My two cents is that we (the USA GOVT anyways) should have stayed the hell out of the middle east, aquire oil via any other means until we can find some alternative, and let them fight each other all they want. At least then they wouldnt have any real reasons to fuck with us. That said, as to the quagmire we've found ourselves stuck in? Either we should finish what we started and go all out, or leave and let them sink or swim. Kinda like throwin your little kid into the pool, either swim, or drown. Unfortunately, I dont really even think the radical islamic threat is the one to worry about. That one's right in our face, and not usually very good at what they do. Its the other countries out there, that give appearances of common ground. Im not saying the threat isnt real. Theres just much bigger threats out there Im sure. Its a crazy world. It always has been. Every generation thinks theirs is worse than the last one.
Well, if the US stayed the hell out of it all, it would be good for everyone. But unfortunately, one of the reasons of these conflict lies exactly in the US foreign politics and intervention, and the reason why your country is the main economic power in the world is also thanks to such intervention and geopolitical affairs. The more the US interfere with the middle east politics, the more you will have an islamic terrorism threat. It is not clear at this point whether such outcome is welcome to washington, since they are not doing anything serious against such threat.... Yes it is a crazy world, but not illogical... It always takes to study the roots of the madness to find an effective therapy....
I totally agree with Eva. Even more I find it a joke that they need to establish a conference for wednesday for this: when the "crisis" started the so-called world leaders were already together at the G8, and they could have moved faster to find a solution. Even more they decided the wednesday conference last friday and between friday and wednesday there's too many victims...
Hey, but there's really anyone here who believes that these "gentlemen" give a f*** about the suffering of the people? Who, Putin? who is slaughtering civilians since years? Bush??? who is doing the same shit in afghanistan and Iraq and is "authorizing" the massacre in Lebanon with its own weapons given for free? who else is there... Prodi??? who is authorizing weapons delivery from Pisa???... Blair??? who is Bush's right arm???... Merkel, who is now the second strongest ally of Bush??? how can we expect these people, the accomplices of civilian slaughters in Chechnya, Iraq, Palestine and now Lebanon, to do something about all this atrocity, and FOR WHAT? for losing their strong economical interests with the powerful israeli lobby? Forget it! We won't ever see something "humanitarian" from these people. Anything "humanitarian" that they all have ever done was supported by millions of dollars of arms trade. The conference tomorrow is nothing but a farce, one more chance for miss Rice to give her orders to her vassals. Israel will keep on bombing Lebanon and Palestine until Sirya or Iran won't react, and this is exactly what they want. Now I have told you clearly, I hope.
Hey, but there's really anyone here who believes that these "gentlemen" give a f*** about the suffering of the people? Who, Putin? who is slaughtering civilians since years? Bush??? who is doing the same shit in afghanistan and Iraq and is "authorizing" the massacre in Lebanon with its own weapons given for free? who else is there... Prodi??? who is authorizing weapons delivery from Pisa???... Blair??? who is Bush's right arm???... Merkel, who is now the second strongest ally of Bush??? how can we expect these people, the accomplices of civilian slaughters in Chechnya, Iraq, Palestine and now Lebanon, to do something about all this atrocity, and FOR WHAT? for losing their strong economical interests with the powerful israeli lobby? Forget it! We won't ever see something "humanitarian" from these people. Anything "humanitarian" that they all have ever done was supported by millions of dollars of arms trade. The conference tomorrow is nothing but a farce, one more chance for miss Rice to give her orders to her vassals. Israel will keep on bombing Lebanon and Palestine until Sirya or Iran won't react, and this is exactly what they want. Now I have told you clearly, I hope.
Kabong and I are reasonably cool, last I heard. People must have really been ragging on him if he is still bringing this issue up.
not really, i brought it up to point to certain ppl they were hypocrites. you can't tell one person all they do is post articles and links and then kiss another poster's ass who does that, too.
they have no leg to stand on, anyway, their basis for being upset constantly evolves and ends up being circular and making no sense.
like:
he's a liar!
how so?
you claimed i said something that i didn't!
yeah...and then i searched for the post, found i mistook you for someone else and not only said as much in the thread i made the claim in but also pm'd you to apologize, which you never replied to
-silence
he's a liar!
how so?
you are dishonest in your thread titles
which ones
pulls up a single reference which wasn't dishonest...well...it's wasn't so much the thread title as it was what you said in the thread....
and not too long ago ppl bitched that they all knew my opinions and thoughts so i need not include them anymore in articles, let them speak for themselves.
which lead to now
all you do is post links and articles...you never give your opinion on anything and we are all left to wonder what your thoughts on the subject are! you never post an original thought, it's all cut and pasted articles!
which is bs...maybe i don't put much opinion into the initial post but if there's a real reply or question i will answer. you don't even come here much and i'm sure you know my opinions and where i stand on several issues. and i don't understand how i can beat ppl over the head w/ my views if i have none, or at least don't share them and keep them all secret.
anyways...i just thought it was funny that some of the ppl crying that when i post an article i don't put commentary into it were kissing eva's ass when she doesn't put much commentary into her initial posts' either. i knew they wouldn't make the same complaint towards her.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
not really, i brought it up to point to certain ppl they were hypocrites. you can't tell one person all they do is post articles and links and then kiss another poster's ass who does that, too.
they have no leg to stand on, anyway, their basis for being upset constantly evolves and ends up being circular and making no sense.
like:
he's a liar!
how so?
you claimed i said something that i didn't!
yeah...and then i searched for the post, found i mistook you for someone else and not only said as much in the thread i made the claim in but also pm'd you to apologize, which you never replied to
-silence
he's a liar!
how so?
you are dishonest in your thread titles
which ones
pulls up a single reference which wasn't dishonest...well...it's wasn't so much the thread title as it was what you said in the thread....
and not too long ago ppl bitched that they all knew my opinions and thoughts so i need not include them anymore in articles, let them speak for themselves.
which lead to now
all you do is post links and articles...you never give your opinion on anything and we are all left to wonder what your thoughts on the subject are! you never post an original thought, it's all cut and pasted articles!
which is bs...maybe i don't put much opinion into the initial post but if there's a real reply or question i will answer. you don't even come here much and i'm sure you know my opinions and where i stand on several issues. and i don't understand how i can beat ppl over the head w/ my views if i have none, or at least don't share them and keep them all secret.
anyways...i just thought it was funny that some of the ppl crying that when i post an article i don't put commentary into it were kissing eva's ass when she doesn't put much commentary into her initial posts' either. i knew they wouldn't make the same complaint towards her.
This sounds alot like highschool bullshit to me. And I didnt notice any asskissing. I just know eva doesnt flood this place with articles, sans opinions.
This sounds alot like highschool bullshit to me. And I didnt notice any asskissing. I just know eva doesnt flood this place with articles, sans opinions.
Everyone here posts their opinion. Many here post articles. If you don't like em don't read em...it's really not a concept that should seem to be so complicated for you but alas....
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
My point was your pointlessness....which is often.
Everyone here posts their opinion. Many here post articles. If you don't like em don't read em...it's really not a concept that should seem to be so complicated for you but alas....
Hey, I didnt bring it up sweetie. Your buddy did. Question asked, and answered. Its not like im the only one who is amused by kabongs endless posting of articles. And you are in my mind as pointless of a human being as I seem to be to you. FYI.
Hey, I didnt bring it up sweetie. Your buddy did. Question asked, and answered. Its not like im the only one who is amused by kabongs endless posting of articles. And you are in my mind as pointless of a human being as I seem to be to you. FYI.
Have it dude, you obviously need it more than I do.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Have it dude, you obviously need it more than I do.
Have what? you and your boyfriend are overly worried what others think, enough so to ask publicly why. I obliged and answered. As usual, when you dont like the answer, you resort to your holier than thou "i could care less" facade. If you dont care, why are you bothering? And better yet, why is he? Believe me when I say you nor he have anything I need.
Have what? you and your boyfriend are overly worried what others think, enough so to ask publicly why. I obliged and answered. As usual, when you dont like the answer, you resort to your holier than thou "i could care less" facade. If you dont care, why are you bothering? And better yet, why is he? Believe me when I say you nor he have anything I need.
If approached rudely then of course a person is going to reply. You are just filled with contempt and a need for attention. The only thing left for me to do is quit giving it to you. Good luck with your intelligent means of debating. We all know why you do it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If approached rudely then of course a person is going to reply. You are just filled with contempt and a need for attention. The only thing left for me to do is quit giving it to you. Good luck with your intelligent means of debating. We all know why you do it.
Who is approaching who rudely here?
Now if only your amazing powers of reason and deduction could be used for something useful. LMFAO at my posts as a cry for attention. Mirror for abook and her cronies anyone?
Now if only your amazing powers of reason and deduction could be used for something useful. LMFAO at my posts as a cry for attention. Mirror for abook and her cronies anyone?
Please, just let it die dude, no good comes from this sort of thing.
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
Now if only your amazing powers of reason and deduction could be used for something useful. LMFAO at my posts as a cry for attention. Mirror for abook and her cronies anyone?
Forget Eva7 and Puck78... I wanna go to this wedding
To the Lebanese kids, ha? I don't like this picture either, but I'm not gonna be demagogic about it. Do you understand hebrew? Well, I do. These kids are from Kiryat Shmona, maybe one of the most bombed towns in northern Israel since the 80's. Do you know what they wrote?
"Nasralla, I've waited for this all of my life..." "Hizbullah, I hope you'll get what..." and then signed their names.
This, This is what Im talking about. Assuming things just becasue someone said something that matched your point of view and there we have it - the whole world is now thinking these Israeli *kids* and maybe all Israeli kids are evil.
How LOW can you guys go?
And what with this "it was all planed" thing, do you honestly think that we'll allow the kidnapping and killing of our soliders?!? Lady, we are still hoping for info about Ron Arad who was kidnapped about 20 years ago, there is a "reminder" day for him which we are marking via hunging blue balloons or sending them to the sky, our govt still offeres prices for anyone who has new info about him. Does it really sound like we're gonna initiate that kind of kidnapping?
Believe me, if all of it was planed then you wouldn't see 400 dead Lebanses civilians, but 400 dead terrorists, nor our ground troops getting in so late.
Do you know where this whole story came from? Well, its easy. After we moved out Hisbullah was ordered to get rid of its arsenal. our (and not just our, I guess) intelligence clearly wanted to make sure this would actually happen, let alone after the 2003 kidnaps (3 soliders and a civilian named Tenenboim). So we watched Hizbullah (you can even do it with a naked eye, btw), and we've seen how instead of disarming, it started getting more and more weapons and money from Iran, and also building bunkers. Now I'm sure the UN, Lebanon and all the G8 knew about waht's going on with Hizbullah (even a simple civilian in Metulla can see the stuff that are going on across the Lebanese border), and I'm sure that everyone consulted everyone about this delicate situation. But to say Israel had PLANED this whole damned thing = Israel had planed to kill 400 Lebanese civilians, destroy Lebanon, choke its northern part, let her civilians and soliders die & kidnapped and being threatened by a war with Iran.
Has everyone losted their minds? do you honestly think we could have done such a thing, as if we don't have enough troubles? Where is our benefit? Cause if we planed it all then we should get something good out of it, right? Ever since day one the IDF kept telling there's no chance Hizbullah will disappear, only it'll be 50% weaker. Now why should we plan an operation with such a lame goal?
If you want to believe this conspiracy thing go ahead and do so, but leave Israel out of it or at least TRY to dig in some more and use common logic.
To the Lebanese kids, ha? I don't like this picture either, but I'm not gonna be demagogic about it. Do you understand hebrew? Well, I do. These kids are from Kiryat Shmona, maybe one of the most bombed towns in northern Israel since the 80's. Do you know what they wrote?
"Nasralla, I've waited for this all of my life..." "Hizbullah, I hope you'll get what..." and then signed their names.
This, This is what Im talking about. Assuming things just becasue someone said something that matched your point of view and there we have it - the whole world is now thinking these Israeli *kids* and maybe all Israeli kids are evil.
Israeli reservists serving in the Tulkarm area during Operation Defensive Shield were stunned when they opened gifts sent by school children from central Israel. Many of the students wrote them letters in which they encouraged them to disregard the rules and regulations and to kill as many Arabs as possible. Dozens of the letters were sent, mostly from children in the 7th through 10th grades who attend national religious schools.
One reservist said he was eager to open the letter, but he was stunned when he started to read it. "I pray for you that you return home safely, and kill at least ten for me," wrote the pupil. "Screw the rules and spray them. By the way-a good Arab is a dead Arab." Other letters were even more heated. "Let the Palestinians, may God blacken their name, burn in Hell. Punch holes in them with your M-16 and bomb them," wrote one of the teens. Another wrote, "I have a special request for you-kill as many Arabs as you can." In another letter, a pupil wished the soldier success in his mission and added, "Say, isn't it fun to shoot an Arab? Here's a slogan: a good Arab is a dead Arab. A top notch Arab is a buried Arab."
Most of the letters contained similar statements. Some of the teenagers, who are supposed to be drafted in another two years, said they regretted not being able to take part in the "action" now. The reservist who opened the first letter mentioned above gathered all the letters and sent them to the Jewish Action Center. "I read the letters and couldn't believe my eyes," he said. "We keep talking about the hateful incitement of the Palestinian educational system towards Israel, and suddenly it happens here with us, beneath everyone's nose. This issue simply frightens me and has to set off alarms in our educational system."
The director of the public department at the Jewish Action Center sent a letter to the Education Minister demanding she investigate the situation and curb "trends towards radicalization." The ministry said it will investigate.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Israeli reservists serving in the Tulkarm area during Operation Defensive Shield were stunned when they opened gifts sent by school children from central Israel. Many of the students wrote them letters in which they encouraged them to disregard the rules and regulations and to kill as many Arabs as possible. Dozens of the letters were sent, mostly from children in the 7th through 10th grades who attend national religious schools.
One reservist said he was eager to open the letter, but he was stunned when he started to read it. "I pray for you that you return home safely, and kill at least ten for me," wrote the pupil. "Screw the rules and spray them. By the way-a good Arab is a dead Arab." Other letters were even more heated. "Let the Palestinians, may God blacken their name, burn in Hell. Punch holes in them with your M-16 and bomb them," wrote one of the teens. Another wrote, "I have a special request for you-kill as many Arabs as you can." In another letter, a pupil wished the soldier success in his mission and added, "Say, isn't it fun to shoot an Arab? Here's a slogan: a good Arab is a dead Arab. A top notch Arab is a buried Arab."
Most of the letters contained similar statements. Some of the teenagers, who are supposed to be drafted in another two years, said they regretted not being able to take part in the "action" now. The reservist who opened the first letter mentioned above gathered all the letters and sent them to the Jewish Action Center. "I read the letters and couldn't believe my eyes," he said. "We keep talking about the hateful incitement of the Palestinian educational system towards Israel, and suddenly it happens here with us, beneath everyone's nose. This issue simply frightens me and has to set off alarms in our educational system."
The director of the public department at the Jewish Action Center sent a letter to the Education Minister demanding she investigate the situation and curb "trends towards radicalization." The ministry said it will investigate.
2002, are you kidding me? is that the best you got? One incident from 2002, which was well published at local media and then was investigated?
God, this is pathetic. You are catually doing everything you can to see it in a specific fixed way.
Comments
what's your point?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, if the US stayed the hell out of it all, it would be good for everyone. But unfortunately, one of the reasons of these conflict lies exactly in the US foreign politics and intervention, and the reason why your country is the main economic power in the world is also thanks to such intervention and geopolitical affairs. The more the US interfere with the middle east politics, the more you will have an islamic terrorism threat. It is not clear at this point whether such outcome is welcome to washington, since they are not doing anything serious against such threat.... Yes it is a crazy world, but not illogical... It always takes to study the roots of the madness to find an effective therapy....
Hey, but there's really anyone here who believes that these "gentlemen" give a f*** about the suffering of the people? Who, Putin? who is slaughtering civilians since years? Bush??? who is doing the same shit in afghanistan and Iraq and is "authorizing" the massacre in Lebanon with its own weapons given for free? who else is there... Prodi??? who is authorizing weapons delivery from Pisa???... Blair??? who is Bush's right arm???... Merkel, who is now the second strongest ally of Bush??? how can we expect these people, the accomplices of civilian slaughters in Chechnya, Iraq, Palestine and now Lebanon, to do something about all this atrocity, and FOR WHAT? for losing their strong economical interests with the powerful israeli lobby? Forget it! We won't ever see something "humanitarian" from these people. Anything "humanitarian" that they all have ever done was supported by millions of dollars of arms trade. The conference tomorrow is nothing but a farce, one more chance for miss Rice to give her orders to her vassals. Israel will keep on bombing Lebanon and Palestine until Sirya or Iran won't react, and this is exactly what they want. Now I have told you clearly, I hope.
www.amnesty.org.uk
don't ask me twice, I could take you seriously
not really, i brought it up to point to certain ppl they were hypocrites. you can't tell one person all they do is post articles and links and then kiss another poster's ass who does that, too.
they have no leg to stand on, anyway, their basis for being upset constantly evolves and ends up being circular and making no sense.
like:
he's a liar!
how so?
you claimed i said something that i didn't!
yeah...and then i searched for the post, found i mistook you for someone else and not only said as much in the thread i made the claim in but also pm'd you to apologize, which you never replied to
-silence
he's a liar!
how so?
you are dishonest in your thread titles
which ones
pulls up a single reference which wasn't dishonest...well...it's wasn't so much the thread title as it was what you said in the thread....
and not too long ago ppl bitched that they all knew my opinions and thoughts so i need not include them anymore in articles, let them speak for themselves.
which lead to now
all you do is post links and articles...you never give your opinion on anything and we are all left to wonder what your thoughts on the subject are! you never post an original thought, it's all cut and pasted articles!
which is bs...maybe i don't put much opinion into the initial post but if there's a real reply or question i will answer. you don't even come here much and i'm sure you know my opinions and where i stand on several issues. and i don't understand how i can beat ppl over the head w/ my views if i have none, or at least don't share them and keep them all secret.
anyways...i just thought it was funny that some of the ppl crying that when i post an article i don't put commentary into it were kissing eva's ass when she doesn't put much commentary into her initial posts' either. i knew they wouldn't make the same complaint towards her.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Are you being intentionally dense? Your pal asked, we answered. Which point did you miss?>
This sounds alot like highschool bullshit to me. And I didnt notice any asskissing. I just know eva doesnt flood this place with articles, sans opinions.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
My point was your pointlessness....which is often.
Everyone here posts their opinion. Many here post articles. If you don't like em don't read em...it's really not a concept that should seem to be so complicated for you but alas....
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Hey, I didnt bring it up sweetie. Your buddy did. Question asked, and answered. Its not like im the only one who is amused by kabongs endless posting of articles. And you are in my mind as pointless of a human being as I seem to be to you. FYI.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Have it dude, you obviously need it more than I do.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
Can I be the bridesmaid/bestman?
Have what? you and your boyfriend are overly worried what others think, enough so to ask publicly why. I obliged and answered. As usual, when you dont like the answer, you resort to your holier than thou "i could care less" facade. If you dont care, why are you bothering? And better yet, why is he? Believe me when I say you nor he have anything I need.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
If approached rudely then of course a person is going to reply. You are just filled with contempt and a need for attention. The only thing left for me to do is quit giving it to you. Good luck with your intelligent means of debating. We all know why you do it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Who is approaching who rudely here?
Now if only your amazing powers of reason and deduction could be used for something useful. LMFAO at my posts as a cry for attention. Mirror for abook and her cronies anyone?
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Please, just let it die dude, no good comes from this sort of thing.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
So, I should be the bigger man and let her have her last little barb then? Nah, being the bigger man is for pussies.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Forget Eva7 and Puck78... I wanna go to this wedding
It'd have to be a shotgun wedding. And it wouldnt be me or mine holding that gun.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
I don't understand your hostility towards her, seems like a pretty level headed poster to me. You two need to watch Full House together or something
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
http://www.captiveminds.org/misc/letter.htm
"DEAR SOLDIER, PLEASE KILL A LOT OF ARABS"
Source: Yedioth Ahronoth, May 7, 2002
Israeli reservists serving in the Tulkarm area during Operation Defensive Shield were stunned when they opened gifts sent by school children from central Israel. Many of the students wrote them letters in which they encouraged them to disregard the rules and regulations and to kill as many Arabs as possible. Dozens of the letters were sent, mostly from children in the 7th through 10th grades who attend national religious schools.
One reservist said he was eager to open the letter, but he was stunned when he started to read it. "I pray for you that you return home safely, and kill at least ten for me," wrote the pupil. "Screw the rules and spray them. By the way-a good Arab is a dead Arab." Other letters were even more heated. "Let the Palestinians, may God blacken their name, burn in Hell. Punch holes in them with your M-16 and bomb them," wrote one of the teens. Another wrote, "I have a special request for you-kill as many Arabs as you can." In another letter, a pupil wished the soldier success in his mission and added, "Say, isn't it fun to shoot an Arab? Here's a slogan: a good Arab is a dead Arab. A top notch Arab is a buried Arab."
Most of the letters contained similar statements. Some of the teenagers, who are supposed to be drafted in another two years, said they regretted not being able to take part in the "action" now. The reservist who opened the first letter mentioned above gathered all the letters and sent them to the Jewish Action Center. "I read the letters and couldn't believe my eyes," he said. "We keep talking about the hateful incitement of the Palestinian educational system towards Israel, and suddenly it happens here with us, beneath everyone's nose. This issue simply frightens me and has to set off alarms in our educational system."
The director of the public department at the Jewish Action Center sent a letter to the Education Minister demanding she investigate the situation and curb "trends towards radicalization." The ministry said it will investigate.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
2002, are you kidding me? is that the best you got? One incident from 2002, which was well published at local media and then was investigated?
God, this is pathetic. You are catually doing everything you can to see it in a specific fixed way.