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Derrick

Puck78 wrote:

bush was intensively thinking

this is where you lost me.

jlew24asu

Puck78 wrote:

bush was intensively thinking about it... that's why he didn't leave that classroom even if he knew what was happening...

I'm sure its very easy for you to sit back and criticize in what have been one of the most difficult sitiuations someone would be thrown into. you and I have the luxury of never been in such a prediciment

Derrick

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm sure its very easy for you to sit back and criticize in what have been one of the most difficult sitiuations someone would be thrown into. you and I have the luxury of never been in such a prediciment

I don't anyone is criticizing the decision. They are criticizing the cover-up. Bringing down a rogue airliner shouldn't be a presidential decision. There should be a standard Air Force protocol.

jlew24asu

Derrick wrote:

I don't anyone is criticizing the decision. They are criticizing the cover-up. Bringing down a rogue airliner shouldn't be a presidential decision. There should be a standard Air Force protocol.

when the american military is left with a choice to kill americans, it can only come from one person. the elected president.

sonicreducer

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm not being passive. I'm as big of a 9/11 questioner on here as anyone, ask jlew24asu. The point I was making is that yes it was a lie, but I don't believe the nation could have handled a situation like the US Military having to shoot down a commercial airliner and kill US Citizens.
Had the whole story of "Let's Roll" never happened, I think the government could have come out in time and said in fact that it was shot down, but now the nation has this image (and movies to back it up) of the members of Flight 93 being action heroes. I think the gov't would run into some serious legal problems from the families of Flight 93 for the misleading information if it were to come out it was shot down.

so it's easier to live in a fucking fairytale, rather than accepting a harsh truth; if indeed, the plane was shot down. i find it incredibly ridiculous that people accept that idea, but we all have our right to an opinion.

all conspiracies aside, riding the murky wave of the official story,...

could you honestly say that the gov't shouldn't have been held responsible? trillions of tax dollars have been spent on defense. but they couldn't stop these fuckers. i forgot to mention the trillions of tax dollars that were unaccounted for. 2.3 TRILLION! remember on septembe 10th when they admitted to it. that is a lot of half of our paychecks not even accounted for! WTF? the level of incompetence is unprecedented, OR extremely sinister. yet, not pointing at you directly,... i see people sticking up for those fucking douchebags. our gov't is corrupted so bad it's almost beyond repair. why on earth would congress keep passing these militarizing bills? we'll be under martial law if another attack happens in the states. and bush has ALL the authority he needs to keep us on lockdown if needed. im so pissed off about this that it makes me sick to my stomach.

you know, fuck! now it's ok for bush to admit that there was no connection between 9/11 and hussein even though he said it repeatedly before we gave them the okay to invade.

our elections are rigged. if the electronic voting machines don't work, use paper! wtf? how could it possibly be any more phony?

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

when the american military is left with a choice to kill americans, it can only come from one person.

Lol, sounds like you should write the voice overs for movie trailers

Yes, it should come from the president - or if he's incapacitated by a story about a little goat, the second in command... and so on right down to whoever's at the very bottom of this shit pile.

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm sure its very easy for you to sit back and criticize in what have been one of the most difficult sitiuations someone would be thrown into. you and I have the luxury of never been in such a prediciment

Em well don't you consider that when you elect a president? The president is the one person who SHOULD be able to make an on-the-spot decision regarding life or death situations... the way soldiers or their commanders are expected to do so in war, he's the highest commander, isn't he?

ledvedderman

sonicreducer wrote:

so it's easier to live in a fucking fairytale, rather than accepting a harsh truth; if indeed, the plane was shot down. i find it incredibly ridiculous that people accept that idea, but we all have our right to an opinion.

all conspiracies aside, riding the murky wave of the official story,...

could you honestly say that the gov't shouldn't have been held responsible? trillions of tax dollars have been spent on defense. but they couldn't stop these fuckers. i forgot to mention the trillions of tax dollars that were unaccounted for. 2.3 TRILLION! remember on septembe 10th when they admitted to it. that is a lot of half of our paychecks not even accounted for! WTF? the level of incompetence is unprecedented, OR extremely sinister. yet, not pointing at you directly,... i see people sticking up for those fucking douchebags. our gov't is corrupted so bad it's almost beyond repair. why on earth would congress keep passing these militarizing bills? we'll be under martial law if another attack happens in the states. and bush has ALL the authority he needs to keep us on lockdown if needed. im so pissed off about this that it makes me sick to my stomach.

you know, fuck! now it's ok for bush to admit that there was no connection between 9/11 and hussein even though he said it repeatedly before we gave them the okay to invade.

our elections are rigged. if the electronic voting machines don't work, use paper! wtf? how could it possibly be any more phony?

I'm with you man, I just think we have different opinions on what happened to Flight 93.

Puck78

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm sure its very easy for you to sit back and criticize in what have been one of the most difficult sitiuations someone would be thrown into. you and I have the luxury of never been in such a prediciment

down here you wrote that he's the only man that can take such a decision. Well, he didn't. Being unable to take decisions in such situations, being weak, is human, but once that he realized that he's weak he should have resigned
PS: you're definitely his little dog, you protect him all the time...

jlew24asu

Puck78 wrote:

down here you wrote that he's the only man that can take such a decision. Well, he didn't. Being unable to take decisions in such situations, being weak, is human, but once that he realized that he's weak he should have resigned
PS: you're definitely his little dog, you protect him all the time...

resign? why? because you didnt like his intial reaction when being told we were under attack? thats a great idea.

nice little dog comment. if there is something we are doing wrong I have no problem calling them out on that as well, such as toture tatics and the fucked up Iraq sitiuation. think before you open your mouth. I tend to try and find the positives in a situation instead of only focusing on what you deem as negative. you arent even american so its natural for you to dislike and critisize every step us americans make.

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

resign? why? because you didnt like his intial reaction when being told we were under attack? thats a great idea.

nice little dog comment. if there is something we are doing wrong I have no problem calling them out on that as well, such as toture tatics and the fucked up Iraq sitiuation. think before you open your mouth. I tend to try and find the positives in a situation instead of only focusing on what you deem as negative. you arent even american so its natural for you to dislike and critisize every step us americans make.

Well all I can say is, if we were under attack and my president reacted that way, I'd seriously like to think the Irish people would kick him out... that's his JOB. To react and respond but also to reassure the nation that he has things under control... did he not see the camera in the classroom or something?

sonicreducer

Heineken Helen wrote:

Well all I can say is, if we were under attack and my president reacted that way, I'd seriously like to think the Irish people would kick him out... that's his JOB. To react and respond but also to reassure the nation that he has things under control... did he not see the camera in the classroom or something?

you know that gut feeling you get about some things. i got that feeling when i saw what i saw. naturally, from the way i've been brought up, i think im prone to rebel. (as in be pissed for letting it happen or think they did it themselves) but, this is unprecedented. not one single person from this administration has been even slapped on the wrist for what happened that day. it is truly pothetic that they acted with the incompetence that they did. (or the malignant cover up). since neither have been fully proven, i will have to accept both with the same level of truth.

i was guilty of stepping over logic trying to understand what happened and got sucked into some pretty stupid conspiracies. but there is legitimate evidence pointing towards wicked connivance.

there is also difference between the facts not being investigated. there are so many questions that the NIST and commission omitted, it's not even funny. not to mention that bush and cheney stonewalled the commission. they wouldn't testify under oath, nor wouldn't testify at all unless it was together.

why?

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

Well all I can say is, if we were under attack and my president reacted that way, I'd seriously like to think the Irish people would kick him out... that's his JOB. To react and respond but also to reassure the nation that he has things under control... did he not see the camera in the classroom or something?

he did do something. he invaded afgahistan and took out the taliban government and has since made security of americans his number 1 concern. its so laughable how people judge him on the few seconds after being told we were under attack. I probably would need a few minutes to gather my thoughts as well. and secondly who gives a fuck what the irish people would have done. you havent been able to keep it together for decades.

sonicreducer

jlew24asu wrote:

he did do something. he invaded afgahistan and took out the taliban government and has since made security of americans his number 1 concern. its so laughable how people judge him on the few seconds after being told we were under attack. I probably would need a few minutes to gather my thoughts as well. and secondly who gives a fuck what the irish people would have done. you havent been able to keep it together for decades.

dude, it took us two months to do anything. we should have had special forces on those fuckers the next day. our military is the best in the world, and they have had trillions of tax payer dollars to spend on technology. we obviously can't stop all the terrorists. there are more terrorists now b/c of our invasions. we've killed thousands and thousands of innocent people man.

you shouldn't have said what you said about the irish.

jlew24asu

sonicreducer wrote:

dude, it took us two months to do anything. we should have had special forces on those fuckers the next day. our military is the best in the world, and they have had trillions of tax payer dollars to spend on technology. we obviously can't stop all the terrorists. there are more terrorists now b/c of our invasions. we've killed thousands and thousands of innocent people man.

you shouldn't have said what you said about the irish.

war takes planning. you have no idea what we were doing the next day. we easily could have had secret ops missions going on.

and I'll say whatever the fuck I want about the irish. if he can dish it, he should be able to take it.

Heineken Helen

sonicreducer wrote:

dude, it took us two months to do anything. we should have had special forces on those fuckers the next day. our military is the best in the world, and they have had trillions of tax payer dollars to spend on technology. we obviously can't stop all the terrorists. there are more terrorists now b/c of our invasions. we've killed thousands and thousands of innocent people man.

you shouldn't have said what you said about the irish.

Well, actually it's funny that he did... considering how poor we used to be and in the past few decades we've got it together more than pretty much every other country in the world

Besides, in waiting to do everything he did, Bush managed to pretty much alienate the entire world... even so called 'friendly' nations. I mean England may be an allied country... but how many English

sonicreducer

jlew24asu wrote:

war takes planning. you have no idea what we were doing the next day. we easily could have had secret ops missions going on.

okay. we could have.

there are more terrorists now than there were before. thousands and thousands of innocent people have died. more and more people are, preventably, being killed.

jlew24asu wrote:

and I'll say whatever the fuck I want about the irish. if he can dish it, he should be able to take it.

it is nice to live in a country far away from ireland where you won't get kicked in the face for what you said.

i agree with him. we should have got that incompetent fuck out a long time ago. now we are being militarized and stripped of our rights. we get to turn on the t.v. to be mislead by corporate controlled media. we get to be put in 'free speech zones'. no one gets held accountable for 'losing' trillions of tax payer dollars.

i know you don't support that. why do you constantly support bush and his adminstration? he doesn't do anything to stop it. he does whatever it takes to stay in power, and get more power.

isn't this a republic, where the people and the constitution and the gov't work together and hold each other in check?

threecrookedhearts6

whether you beleive that 9/11 was a government conspiracy or not, it is very hard to deny that the U.S. government failed to protect its people. officials have admitted it. Osama BinLaden could have been killed many times, and he wasnt. He was actually treated at an American hospital shortly before the 'attacks'. If he is the one responsible, and if they knew he was "determined to attack inside the United States" (and they did) it would be imperitave that he was killed or captured. This man had been a threat to American security for years yet he was never stopped. in my opinion, the Bush administration and their actions have sparked a worldwide detestment of the American people and values. they brought their country to a new low. i just hope that people wake up and look at the information around them. just because we're taught to trust our government, does not mean they wont turn on us.

parents can turn on their own children, right? so then the child has to protect himself from the person he once trusted. i believe many people have come to that point with the administration and not made it back to tell their story. its really sad...no matter how you look at it, all those people dying for blood money.

and why is the government not being held accountable for anything they've done wrong?

jlew24asu

sonicreducer wrote:

it is nice to live in a country far away from ireland where you won't get kicked in the face for what you said.

i agree with him. we should have got that incompetent fuck out a long time ago. now we are being militarized and stripped of our rights. we get to turn on the t.v. to be mislead by corporate controlled media. we get to be put in 'free speech zones'. no one gets held accountable for 'losing' trillions of tax payer dollars.

i know you don't support that. why do you constantly support bush and his adminstration? he doesn't do anything to stop it. he does whatever it takes to stay in power, and get more power.

isn't this a republic, where the people and the constitution and the gov't work together and hold each other in check?

no one is kicking me in the face. trust me on that one.

you seem to think wasteful spending is a republican problem. its not. I dont support tax payer waste, it happens with every administration and congress. did you know that on the morning of 9/11 Rumsfield was meeting with advisors on how to cut military spending?

people are getting a little too concerned over these so called free speech zones. protesters have always been restricted in what they can do. protesters have proven they arent always interested in peaceful protests. remember what happened at the 1968 DNC convention in Chicago?

flywallyfly

jlew24asu wrote:

no one is kicking me in the face. trust me on that one.

you seem to think wasteful spending is a republican problem. its not. I dont support tax payer waste, it happens with every administration and congress. did you know that on the morning of 9/11 Rumsfield was meeting with advisors on how to cut military spending?

Funny, I thought Rummy was trying to account for 2.3 trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon.

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2001/s20010910-secdef.html