I don't get how we failed with North Korea???

sponger

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

But the deciding to take a shit wouldn't be crazy if you were trapped in a room w/ no doors...the extreme situation is what is crazy.

But, being trapped in a room with no toilet and no doors is an unlikely scenario, requiring further elaboration in order for a third party to make an assessment of that person's sanity.

Like I said, I asked for elaboration. I got whipper snapper attitude in response. Do you agree with that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of being a postwhore?

Abookamongstthemany

sponger wrote:

But, being trapped in a room with no toilet and no doors is an unlikely scenario, requiring further elaboration in order for a third party to make an assessment of that person's sanity.

Like I said, I asked for elaboration. I got whipper snapper attitude in response. Do you agree with that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of being a postwhore?

I edited.

I think you deserve any attitude you got. You seem so pissy and nasty. Have fun with that.

sponger

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I You seem so pissy and nasty.

That's how people tend to sound, I guess, when they're telling you right from wrong. Truth hurts. Thanks for playing.

Abookamongstthemany

sponger wrote:

That's how people tend to sound, I guess, when they're telling you right from wrong. Truth hurts. Thanks for playing.

playing what?

sponger

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

playing what?

exactly. We are playing a game of back and forth, except you don't realize it's just a game.

Every game has rules. In the game called life, those rules are reality. As long as you keep remembering the rules, you'll never lose your way.

But, you forgot this was just a game. You thought it was something much more serious, so you did whatever it took (said whatever you had to say) in order to get the last word. And, in doing so, you deviated from the rules. That is, you deviated from reality. And that explains the twisted and nonsensical hogwash that compromises a majority of your posts in this thread.

PJ&T forgot this was a game too. And that's why he was afraid to play. That's where the "I'm not saying it's right or wrong" comes from. It really translates to, "This is too scary for me." He handed in his chips, so to speak.

LikeAnOcean

Hey!!!


No fighting in my thread!

Abookamongstthemany

sponger wrote:

exactly. We are playing a game of back and forth, except you don't realize it's just a game.

Every game has rules. In the game called life, those rules are reality. As long as you keep remembering the rules, you'll never lose your way.

But, you forgot this was just a game. You thought it was something much more serious, so you did whatever it took (said whatever you had to say) in order to get the last word. And, in doing so, you deviated from the rules. That is, you deviated from reality. And that explains the twisted and nonsensical hogwash that compromises a majority of your posts in this thread.

PJ&T forgot this was a game too. And that's why he was afraid to play. That's where the "I'm not saying it's right or wrong" comes from. It really translates to, "This is too scary for me." He handed in his chips, so to speak.

ummmm...oooooook

I hope you got a good nights sleep

Hinny

Isn't it obvious?

"You're either with us or against us"
The doctrine of pre-emptive strike, waging war against Iraq without much fact-based justification
The axis of evil speech
The lack of commitment to a peace agreement after 50 years of a lapsed cease fire
Dismissing calls for direct 2-way discussion

God forbid they get scared and think they need to arm themselves quicksmart in order to protect their power.

El_Kabong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

People - Common Sense = Congress. *

Politics are great, esp. the fun stupid kind Congress gives us every day.

if pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of congress?



politics

poli can mean 'many' in latin

we all know what ticks are...

NakedClown

It's all pretty simple to me:

We haven't found Osama yet...

We're stuck in Iraq, which was not an immediate threat...

And we've let N. Korea get to a point where they are testing nuclear devices and threatening "strong countermeasures" against any country who places sanctions on them...

Worst. Foreign. Threat. Handling. EVER.

moeaholic

NakedClown wrote:

It's all pretty simple to me:

We haven't found Osama yet...

We're stuck in Iraq, which was not an immediate threat...

And we've let N. Korea get to a point where they are testing nuclear devices and threatening "strong countermeasures" against any country who places sanctions on them...

Worst. Foreign. Threat. Handling. EVER.

who's the "we" that let n. korea get to that point?

Pearl Jam and toast

El_Kabong wrote:

if pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of congress?



politics

poli can mean 'many' in latin

we all know what ticks are...

hahaha

I might steal that from you... and whoever you stole it from

Pearl Jam and toast

sponger wrote:

lol...still dancing.

Let's go over your original statement one more time:



I don't know where you learned to speak english, but if you think the above statement means that you understand where he's coming from, but don't agree with it, then you learned wrong.

Like I said before: If you want to eliminate confusion, just say exactly what you mean. And if someone down the line asks for clarification because you don't know how to communicate, then don't be a baby about it.

I think any rational person would have no problem answering a simple question without making defensive remarks such as, "Do you really need to ask?" and "I thought I made myself pretty damn clear."

I asked that simple question, and you went out of your way to try to make me look like an idiot. That only leaves me with the suspicion that you just want to dance your way around your own stupid comment. My advice is to own up to it and change yourself for the better before you get caught in another situation like this one in the future. It's really for the benefit of your own state of mind and out of courtesy to others.

"He's still insane"... meaning I think he's.. insane.. could mean anything. Very vague but I wasn't aiming to make any specific argument,, he's oppressive, kills a lot of people, etc etc etc. Everyone knows why he's insane and I disagree with every bit of the way he's dealing with the US.

"But he has reason to fear the US"... His fears are still legitimate so I understand why he does what he does,... just don't agree with it.

Clear enough?

let's drop it now..

NakedClown

moeaholic wrote:

who's the "we" that let n. korea get to that point?

We = the Unites States who felt it was more important to police a possible threat in Iraq rather than a lunatic with nuke capabilities in N. Korea.

sponger

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

"He's still insane"... meaning I think he's.. insane.. could mean anything. Very vague but I wasn't aiming to make any specific argument,, he's oppressive, kills a lot of people, etc etc etc. Everyone knows why he's insane and I disagree with every bit of the way he's dealing with the US.

"But he has reason to fear the US"... His fears are still legitimate so I understand why he does what he does,... just don't agree with it.

Clear enough?

let's drop it now..

I know what you were trying to say. Maybe it slipped your mind,but I just spent the last 3-4 pages making it very clear that your point of view is crystal clear as day now that you've elaborated on what was originally vague and indecisive.

What I don't get is what could possibly possess you to say, "Does this really need to be asked?" and "I thought I made myself pretty damn clear," after only saying, "but, he has reason to fear the US."

At least you now admit that you think his fears are legitimate instead of, "I'm not saying it's right or wrong." That is, you really believe that if he doesn't have nukes, he the US will attack him and take his country from him. That is what "legitimate" fears means.

That is what you believe, isn't it? Without nukes, KJI is the next Saddam Hussein...

beachdweller

we failed, because we thought we could do something in the first place, China has to lead the way, but don't hold your breathe

Jeremy2009

Ahnimus wrote:

There is no such thing as evil

There's no god either

Jeremy2009

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't see it as a failure. a sovreign nation is entitled to do whatever it wants. it is beholding nothing to us. its not the responsibility of the US to stick our noses into their business and prevent them from doing anything. IMO it was bound to happen sooner or later. it is the great equilizer. knowing they have the bomb and will use it on us if we invade is a pretty good deterrent to keep us from invading them. it gives them leverage in world affairs now i am sure.


** edit grammar

Dont forget other nations are here in S. Korea as well with their own interest in N. Korea. I dont agree with what you said though about it's not the US responsiblility to do anything about it because when it affects the entire world then yes, we and our allies should do something ...and it's not always a combat mission we do many humanitarian missions here. We should go in based on the simple fact that people should be at least be able to be free and not be controlled by on person who only is concerned about the money in his pocket rather then the well being of the people.

NCfan

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

What about the USA isn't a threat to a country like North Korea?

From Kim's point of view the USA rules the world with an iron fist (which is true to an extent). We're bullies who love to take the position "do what I say or else". And even if you do'nt believe that, from North Korea's point of view it makes a lot of sense.

That's not saying it's right or that Kim isn't a crazy mother fucker, but the fact that he has anti-american sentiments makes perfect sense even without the crazy.

Did you really have to ask that question?

Kim's point of view is he needs to hold on to his power. His country is in economic ruin and is ostricized from the world, in no small part to his leadership.

Kim is not worried about being invaded by the US. Everybody knows that America is not going to bomb North Korea or land ground forces there in an effot to topple the North Korean government.

Kim is using that excuse becuase people will believe it. It's popular opinion that the US is a bunch of bullies, and Kim is using that to his advantage.

Kim knows that having a nuclear weapon will help him keep power and will strengthen his negotiating power. he is a professional blackmailer.

sponger

NCfan wrote:

Kim's point of view is he needs to hold on to his power. His country is in economic ruin and is ostricized from the world, in no small part to his leadership.

Kim is not worried about being invaded by the US. Everybody knows that America is not going to bomb North Korea or land ground forces there in an effot to topple the North Korean government.

Kim is using that excuse becuase people will believe it. It's popular opinion that the US is a bunch of bullies, and Kim is using that to his advantage.

Kim knows that having a nuclear weapon will help him keep power and will strengthen his negotiating power. he is a professional blackmailer.

The voice of reason speaks. But, you see, this is where the "I'm not saying it's right..." and "From Kim's point of view..." and "...it makes perfect sense even without the crazy" all come in handy.