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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Health care...really?

Every US citizen gets free operations, unlimited hospital treatment, MRI's, catscans, xrays, emergency medical, and essentially everything else performed in a hospital for that matter for free??

fuck me... about time... when exactly did that happen?

Next time just state the obvious so there's no room to dodge the point.

Anon

jeffbr wrote:

Yawn.



Health care we have. The best money can buy. That's why people come here from around the world rather sit in some national health sevice queue hoping they get an operation before they die. Or to be told by their national health service that they don't qualify for a procedure.

That is a completely separate issue from Moore's issue, which is access to health care. But to say we don't have health care is to ignore reality.

Amazing! I am so impressed. You remembered all the talking points in this one. Great job, usually republicans only recall the ones from the past two to three days. That one was at least eight days ago, so we may have to call Guinness and rewrite one with your name.

Anon

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Actually as a whole your system ranks behind Canada's (which is WAY down the list)...your system is great for people with money and since we live in a society where we have class divisions (lower/middle/upper) there is a large % of those who cannot even afford healthcare and it has nothing to do with being lazy and that crap it has to do with the fact that not everyone is going to get great jobs that have great benefits because there is simply not enough of those jobs to cover everyone...therefore you have a flawed system with no net for those that require a more "public" system...ain't saying my system is great saying yours is just as far from perfect.....

A piece of advice. You should only introduce one to two facts at a time when speaking or responding to republicans. They have a lot of trouble recognizing anything that isn't warm and fuzzy.

El_Kabong

jeffbr wrote:

The country as a whole has a health care system. Not perfect, but it exists. Or didn't you know that.

ah, so you were under the assumption that roland that there was no health care system at all in the US? ok, that's where we went wrong, see, i had that pretty much bottom of my list on 'what did roland mean by that comment'

yes, it may shock you but i certainly DO know there exists a health care system in the us! they got the word out pretty good, like those new $20's and $10's....

El_Kabong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Health care...really?

Every US citizen gets free operations, unlimited hospital treatment, MRI's, catscans, xrays, emergency medical, and essentially everything else performed in a hospital for that matter for free??

fuck me... about time... when exactly did that happen?

that's where the 'it's not perfect' comes in

i agree, such a greedy care for profit system is far from perfect

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

It is hard to have dialog with people who make up their own definitions.

well umm....hello....wake up call...that's what real health care is!

That's exactly what I get in regards to my health care....my basic rights ...

I'm speaking from experience...what are you speaking from...wait lemme guess....shall I wipe it for you?

I know the US has some rinky dink thing already...but it's SHITE!

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

no better medical care can be found anywhere.

That's far from the truth.


The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report -

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Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

gue_barium

Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.
Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990


Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960


Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.


Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana


Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.


Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation.


http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm

mookie blaylock 10

thanks for your posts, que barium. very enlightening information.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Took the words right out of my mouth...

boom....there it is...

Rushlimbo

Jesus, the U.S. of A aint number one in yet another category that we believe we are? I feel lied to. Where's John Wayne when we need him?

gue_barium

Rushlimbo wrote:

Jesus, the U.S. of A aint number one in yet another category that we believe we are? I feel lied to. Where's John Wayne when we need him?

Holding a rifle in his coffin.

Rushlimbo

gue_barium wrote:

Holding a rifle in his coffin.

hehehe. and a carton of smokes that didnt give him cancer (or was it filming in the uranium, i mean nevada deserts....)

gue_barium

Rushlimbo wrote:

hehehe. and a carton of smokes that didnt give him cancer (or was it filming in the uranium, i mean nevada deserts....)

Someone really ought to make a statue of John Wayne and Charlton Heston making love to each other.

Now that would be an art piece.

hehee.

El_Kabong

Rushlimbo wrote:

Jesus, the U.S. of A aint number one in yet another category that we believe we are? I feel lied to. Where's John Wayne when we need him?

<tumbleweed blows by>

we have great health care if you can afford it i remember when health insurance meant maybe a $20 fee at the dr's and not too much for Rx's...now you pay so much and have to meet thousands of dollars in deductables before they start really paying...they sell it as 'you take care of the little things like routine doctors visits and we take care of the big things, god forbid' but in reality...what does the avg person (under retirement age) use their insurance for???? it's a fucking scam b/c the pharma/health carefor profit/hmo system is so wealthy and powerful and uses it's lobbyists to, let's be honest here, bribe our 'representatives' in government to look the other way while they screw us while giving them breaks and making it easier to get away w/ their shitty treatment! they can even deny procedures if they feel it's too expensive!

some guy posted here years ago about his dad being sick and needing a transplant (i believe) and the hmo thought it cost too much and might not work so they refused to pay for it...and thanks to our government they are allowed to do this....places like kaiser's using pdr's that are a few years old...cutting costs to make a profit, b/c we all know in our capitalist society last years profits will not be enough this year...

america, fuck yeah!

Rushlimbo

El_Kabong wrote:

<tumbleweed blows by>

we have great health care if you can afford it i remember when health insurance meant maybe a $20 fee at the dr's and not too much for Rx's...now you pay so much and have to meet thousands of dollars in deductables before they start really paying...they sell it as 'you take care of the little things like routine doctors visits and we take care of the big things, god forbid' but in reality...what does the avg person (under retirement age) use their insurance for???? it's a fucking scam b/c the pharma/health carefor profit/hmo system is so wealthy and powerful and uses it's lobbyists to, let's be honest here, bribe our 'representatives' in government to look the other way while they screw us while giving them breaks and making it easier to get away w/ their shitty treatment! they can even deny procedures if they feel it's too expensive!

some guy posted here years ago about his dad being sick and needing a transplant (i believe) and the hmo thought it cost too much and might not work so they refused to pay for it...and thanks to our government they are allowed to do this....places like kaiser's using pdr's that are a few years old...cutting costs to make a profit, b/c we all know in our capitalist society last years profits will not be enough this year...

america, fuck yeah!

Oh, come on now. The pharmaceutical companies are like a second momma to us. I've seen those commercials where they go around on a bus and give free meds to everyone who needs it !! Really !!

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

well umm....hello....wake up call...that's what real health care is!

That's exactly what I get in regards to my health care....my basic rights ...

I'm speaking from experience...what are you speaking from...wait lemme guess....shall I wipe it for you?

I know the US has some rinky dink thing already...but it's SHITE!

Nice try. You've narrowly defined healthcare to be a government run social program. That isn't healthcare. That is one way of administering healthcare. As soon as you learn the languange, and can use words as they're intended you'll be able to have reasoned dialog. Until then I expect nothing but non squiturs and potty jokes from you.

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

Nice try. You've narrowly defined healthcare to be a government run social program. That isn't healthcare. That is one way of administering healthcare. As soon as you learn the languange, and can use words as they're intended you'll be able to have reasoned dialog. Until then I expect nothing but non squiturs and potty jokes from you.

What good is the "best health care in the world" when 90% of the population can't get it?

jeffbr

Tackalac wrote:

Amazing! I am so impressed. You remembered all the talking points in this one. Great job, usually republicans only recall the ones from the past two to three days. That one was at least eight days ago, so we may have to call Guinness and rewrite one with your name.

You must be new here. Read a bit before you post and make yourself look foolish. I'm not a republican. Anyone who isn't socialist around here gets accused of that. I'm a Libertarian. Have been for a couple of decades (your mommy was probably still tucking you in at night when I started voting Libertarian). Nice try, son. Just remember, not everyone who opposes socialization of services is Republican.

jeffbr

gue_barium wrote:

What good is the "best health care in the world" when 90% of the population can't get it?

Good for me, I guess. And where did you get that 90% figure? Please list a source for that.