Israel Admits Phosphorous Bombs Used in Lebanon

Eva7
Eva7 Posts: 226
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
The Israeli government has admitted for the first time that it used controversial phosphorous bombs during its 34-day war campaign in Lebanon. Cabinet Minister Jacob Edery confirmed that the army had used the bombs to attack "military targets" during its war with Hizbollah in July and August. Previously, Israel had said the bombs had only been used to mark out targets. During the conflict, doctors in Lebanon reported treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal.
full article: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-02.htm
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  • meconium
    meconium Posts: 40
    Can we criticize Israel without being labeled "anti-semitic" ??
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i read another cluster bomb killed another kid a few days ago in lebanon while he was trying to work the olive farm ...

    it's fucked up here - you can't say anything bad about israel - if you do - you get shouted down as being some anti-semite ... its pathetic ...
  • meconium
    meconium Posts: 40
    polaris wrote:
    i read another cluster bomb killed another kid a few days ago in lebanon while he was trying to work the olive farm ...

    it's fucked up here - you can't say anything bad about israel - if you do - you get shouted down as being some anti-semite ... its pathetic ...


    israel is a nuclear armed theocracy in the middle east
    ain't that grand??
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    meconium wrote:
    israel is a nuclear armed theocracy in the middle east
    ain't that grand??

    what frustrates me the most is the politiking going on as it relates to israel and the middle east now ... many jewish groups demand an unconditional support of israel here - don't ever criticize israel or we will tell all our people never to vote for your party ...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    meconium wrote:
    Can we criticize Israel without being labeled "anti-semitic" ??

    If you do it in a way that really isn't anti-Semitic, then sure.
    :)
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    meconium wrote:
    israel is a nuclear armed theocracy in the middle east
    ain't that grand??

    Israel isn't a theocracy.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Israel isn't a theocracy.





    Its not? then whats with the flag.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    Its not? then whats with the flag.

    Um, its a flag symbolizing the country. What did you think it was?
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    yosi wrote:
    Um, its a flag symbolizing the country. What did you think it was?


    the star of david is a religious symbol. but its not a theocracy? nevermind...
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    meconium wrote:
    israel is a nuclear armed theocracy in the middle east
    ain't that grand??

    From Wikipedia:

    Many people see the justification of a Jewish state as theocratic, calling on Biblical references of “the children of Israel”. The State of Israel is formally parliamentary democracy. One of the theocratic aspects are the marital courts, where each faith has its own marriage law: Muslim marriage and divorce is handled by Sharia courts, Jewish marriage and divorce is handled by Torah courts, and so on. However, for Jews, rabbinical recognition as a Jew suffices to be entitled to Israeli citizenship, regardless of the birth place and legal ancestry or nationality.

    Also from Wikipedia:

    Israel is a democratic republic with universal suffrage that operates under the parliamentary system.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    the star of david is a religious symbol. but its not a theocracy? nevermind...

    The Star of David doesn't have any religious value. And anyway, just because there is a religous symbol in the flag, doesn't make it a religous country. Your agrument is a fallacy of irrelevant conclusion: an informal fallycy commited whne the premises of an argument purporting to establish one conclusion are actually directed toward some other conclusion. More precisely, your argument is a non sequitur. The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    yosi wrote:
    From Wikipedia:

    Many people see the justification of a Jewish state as theocratic, calling on Biblical references of “the children of Israel”. The State of Israel is formally parliamentary democracy. One of the theocratic aspects are the marital courts, where each faith has its own marriage law: Muslim marriage and divorce is handled by Sharia courts, Jewish marriage and divorce is handled by Torah courts, and so on. However, for Jews, rabbinical recognition as a Jew suffices to be entitled to Israeli citizenship, regardless of the birth place and legal ancestry or nationality.

    Also from Wikipedia:







    Israel is a democratic republic with universal suffrage that operates under the parliamentary system.




    is it a secular democracy? it seems as if they have an official religion.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    is it a secular democracy? it seems as if they have an official religion.

    That doesn't make it a theocracy.

    Theocracy
    One entry found for theocracy.
    Main Entry: the·oc·ra·cy
    Pronunciation: thE-'ä-kr&-sE
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
    Etymology: Greek theokratia, from the- + -kratia -cracy
    1 : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided


    Israel has an official religion, but does not opperate by divine guidance, nor is the "church" in control. There are religious aspects to how the state is run, but that doesn't make it theocratic.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    yosi wrote:
    The Star of David doesn't have any religious value. And anyway, just because there is a religous symbol in the flag, doesn't make it a religous country. Your agrument is a fallacy of irrelevant conclusion: an informal fallycy commited whne the premises of an argument purporting to establish one conclusion are actually directed toward some other conclusion. More precisely, your argument is a non sequitur. The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises.




    No religious value?!!! its very name is religious!!. let me ask you what does it stand for in the flag. what does that the star represent? christians have the cross, muslims have the crecent moon and jews have the star of david. its a as simple as that.
  • Eva7
    Eva7 Posts: 226
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    No religious value?!!! its very name is religious!!. let me ask you what does it stand for in the flag. what does that the star represent? christians have the cross, muslims have the crecent moon and jews have the star of david. its a as simple as that.

    sorry, I don't see the point in this discussion. All the world is ruled by a theocracy, not only Israel. a militarized corporate theocracy.
    http://www.myspace.com/stoikaestinta
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Where are those that, not more than three months ago, denied vehemenlty that Israel would never use cluster bombs and it was, dare I say, anti-Israel to suggest that......

    I also agree that the targeting of those that dare suggest anything negative about Israel is anything but pathetic....but in Canada at the present time that is way to go...just ask our "leader"......one who follows and practices this method of slandering groups & individuals.....
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Eva7 wrote:
    The Israeli government has admitted for the first time that it used controversial phosphorous bombs during its 34-day war campaign in Lebanon. Cabinet Minister Jacob Edery confirmed that the army had used the bombs to attack "military targets" during its war with Hizbollah in July and August. Previously, Israel had said the bombs had only been used to mark out targets. During the conflict, doctors in Lebanon reported treating civilians who appeared to have been hit by the shells, which leave their victims with severe chemical wounds that can be fatal.
    full article: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-02.htm


    thanks eva...can't wait to hear the minions rationalize and excuse it...or they'll just ignore it all together
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Who said on here that Israel doesn't use cluster bombs? Or phosphorous bombs, for that matter? I missed that.
  • Ebizzie
    Ebizzie Posts: 240
    This reminds me of a 14 year old brother trying out new wrestling moves on his 7 year old younger brother when they get into a fight.

    With Israel's military prowess, they had no reason to use these weapons except to either "try them out" or aim for torture from the air. Of course, setting off fragment-laden suicide bombs isn't exactly humane either. Just an ugly situation over there with no end in sight.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Who said on here that Israel doesn't use cluster bombs? Or phosphorous bombs, for that matter? I missed that.

    There were a couple characters that were cheerleading the Isreali's in their "war" with Lebanon......but I will not mention names.....

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