Border Patrol Agents going to Jail !!!

inmytree

american wrote:

I knew a liberal would make their presence known in this thread. They didn't go to jail because they picked up some shell casings and lied in a report. They went to jail because they chased a fleeing drug smuggler. Did you even bother to read the link provided? Or are you just making broad assumptions and trying to pass them off as facts?

ha ha ha....I bet you can't define "liberal", yet you use it as if you do...who's making broad assumptions and passing them off as facts....? well, that would be you....


as for the border patrol agents...since when did two wrongs make a right...? yes, the "scumbag drug smuggler" (bringing in crappy brickweed) was wrong, but it does make it ok to shoot the guy in the back and then attempt to cover it up....this is a "nation of laws" right...?

macgyver06

Lizard wrote:

This outrageous. Briefly, 2 border patrol agents are going to jail today for shooting at an illegal drug smuggler in Texas. They did not kill him, they wounded him. Now you go to jail for doing the job you were asked to do???

http://www.nbpc.net/ramos_compean/frontpagemag.htm

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp

teach those officers to mess with government operations to smuggle drugs here.

deadnothingbetter

american wrote:

Most of the liberals on this site will agree that those two agents should be in jail for violating that poor drug smuggler"s civil rights.

you're right! maybe i should shoot my neighbor who sells marijuana.

deadnothingbetter

CorporateWhore wrote:

Absolutely. If those border patrol men had killed the douchebag and buried his worthless corpse, they would be free men right now and the world would be better off for it.

On a side note: fuck Mexico.

hey, fuck you asshole... don't say shit about mexico like that faggot.

CorporateWhore

deadnothingbetter wrote:

hey, fuck you asshole... don't say shit about mexico like that faggot.

LOL!!! You homophobe.

jeffbr

deadnothingbetter wrote:

hey, fuck you asshole... don't say shit about mexico like that faggot.

Nice. Somebody needs a timeout.

jeffbr

Collin wrote:

I think the punishment they got was a bit harsh, indeed. But they should be punished. If the people who are supposed to uphold the law, break it and get pardoned for it, I think their is something wrong.

I agree that they should have received punishment for lying about what they did, and tampering with evidence.

I don't have any problem with them shooting a criminal who is resisting and fleeing. I don't care if some illegal gets a slug in his ass as a consequence of his own actions. But even more troubling than these agents lying is that respresentatives of my government went to Mexico, found the scumbag, and offered him imunity to testify against the agents. Fucking bullshit by the Bush administration and homeland security.

sponger

If these guys are not punished for shooting a guy just for running away, then cops all over the nation are going to start shooting guys for the hell of it and then claiming they were trying to run away. They already beat people and claim resisting arrest. The only reason they don't put out a knee cap or two with their side arms is because they'd have to prove that their lives were in danger.

CorporateWhore

sponger wrote:

If these guys are not punished for shooting a guy just for running away, then cops all over the nation are going to start shooting guys for the hell of it and then claiming they were trying to run away. They already beat people and claim resisting arrest. The only reason they don't put out a knee cap or two with their side arms is because they'd have to prove that their lives were in danger.

Traditionally, drug smugglers travel with heavily armed Mexican mercenaries. Those guys would have no problem killing a few lone border patrol men.

That guy didn't belong in America. He has no right to smuggle drugs into America and deserves to be shot at.

On a side note: fuck Mexico.

sponger

CorporateWhore wrote:

Traditionally, drug smugglers travel with heavily armed Mexican mercenaries. Those guys would have no problem killing a few lone border patrol men.

On TV, yes. In reality, no. There are armed smugglers, but the majority of them are just dudes driving trucks.

At any rate, criminals in general are known to carry guns, yet it's still illegal in the states to shoot people for running away. I guess the problem with traffickers is that they're mexican.

That guy didn't belong in America. He has no right to smuggle drugs into America and deserves to be shot at.

Oh, now I remember. You're not too fond of mexicans.

american

blackredyellow wrote:

Ummmmm..... how exactly is the justice system dominated by liberals when we had a republican president (who appoints federal judges) for 18 of the last 26 years?

I guess you think that it makes your point better if you throw in "liberal" in every post.

The republican presidents of the last 26 years haven't appointed all of the federal judges serving today,not even close. Most federal judges serving today were appointed by presidents before Reagan. And yes, most of them are liberals.

american

inmytree wrote:

ha ha ha....I bet you can't define "liberal", yet you use it as if you do...who's making broad assumptions and passing them off as facts....? well, that would be you....


as for the border patrol agents...since when did two wrongs make a right...? yes, the "scumbag drug smuggler" (bringing in crappy brickweed) was wrong, but it does make it ok to shoot the guy in the back and then attempt to cover it up....this is a "nation of laws" right...?

I define liberal as sending border patrol agents to jail for doing their job. Given your brief summary in your lame post, it doesn't even seem like you fully read any of the links. You like so many others around just want to make assumptions and create your own truths and pass them off as facts.

american

deadnothingbetter wrote:

you're right! maybe i should shoot my neighbor who sells marijuana.

Make sure when you shoot your neighbor, you kill him. Otherwise that drug dealer will sue you for violating his civil rights and you'll go to prison.

StupidHumanBeings

Muy bien here is el problemo:

The border agents, muy bien, stopped the illegal and one border agent tripped and fell.

The border agents did not do a full pat down on the guy so there was no chance they could be *sure* he didn't have gun. Ok holmes?

As the illegal ran away they shot him. Had they actually killed him they could have proved reasonable cause that he did have a gun(ish) thing. The LAPD are experts at this assesment (and sometimes it's valid).

They missed and the guy got away. muy bien?

The border agents then proceeded to ***obstruct justice*** by conducting in evidence tampering in picking up all their shell casings (they know they FUCKED UP).

Here is where the whole thing is sour:

The agents are wrong because: Had they not tampered with edence who would have beleived an illegal Mexican over a US authority in this event? Especially since both agents are hispanic of hispanic heratige.

The government is wrong because: The enemey of your enemy is not your friend; that is to say don't get in bed with a Mexican drug trafficer to nail these two border agent's nuts to their forheads. The fact that the agents collectd the shell casings was evidence enough that they obstructed justice.

It's law enforcement folks in our country, being "right enough" does not count. Either your for the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment or you're not.

CorporateWhore

StupidHumanBeings wrote:

Muy bien here is el problemo:

The border agents, muy bien, stopped the illegal and one border agent tripped and fell.

The border agents did not do a full pat down on the guy so there was no chance they could be *sure* he didn't have gun. Ok holmes?

As the illegal ran away they shot him. Had they actually killed him they could have proved reasonable cause that he did have a gun(ish) thing. The LAPD are experts at this assesment (and sometimes it's valid).

They missed and the guy got away. muy bien?

The border agents then proceeded to ***obstruct justice*** by conducting in evidence tampering in picking up all their shell casings (they know they FUCKED UP).

Here is where the whole thing is sour:

The agents are wrong because: Had they not tampered with edence who would have beleived an illegal Mexican over a US authority in this event? Especially since both agents are hispanic of hispanic heratige.

The government is wrong because: The enemey of your enemy is not your friend; that is to say don't get in bed with a Mexican drug trafficer to nail these two border agent's nuts to their forheads. The fact that the agents collectd the shell casings was evidence enough that they obstructed justice.

It's law enforcement folks in our country, being "right enough" does not count. Either your for the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment or you're not.

I love Riot Act too. Who doesn't? It's one of their better albums IMO.

sponger

Well I noticed that the agent who did the shooting is obese. I think when he wasn't able to catch up with the trafficker, he took it personally because of his weight. He was afraid that the guys back at the station would never let him live down being outrun. So, he did what he had to do to keep from looking like the typical donut-eating law enforcement member.

StupidHumanBeings

CorporateWhore wrote:

I love Riot Act too. Who doesn't? It's one of their better albums IMO.

How can you not have a good album, you get divorced, 9 people die in front of you, and 9/11 turns the world upside down.

What kind of a corporate whore are you. I only ask because I was a corporate whore myself. I was an officer of the company actually, gave it up recently actually.

CorporateWhore

StupidHumanBeings wrote:

How can you not have a good album, you get divorced, 9 people die in front of you, and 9/11 turns the world upside down.

What kind of a corporate whore are you. I only ask because I was a corporate whore myself. I was an officer of the company actually, gave it up recently actually.

I am the devil!

Look at my post count right now!

inmytree

american wrote:

I define liberal as sending border patrol agents to jail for doing their job. Given your brief summary in your lame post, it doesn't even seem like you fully read any of the links. You like so many others around just want to make assumptions and create your own truths and pass them off as facts.

looks like I was right, you can't define the term, thanks for clearing that up...as for reading the links, I did...I also read about this story on Fox News, too...yup, that's right...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244193,00.html

and this is what stands out to me:

"These agents shot someone who they knew to be unarmed and running away," Sutton said. "They destroyed evidence, covered up a crime scene and then filed false reports about what happened. It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away."

Sutton said that during the two-and-a-half-week trial, evidence showed that around 1 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2005, Davila initially ran from the agents, but tried to surrender with his empty hands raised after Compean pointed a shotgun at him. When Compean tried to push Davila to the ground with his gun, the agent tripped and fell. Davila then ran toward the Rio Grande River and Mexico. Compean chased Davila, firing at him with his pistol 14 times, pausing once to reload, Sutton said. Ramos shot once and struck Davila in the buttocks.

Neither agent made any further effort to apprehend him, Sutton said, and they threw away the fired shell casings and filed a false report omitting the confrontation.

"If Compean and Ramos truly believed Aldrete [Davila] was a threat, why did they abandon him after shooting him?" Sutton asked. "And if they truly believed the shooting was justified, why did they not report it, leave the scene undisturbed, and let the investigation absolve them? The answer to these questions are simple. The agents knew that Aldrete did not pose a threat as he fled, they knew the shooting was unjustified and unlawful, and they knew an investigation would incriminate them. So they chose to cover up their crimes."

Obi Once

jeffbr wrote:

I don't have any problem with them shooting a criminal who is resisting and fleeing. I don't care if some illegal gets a slug in his ass as a consequence of his own actions.

I loooove violence too, even more when it's real!

If you are to uphold the law and tamper with evidence and lie about what you did.. You don't deserve the badge and an example needs to be made, lock 'm up!