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surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

Ye Olde Book says it was the woman who gave in to Evil.

And then the man gave into temptation. Who went first is immaterial.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

And then the man gave into temptation. Who went first is immaterial.

Alright, but at that point in YE Olde Book, who begat whom through whom?

I guess that's immaterial, too, since mitochondrial DNA shows us that woman begat woman.

Derrick

1 - Biologically, most men are ingrained with the unconscious desire to spread the seed as often as possible.
2 - Biologically, men are typically larger stronger and more aggressive than women.

Now, put those two things together and you will see situations where the sexual aggressor uses his power described in point 2 to achieve the need/desire from point 1.

If the sexual aggressor were the physically weaker gender, there would probably be a lot fewer births, possibly even to the point of no significant change in population in the past x thousand years humans have existed. Disease or other mass-tragedy may have rendered our species extinct with so few numbers. There are a lot of potential discussions that can begin with "WHAT IF the more sexual aggressive gender was the least powerful gender?"

Sexual aggression and assault are terrible terrible things, but I don't think it takes a scholar to understand why it happens, and why it will continue to happen. We can educate our young to the very best of our ability, but there is an element of biology our education will be fighting against....an "uphill battle" if you will.

gue_barium

Derrick wrote:

1 - Biologically, most men are ingrained with the unconscious desire to spread the seed as often as possible.
2 - Biologically, men are typically larger stronger and more aggressive than women.

Now, put those two things together and you will see situations where the sexual aggressor uses his power described in point 2 to achieve the need/desire from point 1.

If the sexual aggressor were the physically weaker gender, there would probably be a lot fewer births, possibly even to the point of no significant change in population in the past x thousand years humans have existed. Disease or other mass-tragedy may have rendered our species extinct with so few numbers. There are a lot of potential discussions that can begin with "WHAT IF the more sexual aggressive gender was the least powerful gender?"

Sexual aggression and assault are terrible terrible things, but I don't think it takes a scholar to understand why it happens, and why it will continue to happen. We can educate our young to the very best of our ability, but there is an element of biology our education will be fighting against....an "uphill battle" if you will.

You're using the ape-thing, and ignoring culture and art. Biology isn't everything. Even among apes, at least among the bonobos, sex is used as the release for communal differences.

onelongsong

i think you should check into the stats of women committing crimes.

Cosmo

Rushlimbo wrote:

If I was a woman I'd be a lesbian.

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I'm not a woman and I'm still a lesbian.
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Only... just the cute, lipstick lesbians... like Anne Heche... not the bulldyke, John Goodman softball player lesbians.

onelongsong

Derrick wrote:

1 - Biologically, most men are ingrained with the unconscious desire to spread the seed as often as possible.
2 - Biologically, men are typically larger stronger and more aggressive than women.

Now, put those two things together and you will see situations where the sexual aggressor uses his power described in point 2 to achieve the need/desire from point 1.

If the sexual aggressor were the physically weaker gender, there would probably be a lot fewer births, possibly even to the point of no significant change in population in the past x thousand years humans have existed. Disease or other mass-tragedy may have rendered our species extinct with so few numbers. There are a lot of potential discussions that can begin with "WHAT IF the more sexual aggressive gender was the least powerful gender?"

Sexual aggression and assault are terrible terrible things, but I don't think it takes a scholar to understand why it happens, and why it will continue to happen. We can educate our young to the very best of our ability, but there is an element of biology our education will be fighting against....an "uphill battle" if you will.

another female teacher was arrested for having sex with a male student. i lost track of how many that makes this year alone. many school girls participate in fights and violence; just watch the tele.
i think you need to do a little more research.

Byrnzie

What about the other side of the coin? What have women done to make postive change in the world and turn back the tide of 'male aggression'?

Please list for me all the women in history who have made a difference in the world re: reigning those men in who have taken us down the wrong path. In my experience it has been mostly men who have rocked the boat and made positive changes.

Please name me one female Che Guevara, a female Noam Chomsky, a female Albert Camus, a female Ho chi Min, or a female Malcolm X?

CaterinaA

Byrnzie wrote:

What about the other side of the coin? What have women done to make postive change in the world and turn back the tide of 'male aggression'?

Please list for me all the women in history who have made a difference in the world re: reigning those men in who have taken us down the wrong path. In my experience it has been mostly men who have rocked the boat and made positive changes.

Please name me one female Che Guevara, a female Noam Chomsky, a female Albert Camus, a female Ho chi Min, or a female Malcolm X?

Well, I guess it depends on what you think of "rocked the boat and made positive changes" means. For me, as a Latin American the legacy of Che Guevara is actually a very sad one, and not somebody I will list as a great man, as I will never admire anybody that condones violence, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

However, I believe that Rigoberta Menchu, Rosa Parks, Eva Peron, Mary Robinson, Susan Sontag, Marie Curie, among many others, are quite remarkable women that have left their mark and are still doing it.

Abookamongstthemany

Byrnzie wrote:

Please name me one female Che Guevara, a female Noam Chomsky, a female Albert Camus, a female Ho chi Min, or a female Malcolm X?

off the top of my head

Arundhati Roy
http://www.myspace.com/weroy

Emma Goldman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman

Medha Patkar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medha_Patkar

Byrnzie

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

off the top of my head

Arundhati Roy
http://www.myspace.com/weroy

Emma Goldman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman

Fair enough. I'd still have to say that you're outnumbered on this one though.

Abookamongstthemany

Byrnzie wrote:

Fair enough. I'd still have to say that you're outnumbered on this one though.

We're working on it.

Byrnzie

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

We're working on it.

hippiemom

Harriet Tubman

Sojourner Truth

Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Florence Nightengale

Dorothea Dix

Susan B. Anthony

Mother Theresa

Gloria Steinem

Wilma Mankiller

Mukhtaran Bibi

Byrnzie

hippiemom wrote:

Harriet Tubman

Sojourner Truth

Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Florence Nightengale

Dorothea Dix

Susan B. Anthony

Mother Theresa

Gloria Steinem

Wilma Mankiller

Mukhtaran Bibi

Oh stop it already!! :rolleyes:

El_Kabong

gue_barium wrote:

In a sense, in the modern sense, I believe as you do, what you observe. When desperation comes, when hard times come and there is blame to be laid.... Ye Olde Book says it was the woman who gave in to Evil.

yes, dogma, undertones...especially catholicism but certainly other religions...look at honor killings

prism

it's the testosterone poisoning that makes men behave like assholes

NMyTree

I was afraid this would turn into an over-sensitive and defensive males vs. females debate; and it has. That was not my intentions.

I thought I made myself clear at the end of my thread starter post; but it looks like I am mistaken.

My main point here is for us men (and women too) to look at ourselves with honesty, accountability and responsibility; and discuss this issue without blaming others or playing the whole "oh, but look at women...they're just as bad" game. Afterall, that's what taking responsibility and being acountable means. Honest self-inspection and honest evaluation of us......the males and what we as individuals can do to improve ourselves and our behaviors.

We can always play the "men vs. women " game in another thread.

Jeanwah

NMyTree wrote:

I was afraid this would turn into an over-sensitive and defensive males vs. females debate; and it has. That was not my intentions.

I thought I made myself clear at the end of my thread starter post; but it looks like I am mistaken.

My main point here is for us men (and women too) to look at ourselves with honesty, accountability and responsibility; and discuss this issue without blaming others or playing the whole "oh, but look at women...they're just as bad" game. Afterall, that's what taking responsibility and being acountable means. Honest self-inspection and honest evaluation of us......the males and what we as individuals can do to improve ourselves and our behaviors.

I think what happened to your thread is that there will always be people (that's right, both sexes) who are unable to look at themselves objectively and proceed to be reactionary and defensive. It was bound to happen.

Derrick

gue_barium wrote:

You're using the ape-thing, and ignoring culture and art. Biology isn't everything. Even among apes, at least among the bonobos, sex is used as the release for communal differences.

How does any of this have anything to do with what I've said in the least?

- I'm sure there exists culture/art that represent my statements
- I'm sure there exists culture/are that shows situations contrary to my statements
- I'm sure there exists culture/art that is independent of my statements.

I'm only ignoring it because it is not central to the point I am making, which is that the more sexually aggressive gender in humans also happens to be the more powerful gender (typically), and as such, among 6 billion people, you're going to see situations where males exploit their physical power over females in order to achieve sexual or other goals.

You could argue they imitate art or culture or whatever. And yes, some cultures do enforce rules (both written and unwritten) pertaining to gender roles. I would argue our biology existed LONG before our art and culture did.

You can educate all you want, but innate urges in the weak-minded (those who lack self-discipline) will prevail from time to time. And occasionally when that happens, you will read about it in the paper.