What about the string of bombings at Cuban resorts that Posada carried out in 1997 that resulted in the death of an Italian tourist. By that point he was no longer in the employ of the CIA. I can see your point that the government(s) that employedd these men to carry out these acts should be held responsible but that does not relieve them of their responsibilities. They willingly took the job to blow up an airliner with 73 people on board. These men are terrorists and while many people sit at home praising our government for fighting the War on Terror that very same government harbors two well known terrorists and refuses to let justice be served.
Yea, the guy is a terrorist by any measure, but at the same time, he worked for the government and they allow him to be free even though he is a terrorist.
By the way nice sig.
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if you can explain to me how anyone can support george bush as president - i might give it a little more thought ...
I'm not qualified to answer, because I think he's a git. My comment was more about sheer numbers of posters on here, and the type of people a Pearl Jam board would tend to attract. There are way more anti-Bush people here than the converse. There are also way more people who tend to have "leftist" leaning political views. Statisically speaking, close-minded posts are more likely to come from that demographic. Its not because the left is "wrong" ... Its because Bush polarizes people on both ends, making them prone to rash statements.
Also, these posts make me laugh, because they are intended to goad "Bushies" into defending bad actions on the part of the U.S. government ... Based on my experience/observation (wasting too much time on here, probably), many of the people on the right here are also fed up with Bush's policies. Who is going to come on here and say that this man isn't a terrorist, and that he deserves to be sheltered? I guess no one, now that I've made a big deal about it ... But hopefully you get what I mean ...
you know what I wish?
I wish that ONE President would have the balls to come clean and air out America's dirty laundry, once and for all. Give us a clean slate by bareing out the truth... the cold, hard... sometimes ugly truth. Regardless of how 'embarrassing' it may be to previous administrations.
Give out all the 'classified' information about 'Roswell' and the Kennedy assassinations. What F.D.R. knew about Pearl Harbor or secret deals between Reagan and Iran. All that crap... if it is about military radiation tests on small towns in Kansas in the 1950s lead to high rates of cancer or weapons deals with Saddam Hussein, put it all out there and quit giving that 'National security' bullshit line. The wreckage in Roswell, N.M. in the 1950s has no National Security implications in 2006. Release all the videos siezed on September 11, 2001 as well as place all of the wreckage from whatever hit the Pentagon on public display... end the speculation.
Clear the air... get rid of the suspecion. Start off new.
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Then, hold himself to the very same scrutiny to make sure he does what's best for America... but, not at the expense of America. As we have learned... it is NOT in America's best interest to arm, fund, train and supply fundamentalist Islamic terrorist to fight against our enemies. We need to take the high road if we expect others to respect and follow us.
We know we've done some shitty things in the past. Pretending they didn't happen or lying about them doesn't make us the Good Guys. Let's own up to our mistakes, accept the responsibility, learn from them and move forward, vowing never to repeat them in the future. We are America, people... let's try acting like it for a change.
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Statisically speaking, close-minded posts are more likely to come from that demographic. Its not because the left is "wrong" ... Its because Bush polarizes people on both ends, making them prone to rash statements.
Also, these posts make me laugh, because they are intended to goad "Bushies" into defending bad actions on the part of the U.S. government ... Based on my experience/observation (wasting too much time on here, probably), many of the people on the right here are also fed up with Bush's policies. Who is going to come on here and say that this man isn't a terrorist, and that he deserves to be sheltered? I guess no one, now that I've made a big deal about it ... But hopefully you get what I mean ...
ha! ... i hope you're not a statistician!! ... cuz in the same token i could say statistically speaking more open-minded posts are gonna come from the "left" based on your logic ...
these posts aren't about goading bushies - you know for a fact that there are many here who still support this president and that if an election is held today they would STILL vote for him ... these posts are aimed at showing the brutal hypocrisy this (and many other) administrations have governed by ... for each person on the "right" who would admit this guy is a terrorist there is someone who probably will not want to hold their country accountable for it and continue to support a PR campaign that aims to portray america as the righteous ... well, these posts aim to debunk that myth ...
OK, someone's got to say it, and it might as well be me.
Most of the people who make blanket statements on here are NOT unequivocal supporters of the Bush government. Sure, there are a few. But most people prone to making "blind" comments are on the other end of the political spectrum. I think its telling that most on the "right" here either haven't commented or have come right out and said that this guy is indeed a terrorist.
Keep waiting, in other words.
I'm just waiting for a troll to show up and do it's work. I could list a couple of examples but I'd have to send it in a PM.
ha! ... i hope you're not a statistician!! ... cuz in the same token i could say statistically speaking more open-minded posts are gonna come from the "left" based on your logic ...
You could say that, and quite possibly you would be right. You don't have to be a statistician to see the obvious.
Also, these posts make me laugh, because they are intended to goad "Bushies" into defending bad actions on the part of the U.S. government ... Based on my experience/observation (wasting too much time on here, probably), many of the people on the right here are also fed up with Bush's policies. Who is going to come on here and say that this man isn't a terrorist, and that he deserves to be sheltered? I guess no one, now that I've made a big deal about it ... But hopefully you get what I mean ...
I don't see topics or posts like these as goading expedition. I see this more as discussing the hypocrisy of our government. Something like the Posada case transends party affiliation. This one case spans 7 different administrations all of them just as guilty as the next.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't see topics or posts like these as goading expedition. I see this more as discussing the hypocrisy of our government. Something like the Posada case transends party affiliation. This one case spans 7 different administrations all of them just as guilty as the next.
Alright, fair enough. But it wasn't the thread per se or the topic that caused that reaction, it was the remark about waiting for someone to justify the government's actions.
Alright, fair enough. But it wasn't the thread per se or the topic that caused that reaction, it was the remark about waiting for someone to justify the government's actions.
I can understand how that statement can hit a nerve. It was uncalled for because I highly doubt anyone would support the way our government has handled the case.
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Yea, the guy is a terrorist by any measure, but at the same time, he worked for the government and they allow him to be free even though he is a terrorist.
By the way nice sig.
sure thing
Dismiss it all you want.
if you can explain to me how anyone can support george bush as president - i might give it a little more thought ...
I'm not qualified to answer, because I think he's a git. My comment was more about sheer numbers of posters on here, and the type of people a Pearl Jam board would tend to attract. There are way more anti-Bush people here than the converse. There are also way more people who tend to have "leftist" leaning political views. Statisically speaking, close-minded posts are more likely to come from that demographic. Its not because the left is "wrong" ... Its because Bush polarizes people on both ends, making them prone to rash statements.
Also, these posts make me laugh, because they are intended to goad "Bushies" into defending bad actions on the part of the U.S. government ... Based on my experience/observation (wasting too much time on here, probably), many of the people on the right here are also fed up with Bush's policies. Who is going to come on here and say that this man isn't a terrorist, and that he deserves to be sheltered? I guess no one, now that I've made a big deal about it ...
I wish that ONE President would have the balls to come clean and air out America's dirty laundry, once and for all. Give us a clean slate by bareing out the truth... the cold, hard... sometimes ugly truth. Regardless of how 'embarrassing' it may be to previous administrations.
Give out all the 'classified' information about 'Roswell' and the Kennedy assassinations. What F.D.R. knew about Pearl Harbor or secret deals between Reagan and Iran. All that crap... if it is about military radiation tests on small towns in Kansas in the 1950s lead to high rates of cancer or weapons deals with Saddam Hussein, put it all out there and quit giving that 'National security' bullshit line. The wreckage in Roswell, N.M. in the 1950s has no National Security implications in 2006. Release all the videos siezed on September 11, 2001 as well as place all of the wreckage from whatever hit the Pentagon on public display... end the speculation.
Clear the air... get rid of the suspecion. Start off new.
...
Then, hold himself to the very same scrutiny to make sure he does what's best for America... but, not at the expense of America. As we have learned... it is NOT in America's best interest to arm, fund, train and supply fundamentalist Islamic terrorist to fight against our enemies. We need to take the high road if we expect others to respect and follow us.
We know we've done some shitty things in the past. Pretending they didn't happen or lying about them doesn't make us the Good Guys. Let's own up to our mistakes, accept the responsibility, learn from them and move forward, vowing never to repeat them in the future. We are America, people... let's try acting like it for a change.
Hail, Hail!!!
ha! ... i hope you're not a statistician!! ... cuz in the same token i could say statistically speaking more open-minded posts are gonna come from the "left" based on your logic ...
these posts aren't about goading bushies - you know for a fact that there are many here who still support this president and that if an election is held today they would STILL vote for him ... these posts are aimed at showing the brutal hypocrisy this (and many other) administrations have governed by ... for each person on the "right" who would admit this guy is a terrorist there is someone who probably will not want to hold their country accountable for it and continue to support a PR campaign that aims to portray america as the righteous ... well, these posts aim to debunk that myth ...
I'm just waiting for a troll to show up and do it's work. I could list a couple of examples but I'd have to send it in a PM.
You could say that, and quite possibly you would be right. You don't have to be a statistician to see the obvious.
I don't see topics or posts like these as goading expedition. I see this more as discussing the hypocrisy of our government. Something like the Posada case transends party affiliation. This one case spans 7 different administrations all of them just as guilty as the next.
Alright, fair enough. But it wasn't the thread per se or the topic that caused that reaction, it was the remark about waiting for someone to justify the government's actions.
I can understand how that statement can hit a nerve. It was uncalled for because I highly doubt anyone would support the way our government has handled the case.