Illusions

Eva7

911 has nothing to do with the point of this post.
Or better, it does, but only as an excuse.....

Some time ago I ran into this article by Alexander Cockburn, who is a liberal journalist that I do esteem:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10931

Now in this article he offers good points in bashing the 911 "conspirators", most important of them the fact that, he suggests, there would be more important social problems that have been somehow kept silenced from the public attention, and the fact that the Bush administration is not so smart to organize such a huge event.

He could be right, though he doesn't offer any answer to many questions.
And mainly, his point remains blocked into the game, a game I think it's time to break.

I actually don't even think, by now, that who perpetrated 911 is the point.
We all know how cruel a group of terrorist or a government or a dictatorship can be. We can make all analysis of the level of democracy in the world as we want, but it is not our analysis that affects history.
The fact is the event of 911 is the product of one system, one if its many side effects, and all details and figures are just propaganda and entertainment for the sharks who profit from our mediawonderland. The only reality of 911 lies in the pain and the death and in the essence of violence of the system we join daily.

I think we need to jump to an higher level. An higher level of humanity that I hardly see happening. But never say never. Conspiracies or not, old Empires or new Empires, maybe our eyes need to focus elsewhere.

Politics, media, Internet, advertising, tv, newspapers, alternative sources, official news, conspiracy theories, investigative researches.... this is a virtual world, propaganda, entertainment.
Illusions.
And all these illusions are affecting life and mind of millions of people in the world. Millions of real people consuming myths (ideology, technology, entertainment) while destroying real communication and human relationships, destroying cultures, destroying ecosystems, destroying lives.

I am just starting to think people should start refusing to be the target of such bombing of illusions and try to get back to live a real life.
I just say, boycott illusions. And if you still like them, at least don't forget what they are.

miller8966

Eva7 wrote:

911 has nothing to do with the point of this post.
Or better, it does, but only as an excuse.....

Some time ago I ran into this article by Alexander Cockburn, who is a liberal journalist that I do esteem:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10931

Now in this article he offers good points in bashing the 911 "conspirators", most important of them the fact that, he suggests, there would be more important social problems that have been somehow kept silenced from the public attention, and the fact that the Bush administration is not so smart to organize such a huge event.

He could be right, though he doesn't offer any answer to many questions.
And mainly, his point remains blocked into the game, a game I think it's time to break.

I actually don't even think, by now, that who perpetrated 911 is the point.
We all know how cruel a group of terrorist or a government or a dictatorship can be. We can make all analysis of the level of democracy in the world as we want, but it is not our analysis that affects history.
The fact is the event of 911 is the product of one system, one if its many side effects, and all details and figures are just propaganda and entertainment for the sharks who profit from our mediawonderland. The only reality of 911 lies in the pain and the death and in the essence of violence of the system we join daily.

I think we need to jump to an higher level. An higher level of humanity that I hardly see happening. But never say never. Conspiracies or not, old Empires or new Empires, maybe our eyes need to focus elsewhere.

Politics, media, Internet, advertising, tv, newspapers, alternative sources, official news, conspiracy theories, investigative researches.... this is a virtual world, propaganda, entertainment.
Illusions.
And all these illusions are affecting life and mind of millions of people in the world. Millions of real people consuming myths (ideology, technology, entertainment) while destroying real communication and human relationships, destroying cultures, destroying ecosystems, destroying lives.

I am just starting to think people should start refusing to be the target of such bombing of illusions and try to get back to live a real life.
I just say, boycott illusions. And if you still like them, at least don't forget what they are.

What is a "real" life.

Eva7

miller8966 wrote:

What is a "real" life.

your question tells me you have lost the answer.

miller8966

Eva7 wrote:

your question tells me you have lost the answer.

im asking a question, i dont see a problem with that.

Eva7

miller8966 wrote:

im asking a question, i dont see a problem with that.

no problem, I have just answered.

miller8966

Eva7 wrote:

no problem, I have just answered.

the matrix.............

yiorgis

I don't disagree with you,the truth about 9/11 is well hiden, we may not never learn the real responsibles for this action or when the truth will be revealed we may not be alive.But the real life you are talking about i think it has to do with asking always for the truth.And the true responsibles for 9/11 whoever they are,they must pay for their crimes instead of walking free like nothing ever hapenned

Eva7

yiorgis wrote:

I don't disagree with you,the truth about 9/11 is well hiden, we may not never learn the real responsibles for this action or when the truth will be revealed we may not be alive.But the real life you are talking about i think it has to do with asking always for the truth.And the true responsibles for 9/11 whoever they are,they must pay for their crimes instead of walking free like nothing ever hapenned

Yes, but.... dealing with reality sometimes tells you to accept some limitations. The truth about 911 won't ever come out, and around this endless research of such truth there are too many speculations turning such search to a trap. The responsibles won't ever pay for this, instead I think they will keep profiting on all this. I think we should start to refuse this game.
I think it is better to address our efforts at something more effective on reality, and this can be made in several ways. boycott tv, for exemple, and stop listening to all the bullshits that politicians say. ....another exemple is what we read. I was shocked to read that some libraries in the US are taking off from the shelves important old books of authors who made our history and culture, since they "don't sell" anymore... that is just a very bad sign to me. And another one is what I suggested in another post about apples... plant your own trees and seeds, if there's anything you can produce or make by yourself, do it. Anything you can do against the market logic that is ruling and destroying this planet and our minds. Anything you can do. The 911 criminals won't ever pay? I say, nevermind. By any means, starting by ourselves, let's build a new world, a new culture and a new society where one day there won't be any place for those criminals, that's what I am saying.

Eva7

Sorry, I just need to explain this better.

I have been searching the truth about 911 since day sept 12 2001. And like me, some other thousands, maybe millions, in the world.
Now I am just starting to see it in a different light.
The things I have said, "nevermind", it doesn't mean exactly to give up asking for the truth. I just mean that once you realize the trap, you have to change path. The trap is that asking for the truth is exactly what the rulers of the game wants you to do. because, this way, they show you that you live in a democracy, and you're entitled to do so. But this is a lie. An event like 911 was created, no matter by whom, to have an impact on the public opinion in order to lead such impact to a public consent for further acts and politics. Now the search for the truth has the same exact purpose. This all is a media phenomenon. I am not saying that we can ignore such an huge event, but that we can't ignore it because our life is mainly ruled by media phenomenons. And any media phenomenon is there exactly to rule our life and mind. To build public opinion. To create a life style. It all part of the same logic. I say, get out of it.

polaris

miller8966 wrote:

the matrix.............

you are so right

miller8966

Eva7 wrote:

Sorry, I just need to explain this better.

I have been searching the truth about 911 since day sept 12 2001. And like me, some other thousands, maybe millions, in the world.
Now I am just starting to see it in a different light.
The things I have said, "nevermind", it doesn't mean exactly to give up asking for the truth. I just mean that once you realize the trap, you have to change path. The trap is that asking for the truth is exactly what the rulers of the game wants you to do. because, this way, they show you that you live in a democracy, and you're entitled to do so. But this is a lie. An event like 911 was created, no matter by whom, to have an impact on the public opinion in order to lead such impact to a public consent for further acts and politics. Now the search for the truth has the same exact purpose. This all is a media phenomenon. I am not saying that we can ignore such an huge event, but that we can't ignore it because our life is mainly ruled by media phenomenons. And any media phenomenon is there exactly to rule our life and mind. To build public opinion. To create a life style. It all part of the same logic. I say, get out of it.

SO you dont think 19 islamic fundamentalists brought down the twin towers??

Rushlimbo

miller8966 wrote:

SO you dont think 19 islamic fundamentalists brought down the twin towers??

So you believe there were 19 hijackers on the two planes that brought the towers down? That is a conspiracy theory I have not heard of. Explain further please.

onelongsong

Eva7 wrote:

911 has nothing to do with the point of this post.
Or better, it does, but only as an excuse.....

Some time ago I ran into this article by Alexander Cockburn, who is a liberal journalist that I do esteem:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10931

Now in this article he offers good points in bashing the 911 "conspirators", most important of them the fact that, he suggests, there would be more important social problems that have been somehow kept silenced from the public attention, and the fact that the Bush administration is not so smart to organize such a huge event.

He could be right, though he doesn't offer any answer to many questions.
And mainly, his point remains blocked into the game, a game I think it's time to break.

I actually don't even think, by now, that who perpetrated 911 is the point.
We all know how cruel a group of terrorist or a government or a dictatorship can be. We can make all analysis of the level of democracy in the world as we want, but it is not our analysis that affects history.
The fact is the event of 911 is the product of one system, one if its many side effects, and all details and figures are just propaganda and entertainment for the sharks who profit from our mediawonderland. The only reality of 911 lies in the pain and the death and in the essence of violence of the system we join daily.

I think we need to jump to an higher level. An higher level of humanity that I hardly see happening. But never say never. Conspiracies or not, old Empires or new Empires, maybe our eyes need to focus elsewhere.

Politics, media, Internet, advertising, tv, newspapers, alternative sources, official news, conspiracy theories, investigative researches.... this is a virtual world, propaganda, entertainment.
Illusions.
And all these illusions are affecting life and mind of millions of people in the world. Millions of real people consuming myths (ideology, technology, entertainment) while destroying real communication and human relationships, destroying cultures, destroying ecosystems, destroying lives.

I am just starting to think people should start refusing to be the target of such bombing of illusions and try to get back to live a real life.
I just say, boycott illusions. And if you still like them, at least don't forget what they are.

great post dear friend. it really touched me. i can find at least two different versions to any news story. even those which should be simple fact have more than one twist. in these times; the only news you can believe is the report of someones death.

onelongsong

yiorgis wrote:

I don't disagree with you,the truth about 9/11 is well hiden, we may not never learn the real responsibles for this action or when the truth will be revealed we may not be alive.But the real life you are talking about i think it has to do with asking always for the truth.And the true responsibles for 9/11 whoever they are,they must pay for their crimes instead of walking free like nothing ever hapenned

not wanting to change the subject; if you're an american and think the american government is responsable for 9/11; you should be very greatful you have the right to own guns. hitler disarmed germany before starting his rampage. maybe all this gun control rage is an attempt by the government to disarm americans so the government has no resistance from the populous.

miller8966

onelongsong wrote:

not wanting to change the subject; if you're an american and think the american government is responsable for 9/11; you should be very greatful you have the right to own guns. hitler disarmed germany before starting his rampage. maybe all this gun control rage is an attempt by the government to disarm americans so the government has no resistance from the populous.

I can see the point of view in that...and i definetly agree.

We citizens need more guns not less.

onelongsong

miller8966 wrote:

What is a "real" life.

a "real life" is a life you live with freedom and without fear. where you know the facts about events that effect you. a life where you direct your attention to your responsabilities like raising your children and helping the community you live in. a real life is people working together instead of against eachother.
there's a few for you.

Eva7

miller8966 wrote:

SO you dont think 19 islamic fundamentalists brought down the twin towers??

We all saw what happened. what we believe really doesn't matter. well, it matters for those who want us to believe something, whatever it is. I don't believe anything and I don't want to believe in anything that is not under my control.

onelongsong wrote:

not wanting to change the subject; if you're an american and think the american government is responsable for 9/11; you should be very greatful you have the right to own guns. hitler disarmed germany before starting his rampage. maybe all this gun control rage is an attempt by the government to disarm americans so the government has no resistance from the populous.

My friend! There are many ways for resistance. You know that you and me disagree about guns, but I always remember a great song that said: "they've got the guns, we've got the numbers". I think the freedom of mind is the only real weapon.

Eva7

onelongsong wrote:

a "real life" is a life you live with freedom and without fear. where you know the facts about events that effect you. a life where you direct your attention to your responsabilities like raising your children and helping the community you live in. a real life is people working together instead of against eachother.
there's a few for you.

I couldn't have said it better!

The Illinoisemakers

onelongsong wrote:

a "real life" is a life you live with freedom and without fear. where you know the facts about events that effect you. a life where you direct your attention to your responsabilities like raising your children and helping the community you live in. a real life is people working together instead of against eachother.
there's a few for you.

I think that would be called a utopia. As humans we are imperfect beings, and our 'real life' is always going to be filled with fears, selfishness, and strife. Certainly you can limit the amount of these in your 'real life', but they will always be there in some form.

polaris

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

I think that would be called a utopia. As humans we are imperfect beings, and our 'real life' is always going to be filled with fears, selfishness, and strife. Certainly you can limit the amount of these in your 'real life', but they will always be there in some form.

its only utopia in that you expect the rest of the world to follow this mantra ... but its not when one follows it on their own ...

its part of her message ... it doesn't essentially matter what others are doing rather what you yourself can do ...

The Illinoisemakers

polaris wrote:

its only utopia in that you expect the rest of the world to follow this mantra ... but its not when one follows it on their own ...

its part of her message ... it doesn't essentially matter what others are doing rather what you yourself can do ...

ok, but I don't even think it is possible for me as an individual to have a 'real life', or any one person for that matter. The only person I think who has lived a 'real life' is your God, which for some is different, mine would be Jesus.