslim extremists represent a very large and more brutal percentage.

eden

NMyTree wrote:

This guy clearly illustrates the mindless, narrow-minded, overly-defensive, overly-sensitive, violence-advocating mindset and perception of Muslims.

Not once in this discussion does this clown ever criticize or denounce the violent and absurd reaction to the Pope's comments. Not once is he willing to even consider the possibility that Muslims have grossly misinterpreted and over-reacted. Not once. He's not even willing to accept, invite or entertain the notion.


http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/world/2006/09/16/lin.pope.debate.cnn&wm


...and remember......I'm a guy who has zero respect for the Pope.

Its interesting when you research Muslim roots that they are the descendants of Ishmael (Abrahams illigitemate son by his wife Sarah's concubine) anyway, Ishmael left Abrahams family in disgrace and then went on to become the Patriarch of such violent clans as the Assyrians - who were referred to as "Hunters of Men" and would mount the heads of the men they killed on their spears as trophies.

I believe that certain traits run in certain races, and the Muslim people have been taught to use violence from the beginning. BUT I hate to generalize as well, their are also many gentle, beautiful, peace loving Muslims who stick more closely to the teachings of Muhamed.

Abookamongstthemany

bootlegger10 wrote:

Who are evangicals? Is that a group of people who like a guy named Evan?

The Evangelicals won't resort to terrorist attacks. Please don't respond with bringing up the one abortion clinic attack in the last 15 years. The evangelicals won't turn violent when gay marraige is approved. There might be a couple freaks out there, but not on the large scale of Muslim terror, and violence would be rebuked by 99.9% of Evangelicals, whereas it is difficult to find a Muslim leader who will rebuke terrorism (I'm sure many Muslims don't agree, but they fear their Muslim peers.) That's the difference. There are extremist Christian groups, but they represent .1% of Christians, whereas the Muslim extremists represent a very large and more brutal percentage.

I don't think it has so much to do with the being Muslim as it does with the act that we as a society have more things to distract ourselves with and much more to lose than they.

Open

bootlegger10 wrote:

Who are evangicals? Is that a group of people who like a guy named Evan?

The Evangelicals won't resort to terrorist attacks. Please don't respond with bringing up the one abortion clinic attack in the last 15 years. The evangelicals won't turn violent when gay marraige is approved. There might be a couple freaks out there, but not on the large scale of Muslim terror, and violence would be rebuked by 99.9% of Evangelicals, whereas it is difficult to find a Muslim leader who will rebuke terrorism (I'm sure many Muslims don't agree, but they fear their Muslim peers.) That's the difference. There are extremist Christian groups, but they represent .1% of Christians, whereas the Muslim extremists represent a very large and more brutal percentage.

How much muslim related violence has occured in the US, by Muslims. Dont include 9/11 b/c they were terrorists who were sent here, not typical muslims who live here. I bet you there has been more attacks on mosques here in the us than attacks on churches here by muslims.

yosi1

Open wrote:

How much muslim related violence has occured in the US, by Muslims. Dont include 9/11 b/c they were terrorists who were sent here, not typical muslims who live here. I bet you there has been more attacks on mosques here in the us than attacks on churches here by muslims.

Actually the Muslims who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks were all US citizens. And what does it mean to say "they were sent here"? Do you know that most Muslim terrorists outside of the Middle East lead what is known as a double life. Living both as religious fanatics but in a secular world with both worlds weighing in on them. Because of this, I think that 9/11 is a perfectly fine example to use.

bootlegger10

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't think it has so much to do with the being Muslim as it does with the act that we as a society have more things to distract ourselves with and much more to lose than they.

You have a point there, but I do believe it has as lot to do with being Muslim. When a cartoon image of Muhammed is printed and there are riots around the world that are accepted within the Muslim community on the whole, I believe that it has a lot to do with being Muslim.

I'm not saying Christians would never turn violent, but it would take a lot more than a cartoon, words from a Muslim cleric (i.e. similar to the reaction of words from the Pope), and other religions practicing their faith (go read from the Bible on the street corner in a lot of these Muslim countries....).

A lot of the Muslim extremists kill in the name of Allah or Muhammed. That to me shows that violence is a very big part of the modern Muslim religion. I say modern because you may point to the Crusades as when Christians killed in the name of God, but I am talking 2006 here. Christians supported the war on terror for the same reason we supported WWII. We believe in freedom and stopping those folks who want to kill us, and not necessarily because of their religion.