Discussing how buisness works in much of Western Europe.

prytoj

by the way, the Netherlands does pretty much rock, so I can see why you might disagree. But history proves my point.

Obi Once

prytoj wrote:

honestly, we really don't care what you think about our arrogance. France, Poland and the UK certainly had no problem with it in the 40's.

They actually had a problem with your stance the 1st years.
- edit, for the sake of the original topic, let's not involve WWII etc.

now that's not to say we haven't had some foolish leaders doing foolish things lately. let's be real. And that's not to say that the US is the only great country. There are other great countries. But again:

what immigrant is missing the next train here if offerd the ticket? anyone?
didn't think so.

I actually saw a news report that immigrants are reluctant to come to the US now that the economy is going down. So you're wrong there, the crisis might be a solution to illegal immigration tho, safe some money on the fence.

In regards to the original topic I think some modesty (not making the biggest profit immediately) or more eye for continuity (as we have here) would be a change for the better in the US market now.

Arrogance my ass, but you can have your humility and your declining birth rates and your socialism. I'll keep my "arrogance"

If your higher birth rates and poverty inclines you to say you live in the greatest country in the world, go ahead, I'll stick with some humility and 'socialism'. Tho I too can easily state my country is the greatest country in the world too, but don't because I'm critical too, something you don't seem to be of your own country.

But in all honesty we will have to agree that if we look at the map, Russia is the greatest country in the world.

And btw you haven't answered an earlier answer.

prytoj

Obi Once wrote:

They actually had a problem with your stance the 1st years.
- edit, for the sake of the original topic, let's not involve WWII etc.

I actually saw a news report that immigrants are reluctant to come to the US now that the economy is going down. So you're wrong there, the crisis might be a solution to illegal immigration tho, safe some money on the fence.

In regards to the original topic I think some modesty (not making the biggest profit immediately) or more eye for continuity (as we have here) would be a change for the better in the US market now.

If your higher birth rates and poverty inclines you to say you live in the greatest country in the world, go ahead, I'll stick with some humility and 'socialism'. Tho I too can easily state my country is the greatest country in the world too, but don't because I'm critical too, something you don't seem to be of your own country.

But in all honesty we will have to agree that if we look at the map, Russia is the greatest country in the world.

And btw you haven't answered an earlier answer.

Like I said, there are worse places than the Netherlands.

I am critical of many in LEADERSHIP, but I'll take that up with them, not you.
We're supposed to be critical of our leadership though, as one of our obligations to preserve all this. And we have tools to do that.

I'll let the rest of your comments pass...

prytoj

There is a difference between the statement "the US is the greatest society ever invented" and what you keep saying I said.

Pacomc79

Obi Once wrote:

Hard to say, production on bigger scale is simply more cost effective.

I would agree a market purely based on making a profit will implode as it's exploits all resources available to it, and short term managers only see profit as the highest goal instead of the continuity of the organization. Maybe the market can correct itself, taking a bigger risk investing in a company that could sky rocket or crash on the short term doesn't sound as solid as investing in a company with a decades old way of doing business and making a lower but more consistent profit.

How this can be translated to small neighborhood shops I don't know. It's the same on your side, we want to 1 stop shop in the limited time available.

My personal situation doesn't apply well to this (the company I work for is a 10 minute walk), some of my friends work in other cities and their commute times rise up to an hour and half max. What's reasonable at your side?

Interesting, same here actually. I'm around 10 minutes for my commute but the average one here is around an hour and a half with some spanning almost 4 reasonable times are generally in the 1.5 hour range for most people. I used to do that but I don't want to live that far away anymore.

Kann

prytoj wrote:

the founding fathers live with us everyday as long as we are mindful of their accomplishments and what they stood for. Basically, if you think they are dead, then you need an education

I guess I do, because I'm actually pretty sure they are dead.

your 'environment and disabilities' argument is an insult to those who overcame such obstacles (I am deeply offended), and you should be ashamed of yourself for talking that way.

And all these people who, due to their environment or disabilities, don't succeed, are they an insult to you as well? You are aware people fail sometimes? Nepotism and social classes are not myths. As for you being offended, good that means my point actually made sense.

how many immigrants are missing the next train here if offered the ticket? Didnt think so.

How many immigrants would be ready to move in any "rich western country" if given the opportunity? usa is a great country which showed the rest of the world many examples since the 200 years it existed, some to follow, others not to much.
Sorry to the OP for the highjack.
I commute 1h20 min per day, and I'm considered lucky, most of my co-workers have 2h, but I live in a fairly big town.

Pacomc79

Kann, are you driving, or using Mass Transit?

dunkman

prytoj wrote:

while imperfect, the US is the greatest society ever invented.

the Romans or the Greeks were... maybe the Egyptians... certainly not the US... the Romans and the Egyptians gave the world so much.. far more than the US has ever done.

Great Britain once ruled the world not that long ago... their Empire was 1/3rd of the globe... their advancements not only in industry but in business, economics, medicine, etc are still used today.

your constant looking into a mirror gets boring.

dunkman

prytoj wrote:

thats funny, you go through Italy, to Belgium, and wind up in Detroit of all places and have the audacity to call the US just a nice place? Craziness.

There is a tone of 'ugly america' that pervades this message board. So excuse my arrogance in pointing out the FACTS and giving proper perspective.

it is a nice place.

what FACTS have you pointed out?

Kann

Pacomc79 wrote:

Kann, are you driving, or using Mass Transit?

Mass transit, taking your car means you're either crazy or work at night. Commute in this town however is way worse than in the rest of the country, where I lived a few years back (a town with around 8-10x less inhabitants) commute times were around 45 min/day, and I'd guess 1h would pretty representative of the whole country.
I don't know if its that different with the US, or if our corporations here are honestly more interested in the long-term (I wouldn't be to sure) but what I know for sure is different is that people here tend to save way more than in the US. There is so much pressure, culturally and from the state, against massive indebtedness (is that a word?) - a monthly rate of more than 33% your income - that it's a limited phenomenon. Well it was until very recently at least.

Pacomc79

Kann wrote:

Mass transit, taking your car means you're either crazy or work at night. Commute in this town however is way worse than in the rest of the country, where I lived a few years back (a town with around 8-10x less inhabitants) commute times were around 45 min/day, and I'd guess 1h would pretty representative of the whole country.
I don't know if its that different with the US, or if our corporations here are honestly more interested in the long-term (I wouldn't be to sure) but what I know for sure is different is that people here tend to save way more than in the US. There is so much pressure, culturally and from the state, against massive indebtedness (is that a word?) - a monthly rate of more than 33% your income - that it's a limited phenomenon. Well it was until very recently at least.

Ah very good, while there are a few people who do save here, I'd say it's probably the exception. It used to be that way, we used to not value tremendous debt but somewhere along the line that changed. We have very little patience as a nation to save for anything. There is certainly more cultural pressure to spend and very little incentive to save.

As far as mass transit I think it depends on the city as to it's effectiveness. The buses are pretty good but in a sprawling city like Atlanta the metro area is almost 2000 square miles and the vast majority of people drive. Our rail system is horrific in it's reach. I take it quite a bit but it's nowhere near adequate to take most people from where they live to where they work. I don't have figures, but I'd say the majority of Americans drive to work unless they live in close proximity to a major city where they might drive to a transit station and take that into the city.

Collin

dunkman wrote:

it is a nice place.

what FACTS have you pointed out?

Dunk, haven't you paid any attention at all? He pointed out the facts that the US invented democracy and free market capitalism :rolleyes: