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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    ok, but I don't even think it is possible for me as an individual to have a 'real life', or any one person for that matter. The only person I think who has lived a 'real life' is your God, which for some is different, mine would be Jesus.

    again ... inconsequential ... accept the things that are important and live your life accordingly ... we can all easily evaluate the lives we live and determine what aspects are most important ... most of us are living a manufactured life - one in which others are determining what matters for their own gain ...
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I think that would be called a utopia. As humans we are imperfect beings, and our 'real life' is always going to be filled with fears, selfishness, and strife. Certainly you can limit the amount of these in your 'real life', but they will always be there in some form.

    wow; then i live in utopia. i didn't realize things were so bad out there. i don't lock doors nor do i remove keys from vehicles. everyone helps and watches out for eachother and we watch out for eachothers children. last year the biggest crime was a barking dog disturbing the peace. i've moved 8 times and lived in 3 different states since 1974 and i've never locked my doors. i guess it depends on where you live; or where you'll settle on living. i spent my first 20 adult years living in lake county illinois; did things change that much?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    polaris wrote:
    its only utopia in that you expect the rest of the world to follow this mantra ... but its not when one follows it on their own ...

    its part of her message ... it doesn't essentially matter what others are doing rather what you yourself can do ...

    well put. i live for myself. i do what i want and live how i want. out here we say the most important right is the right to be left alone. our neighbors lives are private but we help when it's needed. people have a responsability to their community. if your community has gone to hell you must ask yourself what you DIDN'T do to stop it.
  • Eva7
    Eva7 Posts: 226
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I think that would be called a utopia. As humans we are imperfect beings, and our 'real life' is always going to be filled with fears, selfishness, and strife. Certainly you can limit the amount of these in your 'real life', but they will always be there in some form.

    Yes, but any aspect of human nature can be exploited and manipulated from outside powers. If you get independent from those powers (simply by your free mind), you have more chances to live your real fears and selfishness. Fear and selfishness are natural and necessary for surviving. False fears and induced selfishness (usually leading to a basic culture of individualism, and basically producing mass ignorance) have always been the powerful tools of propaganda. It is only matter to discern.
    http://www.myspace.com/stoikaestinta
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    onelongsong wrote:
    well put. i live for myself. i do what i want and live how i want. out here we say the most important right is the right to be left alone. our neighbors lives are private but we help when it's needed. people have a responsability to their community. if your community has gone to hell you must ask yourself what you DIDN'T do to stop it.

    absolutely ... i have visions of another phase in my life that would be similar to yours ... a group of friends and i want to open an off-the grid B and B somewhere ... grow our own food - take people kayaking, etc ... a place that's part of a community where not everyone is out solely for themselves ...
  • Eva7
    Eva7 Posts: 226
    onelongsong wrote:
    wow; then i live in utopia. i didn't realize things were so bad out there. i don't lock doors nor do i remove keys from vehicles. everyone helps and watches out for eachother and we watch out for eachothers children. last year the biggest crime was a barking dog disturbing the peace. i've moved 8 times and lived in 3 different states since 1974 and i've never locked my doors. i guess it depends on where you live; or where you'll settle on living. i spent my first 20 adult years living in lake county illinois; did things change that much?

    wow, that sounds like where I live! only problem here that our places are too far away!!! :)
    http://www.myspace.com/stoikaestinta
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Eva7 wrote:
    wow, that sounds like where I live! only problem here that our places are too far away!!! :)

    the further the better. i just entered a land deal for another 1240 acres in the last pristine area of america.
  • yiorgis
    yiorgis Posts: 34
    Eva7 wrote:
    Sorry, I just need to explain this better.

    I have been searching the truth about 911 since day sept 12 2001. And like me, some other thousands, maybe millions, in the world.
    Now I am just starting to see it in a different light.
    The things I have said, "nevermind", it doesn't mean exactly to give up asking for the truth. I just mean that once you realize the trap, you have to change path. The trap is that asking for the truth is exactly what the rulers of the game wants you to do. because, this way, they show you that you live in a democracy, and you're entitled to do so. But this is a lie. An event like 911 was created, no matter by whom, to have an impact on the public opinion in order to lead such impact to a public consent for further acts and politics. Now the search for the truth has the same exact purpose. This all is a media phenomenon. I am not saying that we can ignore such an huge event, but that we can't ignore it because our life is mainly ruled by media phenomenons. And any media phenomenon is there exactly to rule our life and mind. To build public opinion. To create a life style. It all part of the same logic. I say, get out of it.
    I know that asking for the truth is a big thing to ask.Sometimes i can't find truth among every day people.Through all these "garbage" that others try to feed our minds i agree that we should and can find alternatives ways to stand,each one individual and all together at the same time.What is hapenning in American schools it is happening somehow here in Greece too.New books
    of Greek history have erased importand periods and say things in a wrong way.I always say that everything it starts and ends from ourselfs.I can't blame the others for that mess,when i'm sitting in my comfortable couch.
    But sometimes i feel like my hands are tied up and my voice is too weak
  • Eva7
    Eva7 Posts: 226
    yiorgis wrote:
    I know that asking for the truth is a big thing to ask.Sometimes i can't find truth among every day people.Through all these "garbage" that others try to feed our minds i agree that we should and can find alternatives ways to stand,each one individual and all together at the same time.What is hapenning in American schools it is happening somehow here in Greece too.New books
    of Greek history have erased importand periods and say things in a wrong way.I always say that everything it starts and ends from ourselfs.I can't blame the others for that mess,when i'm sitting in my comfortable couch.
    But sometimes i feel like my hands are tied up and my voice is too weak

    I totally share your feelings. And unfortunately our feelings reflex the actual situation, in front of this "big picture" our hands are actually tied up and our voice is too weak. I hate to admit. But at this point, I guess, maybe the only effective thing we can do is to settle a lower goal... To be able to discern "the garbage" and have enough anti-bodies against it is already a big success.
    http://www.myspace.com/stoikaestinta
  • yiorgis
    yiorgis Posts: 34
    Eva7 wrote:
    I totally share your feelings. And unfortunately our feelings reflex the actual situation, in front of this "big picture" our hands are actually tied up and our voice is too weak. I hate to admit. But at this point, I guess, maybe the only effective thing we can do is to settle a lower goal... To be able to discern "the garbage" and have enough anti-bodies against it is already a big success.

    I guess it's something,maybe we must put lower goals to achive, but unfortunately for me i still
    "believe in miracles
    i believe in a better world for you and me"

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