Hezbollah brainwashes youths into strapping themselves with explosives and strapnel soaked in poison. They direct them to 100% civillian targets and have them end their life and the lives of as many inocent women and children as they can possibly kill. Oh, I'm sorry... did you have a point?
yes, a key point was:
"treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal. "
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, a key point was:
"treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal. "
his post mentioned innocents, aka "civilians", being killed by palestinians as well. not that I agree with either sides' tactics, but they've both committed atrocities against innocents and civilians.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
Well then I guess you believe that civilian collateral is also acceptable to meet your desire as well.....and for that matter I believe these indivduals would not care what was used.....thats the understanding I received.....
it's not my desire. you criticized folks for "cheering" for the israelis. I was just pointing out that that is their right if they have strong feelings for the Israeli cause.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
I guess no body listened when us "anti-semites" were saying Israel was using cluster bombs, white phosphorous and DU weapons in Lebanon. We were just called anti-semitic and fearmongers. But we already had the proof, the rest of you just ignored it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
his post mentioned innocents, aka "civilians", being killed by palestinians as well. not that I agree with either sides' tactics, but they've both committed atrocities against innocents and civilians.
the means and impacts are not proportional ... the suffering is definitely skewed for the people with the weapons ...
the means and impacts are not proportional ... the suffering is definitely skewed for the people with the weapons ...
Suffering can't be quantified. If you're talking about deaths, compare suicide bomb deaths to civilians killed by Israeli bombs in the past 10 years or so. I have no idea what the numbers are, but I do know that I've heard many more stories involving suicides than I have bombings.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
it's not my desire. you criticized folks for "cheering" for the israelis. I was just pointing out that that is their right if they have strong feelings for the Israeli cause.
I said those were the people labelling myself and others that believed the early stories of using these weapons as untrue and therefore we were somewhat anti-Semite.....as for rights it is also my right to be against something that causes more civilian death than a "terrorists" death....everyday news was the brutality of an Israeli citizen getting killed from a missle attack yet how many Lebonese died????
The real civilian tragedy happened in Lebanon and it was not portrayed that way.....Israel plays the anti-Semite card anytime someone fails to agree with them....its getting really old and tiresome already.....if you wanna 100% support Israel fine by me but don't go stepping on me saying I am an anti-Semite because I disagree with their agenda in the reigon (and no I was not making this comment towards yourself)......
Suffering can't be quantified. If you're talking about deaths, compare suicide bomb deaths to civilians killed by Israeli bombs in the past 10 years or so. I have no idea what the numbers are, but I do know that I've heard many more stories involving suicides than I have bombings.
if you are talking about the palestinian case - if we factor in sanctions and controls put forth by israelis - the disproportion of deaths will also skew higher towards the palestinian side ...
if you are talking about the palestinian case - if we factor in sanctions and controls put forth by israelis - the disproportion of deaths will also skew higher towards the palestinian side ...
Do the Isrealis get bonus points for showing offensive restraint for so long? No shit they whooped the living hell out of them when they attacked....no doubt.
I like the way you twist my question about deaths into another impossibly quantifieable statistic in counting deaths caused by "sanctions and controls". Nice job of avoiding the actual facts.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
Do the Isrealis get bonus points for showing offensive restraint for so long? No shit they whooped the living hell out of them when they attacked....no doubt.
I like the way you twist my question about deaths into another impossibly quantifieable statistic in counting deaths caused by "sanctions and controls". Nice job of avoiding the actual facts.
its not about avoiding the facts but if you don't understand that it is the suffering caused by "sanctions and controls" that "makes" people strap bombs to themselves ...
restraint?? ... do the palestinians get bonus points for being treated like farm animals all these years??
its not about avoiding the facts but if you don't understand that it is the suffering caused by "sanctions and controls" that "makes" people strap bombs to themselves ...
restraint?? ... do the palestinians get bonus points for being treated like farm animals all these years??
How many times have the israelis made concessions at the bargaining table, followed through on those concessions, only for peace to soon be broken again by ensuing suicide bombings.
you're not going to get me into some mode of defending israel when I don't believe they deserve defense in many of their actions. with that said, it's extremely frustrating to try and argue with someone who refuses to see both sides.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
its not about avoiding the facts but if you don't understand that it is the suffering caused by "sanctions and controls" that "makes" people strap bombs to themselves ...
restraint?? ... do the palestinians get bonus points for being treated like farm animals all these years??
LOL, so the Palestinians were "made" to be suicide bombers is that right? They had no choice did they? That was their only means of recourse, right?
The Palestinians held an election earlier this year. They elected a known terrorist organization to lead their government. The principle focus of that government is the removal of Israel. Hamas will not even recognize the country that as you would say "treats them like farm animals". How can a mature dialouge occur when one side won't even recognize the other?
Israel even gave Gaza back to these people, uprooting their own citizens by military force, with much of its agricultural infastructure in tact, including dozens of greenhouses to help their economy. But what did the Palestinians do as soon they moved in? They torched and looted almost all the greenhouses. Not to mention all the time they spent destroying all the Synagogues...
I'm not saying Israel has not done any wrong in this situation. Surely they have blood on their hands too. But there isn't a country in the world today who's borders aren't the result of some conflict or war at some point in history.
It's past time Palestine matures and moves towards the future. The reality is that Israel is one of the strongest countries in the world, and is supported by THE strongest. Palestinians can keep teaching hate to their younger generations and keep on sacrificing their sons and daughters over hurt-pride. Or they can get on with the business of building towards the future.
Until I see signs that they are taking steps in a positive direction, instead of murdering and kidnapping whilte claiming "victimhood", I will have no sympathy for their condition.
How many times have the israelis made concessions at the bargaining table, followed through on those concessions, only for peace to soon be broken again by ensuing suicide bombings.
you're not going to get me into some mode of defending israel when I don't believe they deserve defense in many of their actions. with that said, it's extremely frustrating to try and argue with someone who refuses to see both sides.
short of going into the whole israel/palestine thing ...
what points indicate that i don't see both sides?? ... all i stated was that the suffering was not proportional ... is that wrong?? ... i don't think so ...
LOL, so the Palestinians were "made" to be suicide bombers is that right? They had no choice did they? That was their only means of recourse, right?
The Palestinians held an election earlier this year. They elected a known terrorist organization to lead their government. The principle focus of that government is the removal of Israel. Hamas will not even recognize the country that as you would say "treats them like farm animals". How can a mature dialouge occur when one side won't even recognize the other?
Israel even gave Gaza back to these people, uprooting their own citizens by military force, with much of its agricultural infastructure in tact, including dozens of greenhouses to help their economy. But what did the Palestinians do as soon they moved in? They torched and looted almost all the greenhouses. Not to mention all the time they spent destroying all the Synagogues...
I'm not saying Israel has not done any wrong in this situation. Surely they have blood on their hands too. But there isn't a country in the world today who's borders aren't the result of some conflict or war at some point in history.
It's past time Palestine matures and moves towards the future. The reality is that Israel is one of the strongest countries in the world, and is supported by THE strongest. Palestinians can keep teaching hate to their younger generations and keep on sacrificing their sons and daughters over hurt-pride. Or they can get on with the business of building towards the future.
Until I see signs that they are taking steps in a positive direction, instead of murdering and kidnapping whilte claiming "victimhood", I will have no sympathy for their condition.
the thing is ... the palestinians had 2 choices ... and one of them was a blatantly corrupt organization ... wasn't sinn fein the political wing of the IRA?? ... what's the difference? ...
yes ... they gave up gaza but they are expanding elsewhere and building more checkpoints preventing people from getting to their farms and work ...
Suffering can't be quantified. If you're talking about deaths, compare suicide bomb deaths to civilians killed by Israeli bombs in the past 10 years or so. I have no idea what the numbers are, but I do know that I've heard many more stories involving suicides than I have bombings.
seeing the "west" denies palestine's existence and suffering, it's inevitable that the media will give a shit either.
when there's a suicide attack, journalists and photographers congregate in their masses. when an israeli tank destroys a house and kills its inhabitants, it's, "meh, only arabs/terrorists/etc". it's happening, there's just no coverage.
I guess no body listened when us "anti-semites" were saying Israel was using cluster bombs, white phosphorous and DU weapons in Lebanon. We were just called anti-semitic and fearmongers. But we already had the proof, the rest of you just ignored it.
.............
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Na na na na na na, ha ha ha ha ha ha! I got you kind of!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Once again, I don't really recall anyone saying that the Israelis weren't using cluster bombs, or WP, or DU (although is there evidence of the latter?) ... It was in media reports throughout the war. Cluster bombs are used in almost all modern battles that involve a decent airforce doing ground support missions. You guys don't know a lot about weapons, so you assume that these are some esoteric, odd WMD-type thing. They are not. Cluster bombs are used in Iraq, they were used when NATO attacked Serb positions in the Balkans ... They were used in ALL Arab-Israeli wars from 1973 on. The problem is that civilian areas in Lebanon are doused with bomblets. News reports from months and months ago reported as much.
Once again, I don't really recall anyone saying that the Israelis weren't using cluster bombs, or WP, or DU (although is there evidence of the latter?) ... It was in media reports throughout the war. Cluster bombs are used in almost all modern battles that involve a decent airforce doing ground support missions. You guys don't know a lot about weapons, so you assume that these are some esoteric, odd WMD-type thing. They are not. Cluster bombs are used in Iraq, they were used when NATO attacked Serb positions in the Balkans ... They were used in ALL Arab-Israeli wars from 1973 on. The problem is that civilian areas in Lebanon are doused with bomblets. News reports from months and months ago reported as much.
There is irrefutable evidence that Israel received shipments of DU weapons from the United States during the Israel-Lebanon conflict. These weapons were namely GBU-28s.
I actually put together an email and sent it to my friends and family, here is a copy of that email.
Yesterday on Alex Jones radio show:
Alex speaks depleted uranium expert, Dr. Doug Rokke about Israel's use of
D.U. weapons in the current conflict in Lebanon.
Dr. Rokke, states that Israel purchased GBU-28 which is commonly known as a "bunker buster" and contains depleted uranium.
According to U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis a recent news article, the U.S. has shipped 100, 5,000 pound GBU-28s to Israel for use in Lebanon.
According to Rokke and many websites, including HowStuffWorks.com, the GBU-28 is infact a 5,000 pound depleted uranium bomb.
U-238 is a radioactive metal that produces alpha and beta particles. In its solid form, it is not particularly dangerous because its half-life is 4.5 billion years, meaning that the atomic decay is very slow. Depleted uranium is used, for example, in boats and airplanes as ballast. The three properties that make depleted uranium useful in penetrating weapons are its:
Density - Depleted uranium is 1.7 times heavier than lead, and 2.4 times heavier than steel.
The reality is, the infamous "dirty bomb" is basically the same thing. The only difference being that the RDD is actually designed to spread the isotopes.
Does Israel use Depleted Uranium? http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government...the%20 Durban
These states would have us believe that they are anti-Zionist, not antisemitic, but again and again this lie is disproved. What are the despicable caricatures of Jews that fill the Arab press and are being circulated at this Conference: what are the vicious libels so freely invented and disseminated by our enemies - about the use of poison gas, or depleted uranium bullets, or injecting babies with the Aids virus - if not the reincarnation of age-old antisemitic canards?
http://wwwterrorista.mfa.gov.il/mfa/...20majo r%20ge
want to speak about the military situation around the compound of Arafat. There is a lot of disinformation that is given by the Palestinians - not a very new phenomenon. Remember their saying that Israeli Mossad is responsible for the demolition of the Twin Towers in New York, that Israeli soldiers are giving poisoned candies to the Palestinian children, etc. They also say that Israel is using uranium.
http://www.nic.gov.il/MFA/Archive/Ar...0-%2030-Apr-96
"Phalanx" guns, which are in service in both the US and Israeli navies, and are designed to intercept very short-range sea-to-sea missiles. The heart of the system is a radar-directed "gatling" gun with six 20 mm barrels. When a sea-to-sea missile approaches a ship, at a height of only a few meters, and generally at sub-sonic speed, the radar locks onto the missile and immediately activates the cannon that fires a "lead screen" of shells made from depleted uranium, which hit the missile and explode it.
http://www.mod.gov.il/pages/mafat/pdfs/2005-11.pdf
Land Based Phalanx Takes Aim At Rockets, Artillery and Mortars.
Translated by Shiraz from Israel
"Its some kind of a "magazine" called "world military R&D", which presents all kind of world wide military R&D mini-articals. that link is for 11/2005 issue, and the specific research you're talking about is related to the US army.
Here it is:
Basically it tells us that the *US* army improved the old "Phalanx" system (an interception system for rockets, missiles, artillery & Mortars who was once used only in ships), by adding it an IR (Infra-Red) sophisticated camera, advanced video system to catch up any movments, several radar systems, some kind of weapon system and a special arming (doesn't say exactly what it is). This mobiled improved system was designed for the war in Iraq as a defensive tool for US soliders."
All Israeli government websites
Aren't they shipping 100 GBU-28s? They are bigger bombs, 5,000 lbs U-238 "bunker busters". It's the US's radioactive waste from uranium enrichment. See uranium ore has about 5% U-235 which is needed for nuclear fuel, the rest is U-238 which they make into bombs to drop on the arabs.
Hardness - If you look at a Web site like WebElements.com, you can see that the Brinell hardness of U-238 is 2,400, which is just shy of tungsten at 2,570. Iron is 490. Depleted uranium alloyed with a small amount of titanium is even harder.
Incendiary properties - Depleted uranium burns. It is something like magnesium in this regard. If you heat uranium up in an oxygen environment (normal air), it will ignite and burn with an extremely intense flame. Once inside the target, burning uranium is another part of the bomb's destructive power.
These three properties make depleted uranium an obvious choice when creating advanced bunker-busting bombs. With depleted uranium, it is possible to create extremely heavy, strong and narrow bombs that have tremendous penetrating force.
The problem with depleted uranium is the fact that it is radioactive. The United States uses tons on depleted uranium on the battlefield. At the end of the conflict, this leaves tons of radioactive material in the environment. For example, Time magazine: Balkan Dust Storm reports:
NATO aircraft rained more than 30,000 DU shells on Kosovo during the 11-week air campaign… About 10 tons of the debris were scattered across Kosovo.
Perhaps 300 tons of DU weapons were used in the first Gulf war. When it burns, DU forms a uranium-oxide smoke that is easily inhaled and that settles on the ground miles from the point of use. Once inhaled or ingested, depleted-uranium smoke can do a great deal of damage to the human body because of its radioactivity. See How Nuclear Radiation Works for details.
Notice the MFA denial of using chemical/DU weapons.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Awwe go easy on 'em. Israel is like the kid that's always getting beat up for "doing nothing". You know that kid...always starting shit and then crying foul when someone smacks 'em down.
Let Israel have their unreligious star that apparently means nothing. I think the Phosphorus bombs are dope. Weapons aren't supposed to be humane.
his post mentioned innocents, aka "civilians", being killed by palestinians as well. not that I agree with either sides' tactics, but they've both committed atrocities against innocents and civilians.
and this is a thread about lebanon, not palestine....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Suffering can't be quantified. If you're talking about deaths, compare suicide bomb deaths to civilians killed by Israeli bombs in the past 10 years or so. I have no idea what the numbers are, but I do know that I've heard many more stories involving suicides than I have bombings.
according to amnesty international israel kills 5 palestinian chidlren for every 1 israeli child killed, for adults i believe the numbers are something like 3:1. also there's the large number of palestinian children living w/ severe malnutrition largely b/c of the israelis
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, claims regarding "chemical weapons" are indeed unsubstantiated. Phosphorous bombs are not WMD-style poison gas weapons. They are more along the lines of napalm, grotesque, but not in the same category. I think people get a bit tired of the language spin.
When it is Saddam using this nasty shit that takes your flesh off down to the bone, the pentagon refers to it as a chemical weapon.
A. IRAQ'S POSSIBLE EMPLOYMENT OF PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL
WEAPONS -- IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES'
OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR
STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL
CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL
TO
PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE
PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE
POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN
BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI
BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ.
A. IRAQ'S POSSIBLE EMPLOYMENT OF PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL
WEAPONS -- IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES'
OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR
STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL
CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL
TO
PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE
PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE
POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN
BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI
BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ.
Alrighty, then. WP is NOT a chemical weapon, no matter who is using it.
Here is an Italian documentary on its use in Fallujah. View for yourself. Previously reasonable people could be expected to retaliate with terrorism if their child was burnt with this shit.
Here is an Italian documentary on its use in Fallujah. View for yourself. Previously reasonable people could be expected to retaliate with terrorism if their child was burnt with this shit.
How do you figure? My child gets burnt, so let's go commit suicide and take a bunch of my fellow Iraqis with me?
That's not how most peoples' minds work.
You forgot to mention your child being badly burned by an invading army and you are pretty much defenseless to stop it. What would you do about it? I'm not saying it's right by any means but it's time people stopped demonizing these people and starting trying to understand their problems.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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yes, a key point was:
"treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal. "
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
his post mentioned innocents, aka "civilians", being killed by palestinians as well. not that I agree with either sides' tactics, but they've both committed atrocities against innocents and civilians.
it's not my desire. you criticized folks for "cheering" for the israelis. I was just pointing out that that is their right if they have strong feelings for the Israeli cause.
the means and impacts are not proportional ... the suffering is definitely skewed for the people with the weapons ...
Suffering can't be quantified. If you're talking about deaths, compare suicide bomb deaths to civilians killed by Israeli bombs in the past 10 years or so. I have no idea what the numbers are, but I do know that I've heard many more stories involving suicides than I have bombings.
I said those were the people labelling myself and others that believed the early stories of using these weapons as untrue and therefore we were somewhat anti-Semite.....as for rights it is also my right to be against something that causes more civilian death than a "terrorists" death....everyday news was the brutality of an Israeli citizen getting killed from a missle attack yet how many Lebonese died????
The real civilian tragedy happened in Lebanon and it was not portrayed that way.....Israel plays the anti-Semite card anytime someone fails to agree with them....its getting really old and tiresome already.....if you wanna 100% support Israel fine by me but don't go stepping on me saying I am an anti-Semite because I disagree with their agenda in the reigon (and no I was not making this comment towards yourself)......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict
not even close in this particular case ...
if you are talking about the palestinian case - if we factor in sanctions and controls put forth by israelis - the disproportion of deaths will also skew higher towards the palestinian side ...
Do the Isrealis get bonus points for showing offensive restraint for so long? No shit they whooped the living hell out of them when they attacked....no doubt.
I like the way you twist my question about deaths into another impossibly quantifieable statistic in counting deaths caused by "sanctions and controls". Nice job of avoiding the actual facts.
its not about avoiding the facts but if you don't understand that it is the suffering caused by "sanctions and controls" that "makes" people strap bombs to themselves ...
restraint?? ... do the palestinians get bonus points for being treated like farm animals all these years??
How many times have the israelis made concessions at the bargaining table, followed through on those concessions, only for peace to soon be broken again by ensuing suicide bombings.
you're not going to get me into some mode of defending israel when I don't believe they deserve defense in many of their actions. with that said, it's extremely frustrating to try and argue with someone who refuses to see both sides.
LOL, so the Palestinians were "made" to be suicide bombers is that right? They had no choice did they? That was their only means of recourse, right?
The Palestinians held an election earlier this year. They elected a known terrorist organization to lead their government. The principle focus of that government is the removal of Israel. Hamas will not even recognize the country that as you would say "treats them like farm animals". How can a mature dialouge occur when one side won't even recognize the other?
Israel even gave Gaza back to these people, uprooting their own citizens by military force, with much of its agricultural infastructure in tact, including dozens of greenhouses to help their economy. But what did the Palestinians do as soon they moved in? They torched and looted almost all the greenhouses. Not to mention all the time they spent destroying all the Synagogues...
I'm not saying Israel has not done any wrong in this situation. Surely they have blood on their hands too. But there isn't a country in the world today who's borders aren't the result of some conflict or war at some point in history.
It's past time Palestine matures and moves towards the future. The reality is that Israel is one of the strongest countries in the world, and is supported by THE strongest. Palestinians can keep teaching hate to their younger generations and keep on sacrificing their sons and daughters over hurt-pride. Or they can get on with the business of building towards the future.
Until I see signs that they are taking steps in a positive direction, instead of murdering and kidnapping whilte claiming "victimhood", I will have no sympathy for their condition.
short of going into the whole israel/palestine thing ...
what points indicate that i don't see both sides?? ... all i stated was that the suffering was not proportional ... is that wrong?? ... i don't think so ...
the thing is ... the palestinians had 2 choices ... and one of them was a blatantly corrupt organization ... wasn't sinn fein the political wing of the IRA?? ... what's the difference? ...
yes ... they gave up gaza but they are expanding elsewhere and building more checkpoints preventing people from getting to their farms and work ...
when there's a suicide attack, journalists and photographers congregate in their masses. when an israeli tank destroys a house and kills its inhabitants, it's, "meh, only arabs/terrorists/etc". it's happening, there's just no coverage.
.............
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Na na na na na na, ha ha ha ha ha ha! I got you kind of!
There is irrefutable evidence that Israel received shipments of DU weapons from the United States during the Israel-Lebanon conflict. These weapons were namely GBU-28s.
I actually put together an email and sent it to my friends and family, here is a copy of that email.
Notice the MFA denial of using chemical/DU weapons.
Let Israel have their unreligious star that apparently means nothing. I think the Phosphorus bombs are dope. Weapons aren't supposed to be humane.
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and this is a thread about lebanon, not palestine....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
according to amnesty international israel kills 5 palestinian chidlren for every 1 israeli child killed, for adults i believe the numbers are something like 3:1. also there's the large number of palestinian children living w/ severe malnutrition largely b/c of the israelis
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I saw an interview of an israeli's ambassador, and he managed to get me really pissed off by saying so.
I'm not making this up. His words were "palestinians are terrorists, and therefor all means to fight are acceptable."
When it is Saddam using this nasty shit that takes your flesh off down to the bone, the pentagon refers to it as a chemical weapon.
No, the Pentagon was referring to Saddam's documented use of poison gas.
Here is a link to the unclassified military document:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_22431050_91r.html
A. IRAQ'S POSSIBLE EMPLOYMENT OF PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL
WEAPONS -- IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES'
OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR
STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL
CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL
TO
PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE
PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE
POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN
BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI
BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ.
Alrighty, then. WP is NOT a chemical weapon, no matter who is using it.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm
How do you figure? My child gets burnt, so let's go commit suicide and take a bunch of my fellow Iraqis with me?
That's not how most peoples' minds work.
You forgot to mention your child being badly burned by an invading army and you are pretty much defenseless to stop it. What would you do about it? I'm not saying it's right by any means but it's time people stopped demonizing these people and starting trying to understand their problems.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde