So how exactly did we bring freedom to Iraq???

Cosmo

Scubascott wrote:

Imagine if all the money spent on securing oil reserves in Iraq had been spent on research and development for renewable energy technologies. Where would the US be now?

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We're at what... half a trillion in the hole already... another 124 billion in discussion.
I'm with you... breaking our addiction to the liquid heroin would mean we wouldn't have to deal with those assholes over there.

MrBrian

Cosmo wrote:

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I didn't like Gore... and I liked Kerry even less... yet, I STILL voted for them because I didn't want Bush as our President.
In 2000, my reasoning was the Supreme Court. I knew that possibly 3 seats would come up in the first term... definately come up within the second. I feared him nominating a Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson type as political payback for his contributors. He tried to get Harriet Miers in, but, fortunately the Republicans in the House said, 'Pick again'.
In 2004 it was Iraq. Not gay marriage... not Swift Boats, IRAQ. I don't fall for campaign year trickery like Gay Marriage or Swift Boats because I'M NOT AN IDIOT. The issue was IRAQ!!!

You know bro, as much as I dislike Bush, I'm happy (well not happy) that he beat kerry. I feel that things need to get bad in order for things to get good.

I said that many times before the 04' election, some people thought I was crazy to feel that way, but now look at the country, things are pretty bad, but I also see a few good things coming around. I'm just a bit sad that things are not turning good fast enough. I really did'nt believe that the avg american was as apathetic as they are. Now they will once again run to the dems and demand nothing, they'll just be happy that's it's not Bush.

That is not progress, it's not change.
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LikeAnOcean voted for Bush in 2000. it's done with, no point in drilling him. My only hope is that people like him will vote just a bit smarter in the future.
I'm also positive that'll happen because LikeAnOcean is a smart guy. he made a mistake. Who has'nt? I have. many times. Will I repeat them? I hope not. That's the true test.

America right now finds itself in a state of great change. Let's not stall it.

Byrnzie

Cosmo wrote:

breaking our addiction to the liquid heroin would mean we wouldn't have to deal with those assholes over there.

I think it's time Americans began redirecting their attention towards the assholes who are closer to home - those liars and murderers who took you into this bullshit war in the first place. Britain and America have done a pretty good job of teaching those evil brown people a lesson. Maybe it's time that Bush and his ilk were taught a lesson too?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Cosmo wrote:

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We're at what... half a trillion in the hole already... another 124 billion in discussion.
I'm with you... breaking our addiction to the liquid heroin would mean we wouldn't have to deal with those assholes over there.

Just giving the poppy farmers money (subsidies) to afford to live and not grow poppy or grow another crop would be a zillion times cheaper btw.....for real...

Where's the priorities again? You don't think Bush and clan know this already?

They don't want to stop it...because there's too much money to be made from it.

Fist of all stop thinking Bush and his chums actually care about you and your life....

That's Rule #1... the rest will become crystal clear soon enough.

even flow?

Well know there are more factions to sell weapons to, then just Sadam. Everybody has a free reign of killing other people, not just Sadam. Those are just starters on the freedom march. The Iraqi people have more say about their oil that is on their propery, not just Sadam. Plenty more to come.

Derrick

How, logistically, could the US ever leave Iraq now? The US still has a base in Frankfurt ffs, 52 years later.

The opposition and their future generation have an inspiration/motive for retaliation. That will fester over time and amplify over generations. These people do not easily forget. The US will be forced to keep a military presence in Iraq ....forever?

redrock

Kat wrote:

I'm just very surprised the "news" in that link isn't all over...maybe it isn't true?

Love and Peace,
Kat

That 'news' was reported in the UK, France and Belgium (I'm sure other countries, but those are the news bits I listen to/read), but obviously the US would never report anything like that...

Byrnzie... you say "Seems that a unified Iraq is just what Blair and the Bush's oil barons don't want"..... do you really think there could ever be a unified Iraq? Sadly, I think it was only 'unfied' under a dictatorship...

Cosmo

Derrick wrote:

How, logistically, could the US ever leave Iraq now? The US still has a base in Frankfurt ffs, 52 years later.

The opposition and their future generation have an inspiration/motive for retaliation. That will fester over time and amplify over generations. These people do not easily forget. The US will be forced to keep a military presence in Iraq ....forever?

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There are HUGE differences between Germany and Iraq. The German Christians and German Catholics weren't running around, killing each other fighting for control over Germany. And the U.S. Military bases were welcomed in West Germany to fend off the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1989 (and through those years after the fall of the Berlin Wall as the former Soviet states struggled with independence). It isn't a fair comparison.
And what if the Democratically elected Iraqi government tells us we have to leave? That's a real possibility because the Shi'ites are now in control of their political machine and are heavily influenced by the spawn of Ayatollah Khomeini. Building 'enduring' bases in Iraq is a high stakes bet... if we leave, the bases stay.