your vote does count. regardless of how you feel about the national ticket and electoral votes, dont forget about the LOCAL elections. 4 years ago, our governor won by 137 VOTES.
Also, don't just vote for the sake of voting. The more uniformed voters who vote, the more the whole system starts campaigning to the base uninformed crowd, and as a result the whole process is skewed. Madatory voting would be a farce without the proper education. The only way a true democracy can occur is with the full disclosure of information coupled with the full participation of the voting population. The more uniformed people vote, the less the informed votes actually mean.
Even half of the people who posture and profess to be informed are sitting on a bunch of bullshit filtered information. The media, their friends, their families, their education all produce biases.
Maybe we need a benevolent dictator...a philosopher king ala socrates.
What do I know though. Make up your own minds and don't listen to musicians, the news, your teachers, me, etc. Try and find a wealth of information, make up your own mind, and make the best of a fundamentally flawed system.
Until a radical social political and economic change occurs...it's evolution, baby.
And I don't vote because I don't care. It's my right NOT TO vote just as much as it is my right TO vote. So keep your open-minded "every vote counts" holier-than-thou attitudes to yourselves.
You can all keep picking on CRAZY BREED but it makes you all seem even dumber. if this was TRULY a democratic nation BUSH wouldnt be in office, we wouldnt be in a meaningless war, we wouldnt have the highest incarceration rate on the planet...and we wouldnt be the laughing stock of the rest of the world!
i'm glad you know enough to understand what i was saying
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
the only thing that is pathetic around here is your clueless assumptions of who and what i am/do.
I am an activist and i do plenty to spread the truth the only problem is that the sheeple don't like the truth! they don't like being told they are wrong! they don't like being told that all they know is a lie! and they respond just like you did.
you're the one who is having his mind "stroked" and you're not even able to see it!
Ohh. You're an activist. Great!!
Pass the bong...Stroke My Mind...What's your solution?
And I don't vote because I don't care. It's my right NOT TO vote just as much as it is my right TO vote. So keep your open-minded "every vote counts" holier-than-thou attitudes to yourselves.
Nice approach.
Got to love a country that votes more for an American Fucking Idol than it does for their President.
A Fucking nation of Flesh Blobs with nothing between the ears..
It's so easy to be "that guy" quote some fucking philosopher conspiracy theorist chump and stay idol.
Preaching to all of us "brainwashed masses" that our vote doesn't matter.
Yet all anyone has to do is actually do some research on the candidates.
But reasearch is just too much work these days days.
So much easier to be a pessimist. So much easier to sit on the fence and complain rather PROVIDE ANY FUCKING SOLUTIONS!!!
Do you know how many countries there are around this world that would DIE to have an opportunity to take part in the voting process?
Do you know how many Men and Women have actually DIED and SHED BLOOD to give you a I chance to vote?
And you dare piss that away.
You say the system is broke...Well why don't you provide some solutions.
but as sad and negative as CRAZY BREEDS attitude is...its TRUE...hello? just look at the last two elections? who won? NOT FUCKING BUSH! who was put in office? FUCKING BUSH!
Whatever happend to WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? "oh we dont talk about that anymore cause its not on CNN." Well, we went to war over them, everyone just forgets...
Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? "oh, we dont talk about him anymore cause fox news hasnt mentioned him in a while"
but your vote really doesnt mean anything....HASNT ANYONE HERE HEARD OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE? your vote doesnt matter...anyone go to history class in elementary school? or did we just forget that too?
You can all keep picking on CRAZY BREED but it makes you all seem even dumber. if this was TRULY a democratic nation BUSH wouldnt be in office, we wouldnt be in a meaningless war, we wouldnt have the highest incarceration rate on the planet...and we wouldnt be the laughing stock of the rest of the world!
we actually had it good with Clinton but we are so stupid we though it was bad...remember how we actually tried to get him impeached over having his pee pee sucked? WAKE UP AMERICA!
-Every recount held had Bush as the winner, where is the controversy?
-The WMDs that he used on his people that you don't think existed, were moved to Syria, maybe the liberal media didn't get that news to you?
-Bin Laden is most likely dead. If the US kills him, he becomes a martyr. If he lives, he is a hero. If he slowly disappears from our consciousness, then he becomes neither! I hope we never "find him" or hear from him again!
-Thank the heavens for the Electoral College, it kept Gore out of office! Now he has time to invent hoaxes like global warming... which you don't hear about anymore! You think things are bad now, it would be much worse with Democrats in control! Look what happened to gas prices over the last 2 years with Democrats in control of congress!
-That meaningless war has liberated a country from a dictator, and kept the terrorist from attacking us. If Bush wouldn't have acted, you would be on here now blaming him for new terrorist attacks brought on by him not acting!
-Or not, because you don't seem to understand that Clinton's inaction led to many terrorist attacks, ultimately 9-11. But hey, things were good because Al Gore invented the internet and Bill Clinton was solely responsible for the Tech Boom! I see you are not too good with history, politics, or just facts in general! Clinton WAS impeached, and it was because he lied under oath.
-This is not a Democratic nation; we are a Representative Republic.... If you can't get that part right, what makes you think you are informed on current politics?
-Every recount held had Bush as the winner, where is the controversy?
-The WMDs that he used on his people that you don't think existed, were moved to Syria, maybe the liberal media didn't get that news to you?
-Bin Laden is most likely dead. If the US kills him, he becomes a martyr. If he lives, he is a hero. If he slowly disappears from our consciousness, then he becomes neither! I hope we never "find him" or hear from him again!
-Thank the heavens for the Electoral College, it kept Gore out of office! Now he has time to invent hoaxes like global warming... which you don't hear about anymore! You think things are bad now, it would be much worse with Democrats in control! Look what happened to gas prices over the last 2 years with Democrats in control of congress!
-That meaningless war has liberated a country from a dictator, and kept the terrorist from attacking us. If Bush wouldn't have acted, you would be on here now blaming him for new terrorist attacks brought on by him not acting!
-Or not, because you don't seem to understand that Clinton's inaction led to many terrorist attacks, ultimately 9-11. But hey, things were good because Al Gore invented the internet and Bill Clinton was solely responsible for the Tech Boom! I see you are not too good with history, politics, or just facts in general! Clinton WAS impeached, and it was because he lied under oath.
-This is not a Democratic nation; we are a Representative Republic.... If you can't get that part right, what makes you think you are informed on current politics?
Got to love a country that votes more for an American Fucking Idol than it does for their President.
A Fucking nation of Flesh Blobs with nothing between the ears..
It's so easy to be "that guy" quote some fucking philosopher conspiracy theorist chump and stay idol.
Preaching to all of us "brainwashed masses" that our vote doesn't matter.
Yet all anyone has to do is actually do some research on the candidates.
But reasearch is just too much work these days days.
So much easier to be a pessimist. So much easier to sit on the fence and complain rather PROVIDE ANY FUCKING SOLUTIONS!!!
Do you know how many countries there are around this world that would DIE to have an opportunity to take part in the voting process?
Do you know how many Men and Women have actually DIED and SHED BLOOD to give you a I chance to vote?
And you dare piss that away.
You say the system is broke...Well why don't you provide some solutions.
But I guess that's too much work as well.
you are part of the problem not the solution.All you have been able to do is talk a bunch of shit and regurgitate/parrot the rest of the like minded lemmings who are too ignorant to realize their ignorance.
the solution is first to help people pull their heads out of their asses and stop listening to CNN.NBC,CBS,MSNBC and all the swill merchants and start realizing they are being lied to,manipulated and controlled.Once that happens and only when that happens we can then work on a solution(you can't put the cart before the horse)
SO what the fuck ARE YOU DOING to make this a better planet??!!..oh you voted so your job is done right.
Im seriously dumbfounded that its not compulsory to vote in what meant to be the world superpower.
Jesus Christ! There's a little something called civil liberty in this country. Why people call for government use of force and coercion as a remedy for problems is beyond me. Fuck that. I guess that's the attitude that leads us to have to chose between two assholes who will grow the government and continue to chip away at our liberties.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Jesus Christ! There's a little something called civil liberty in this country. Why people call for government use of force and coercion as a remedy for problems is beyond me. Fuck that. I guess that's the attitude that leads us to have to chose between two assholes who will grow the government and continue to chip away at our liberties.
you are part of the problem not the solution.All you have been able to do is talk a bunch of shit and regurgitate/parrot the rest of the like minded lemmings who are too ignorant to realize their ignorance.
the solution is first to help people pull their heads out of their asses and stop listening to CNN.NBC,CBS,MSNBC and all the swill merchants and start realizing they are being lied to,manipulated and controlled.Once that happens and only when that happens we can then work on a solution(you can't put the cart before the horse)
SO what the fuck ARE YOU DOING to make this a better planet??!!..oh you voted so your job is done right.
Again.
No solutions
Blah Blah Blah.
Change don't happen by regurgitating some hippie waterhead philosopher who says that the Druids and Free Mason's are really running the show.
I'm a little more intelligent than to buy into the bullshit that our minds are controlled by the High Leader of the Sloth on the Planet Zortran.
I don't play with Science Fiction and Hollywood Conspiracy Theory bores me.
I'm on the ground.
I'm active in my Community.
Building it Brick By Brick
Besides...
I voted today.
You didn't
I did something today.
YOU DIDN'T!!!!!
And to answer your question.
NO
The job doesn't end now!!
It's only just begun.
I'm working in my commuity with my community. State and Local
I don't just come out every four years and blindly cast a vote.
But again I ask...ACTIVIST???
What's your solution?
REVOLT? BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE?
Give me a solution...Not some Quote from some bullshit book I can roll a joint off.
If you wanna wear the armour
Learn how to take one in the chest.
Change don't happen by regurgitating some hippie waterhead philosopher who says that the Druids and Free Mason's are really running the show.
I'm a little more intelligent than to buy into the bullshit that our minds are controlled by the High Leader of the Sloth on the Planet Zortran.
I don't play with Science Fiction and Hollywood Conspiracy Theory.
I'm on the ground.
I'm active in my Community.
Building it Brick By Brick
Besides...
I voted today.
You didn't
I did something today.
YOU DIDN'T!!!!!
And to answer your question.
NO
The job doesn't end now!!
It's only just begun.
I'm working in my commuity with my community. State and Local
I don't just come out every four years and blindly cast a vote.
But again I ask...ACTIVIST???
What's your solution?
REVOLT? BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE?
Give me a solution...Not some Quote from some bullshit book I can roll a joint off.
first of all what the ignorant think is conspiracy the informed know to be the truth.High Leader of the Sloth on the Planet Zortran?? what the fuck are you smoking?
secondly I'm not a hippie (not that there is anything wrong with hippies.)
3rd i gave you a solution...it's to educate uninformed people like you till we have enough people who are "awake" to bring about change.
and you say REVOLT like it's not an option or something we should entertain..maybe you should go read the declaration of independence again..i posted it a page or so back.
oh yeah...i did vote..just not for either of the two douche-bags(mostly because of the STATE issues that were on the ballot,not so much for the Pres.)
I'm not trying to bash Crazy Breed, or anyone else who has an opinion on the matter. So, lets assume for a minute that the elections are a charade, that our votes are meaningless, and that a "leader" has already been chosen for us by the higher ups. Assuming all that, it brings certain questions to mind:
How does staying home, and not voting help to end the charade?
Why do the candidates, who would seem more politically-aware than most of us, go through so much time, money, and grief to obtain worthless votes?
If the higher ups are in complete control, why did the 2000 election between Bush and Gore take so long to "resolve"?
If the higher ups have an unabashed final say, why do mud-slingling and smear tactics occur in most elections? Don't those types of things tend to finger the corporate masters?
No sir, I just can't buy it. I'm not saying that elections, campaigns, and politics in general are free of corruption. What I am saying, is that exercising your voice is one of the best, and most important forms of activism. For any activist, I can't see why avoiding the polls would be a no-brainer.
I have a generally open mind, but it is just as ignorant of you to call those that don't share your beliefs ignorant. If you truely want to open up people's minds to information then share the information. All you have done thus far is stated an opinion and as of now it is unsubstantiated.
I don't want to get into arguing semantics, and there is obvious corruption and scandal in the world, but the image you portray on here is counter productive to your self proclaimed goal.
Again, I'm not bashing anybody or their views or opinions, but when you take an extremist viewpoint, and don't substantiate it with anything other than calling people who question you ignorant, you seem like you're on LSD. No offense though.
Maybe you are right. If we, open minded individuals, had something more than opinion and more along the lines of unbiased facts, maybe we could make our own informed opinions.
If you post something along those lines intelligently and people brush you away without a thought, then you can feel free to call them ignorant. If they come up with intelligent counter points and are not convinced and you brush them off without a thought, that too is ignorant.
Just a little rant. Intelligent discussion is always a good thing.
3rd i gave you a solution...it's to educate uninformed people like you till we have enough people who are "awake" to bring about change
Hmm...How enlightning!!
Okay Let's keep score here.
1)You don't vote
2)Don't participate in the system
3)You don't have any solutions.
Great Action there Activist!!!
Let's wait around until the minds of the people are emancipated?
Sorry...but I'm not waiting for anybody to get there shit together.
I'm doing it on my own. Making sure that progressive leaders are elected to the State and Local Level.
Building 3rd Party Representation from the ground up.
I've even become involved in my own community by getting on Public Boards to keep my local politicians in check and get my foot in the door so that if no one else is gonna make CHANGE; then maybe I'll do it myself.
and you say REVOLT like it's not an option or something we should entertain..maybe you should go read the declaration of independence again..i posted it a page or so back
So how are you honoring the FREEDOM, INDEPENDENCE, and COUNTRY which THAT REVOLT awarded you?
NOT VOTING??
NOT PARTICIPATING??
I got this theory.
1)You gain The King's Trust
2)You get invited to The King's Party
3)You wait until The King's guard is down
4)You sneak up behind The King and slit his throat.
You DON'T head over to the castle with a bunch of Villagers with torches and try to burn down the kingdom.
You've got to play the game in order to bring about CHANGE.
Get out there on the ground
Use the system to your advantage
Work it in your favor
Elect at the State and Local Level...The progressive leaders you seek.
Plant the disease
Let it work it's way through the system.
I'm not trying to bash Crazy Breed, or anyone else who has an opinion on the matter. So, lets assume for a minute that the elections are a charade, that our votes are meaningless, and that a "leader" has already been chosen for us by the higher ups. Assuming all that, it brings certain questions to mind:
How does staying home, and not voting help to end the charade?
Why do the candidates, who would seem more politically-aware than most of us, go through so much time, money, and grief to obtain worthless votes?
it's all part of the illusion...their scheme wouldn't work if you were able to see through it so easily..and where do you think they get all this money to campaign with?
If the higher ups have an unabashed final say, why do mud-slingling and smear tactics occur in most elections? Don't those types of things tend to finger the corporate masters?
it's a lot like WWF wrestling...fake opposition..plus there is in house fighting by the underlings over who gets a bigger piece of the pie (democrats or republicans).
No sir, I just can't buy it. I'm not saying that elections, campaigns, and politics in general are free of corruption. What I am saying, is that exercising your voice is one of the best, and most important forms of activism. For any activist, I can't see why avoiding the polls would be a no-brainer.
see...all their lies and disinformation works very well..you still believe that the system works.Voting USED to be important..not anymore.
1)You don't vote
2)Don't participate in the system
3)You don't have any solutions.
Great Action there Activist!!!
Let's wait around until the minds of the people are emancipated?
Sorry...but I'm not waiting for anybody to get there shit together.
I'm doing it on my own. Making sure that progressive leaders are elected to the State and Local Level.
Building 3rd Party Representation from the ground up.
I've even become involved in my own community by getting on Public Boards to keep my local politicians in check and get my foot in the door so that if no one else is gonna make CHANGE; then maybe I'll do it myself.
i guess you don't read to well huh?? i just fucking said i voted!!!just not for one of the whores!!
so you're saying education is not a solution?that's how we got in this mess to begin with! because we are a nation of dumbed-down idiots who know more about sports and American Idol than they do about how their government operates.
So how are you honoring the FREEDOM, INDEPENDENCE, and COUNTRY that that REVOLT awarded you?
NOT VOTING??
NOT PARTICIPATING??
I got this theory.
1)You gain The King's Trust
2)You get invited to The King's Party
3)You wait until The King's guard is down
4)You sneak up behind The King and slit his throat.
You DON'T head over to the castle with a bunch of Villagers with torches and try to burn down the kingdom.
You've got to play the game in order to bring about CHANGE.
Get out there on the ground
Use the system to your advantage
Work it in your favor
Elect at the State and Local Level...The progressive leaders you seek.
Plant the disease
Let it work it's way through the system.
it doesn't work like that..this isn't the 1700's anymore!
I have a generally open mind, but it is just as ignorant of you to call those that don't share your beliefs ignorant. If you truely want to open up people's minds to information then share the information. All you have done thus far is stated an opinion and as of now it is unsubstantiated.
I don't want to get into arguing semantics, and there is obvious corruption and scandal in the world, but the image you portray on here is counter productive to your self proclaimed goal.
Again, I'm not bashing anybody or their views or opinions, but when you take an extremist viewpoint, and don't substantiate it with anything other than calling people who question you ignorant, you seem like you're on LSD. No offense though.
Maybe you are right. If we, open minded individuals, had something more than opinion and more along the lines of unbiased facts, maybe we could make our own informed opinions.
If you post something along those lines intelligently and people brush you away without a thought, then you can feel free to call them ignorant. If they come up with intelligent counter points and are not convinced and you brush them off without a thought, that too is ignorant.
Just a little rant. Intelligent discussion is always a good thing.
the problem is no one wants to accept anything as fact unless CNN(or any of the other military industrial complex controlled stations) tells them it's fact.how do you escape the brain washing if you are seeking truth from the brain washers?
i guess you don't read to well huh?? i just fucking said i voted!!!just not for one of the whores!!!
I'm glad you voted.
Yet in a thread that was obviously started to celebrate the process of voting in this country. You come on here and preach about how pointless it is.
And how we should inform ourselves before we vote. Blindly assuming that your are the only one that is informed because you decided to vote for Nader or Paul or a 3rd Party Candidate for Prez.
so you're saying education is not a solution?that's how we got in this mess to begin with! because we are a nation of dumbed-down idiots who know more about sports and American Idol than they do about how their government operates.!!!
Where did I say education wasn't a solution? I just said I'm not going to wait around for everyone to catch up.
it doesn't work like that..this isn't the 1700's anymore.!!!
FACT: There are more independent 3rd party candidates on ballot this year at the State and Local level then at any other time in United States History.
the problem is no one wants to accept anything as fact unless CNN(or any of the other military industrial complex controlled stations) tells them it's fact.how do you escape the brain washing if you are seeking truth from the brain washers?
It doesn't hurt to try. I don't watch the news much, especially being from Canada. But just as CNN/MSNBC/FOX etc are biased and have their own agenda, so do others. It doesn't do any good to ignore CNN because they are biased and only get your information from some other source. More than likely the truth lies in the gray area in the middle. I try to take in all I can from books and other sources, paying attention to others opinions and corroborating it with my own. That is what having an open mind is about.
I'm trying not to get into my own personal beliefs here, but I will get into it more if asked. Before I do that though, crazy breed, could you give a more concise rundown of what your point was at the beginning? Do you think that the government is controlled by a central figure/group or something along those lines, or do you think the election was rigged by Bush et. al, or just in conspiracies in general. I'm trying to get a feel for how far reaching you think the corruption goes.
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Also, don't just vote for the sake of voting. The more uniformed voters who vote, the more the whole system starts campaigning to the base uninformed crowd, and as a result the whole process is skewed. Madatory voting would be a farce without the proper education. The only way a true democracy can occur is with the full disclosure of information coupled with the full participation of the voting population. The more uniformed people vote, the less the informed votes actually mean.
Even half of the people who posture and profess to be informed are sitting on a bunch of bullshit filtered information. The media, their friends, their families, their education all produce biases.
Maybe we need a benevolent dictator...a philosopher king ala socrates.
What do I know though. Make up your own minds and don't listen to musicians, the news, your teachers, me, etc. Try and find a wealth of information, make up your own mind, and make the best of a fundamentally flawed system.
Until a radical social political and economic change occurs...it's evolution, baby.
And I don't vote because I don't care. It's my right NOT TO vote just as much as it is my right TO vote. So keep your open-minded "every vote counts" holier-than-thou attitudes to yourselves.
I'm not sayin I'm the most prepared voter, but I also have no interest in urging people, that have no interest, to vote.
People need to be urged to be prepared to vote, not to vote.
i believe in the "your vote doesnt count" but if OBAMA does 1/3 of what hes talking about in office itll be a huge change for the better....
COME ON LANDSLIDE!!! HOPEFULLY ITLL BE OVER BY 7:30pm eastern!! with a clear winner!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
i'm glad you know enough to understand what i was saying
it is sad and i take no pleasure in being right about it..in fact i WISH that i was wrong..but not enough to bury my head in the sand.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
— John Hancock
Ohh. You're an activist. Great!!
Pass the bong...Stroke My Mind...What's your solution?
What are you doing to change the system?
Nice approach.
Got to love a country that votes more for an American Fucking Idol than it does for their President.
A Fucking nation of Flesh Blobs with nothing between the ears..
It's so easy to be "that guy" quote some fucking philosopher conspiracy theorist chump and stay idol.
Preaching to all of us "brainwashed masses" that our vote doesn't matter.
Yet all anyone has to do is actually do some research on the candidates.
But reasearch is just too much work these days days.
So much easier to be a pessimist. So much easier to sit on the fence and complain rather PROVIDE ANY FUCKING SOLUTIONS!!!
Do you know how many countries there are around this world that would DIE to have an opportunity to take part in the voting process?
Do you know how many Men and Women have actually DIED and SHED BLOOD to give you a I chance to vote?
And you dare piss that away.
You say the system is broke...Well why don't you provide some solutions.
But I guess that's too much work as well.
-Every recount held had Bush as the winner, where is the controversy?
-The WMDs that he used on his people that you don't think existed, were moved to Syria, maybe the liberal media didn't get that news to you?
-Bin Laden is most likely dead. If the US kills him, he becomes a martyr. If he lives, he is a hero. If he slowly disappears from our consciousness, then he becomes neither! I hope we never "find him" or hear from him again!
-Thank the heavens for the Electoral College, it kept Gore out of office! Now he has time to invent hoaxes like global warming... which you don't hear about anymore! You think things are bad now, it would be much worse with Democrats in control! Look what happened to gas prices over the last 2 years with Democrats in control of congress!
-That meaningless war has liberated a country from a dictator, and kept the terrorist from attacking us. If Bush wouldn't have acted, you would be on here now blaming him for new terrorist attacks brought on by him not acting!
-Or not, because you don't seem to understand that Clinton's inaction led to many terrorist attacks, ultimately 9-11. But hey, things were good because Al Gore invented the internet and Bill Clinton was solely responsible for the Tech Boom! I see you are not too good with history, politics, or just facts in general! Clinton WAS impeached, and it was because he lied under oath.
-This is not a Democratic nation; we are a Representative Republic.... If you can't get that part right, what makes you think you are informed on current politics?
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
Wow.
Watch Fox News much?
you are part of the problem not the solution.All you have been able to do is talk a bunch of shit and regurgitate/parrot the rest of the like minded lemmings who are too ignorant to realize their ignorance.
the solution is first to help people pull their heads out of their asses and stop listening to CNN.NBC,CBS,MSNBC and all the swill merchants and start realizing they are being lied to,manipulated and controlled.Once that happens and only when that happens we can then work on a solution(you can't put the cart before the horse)
SO what the fuck ARE YOU DOING to make this a better planet??!!..oh you voted so your job is done right.
Jesus Christ! There's a little something called civil liberty in this country. Why people call for government use of force and coercion as a remedy for problems is beyond me. Fuck that. I guess that's the attitude that leads us to have to chose between two assholes who will grow the government and continue to chip away at our liberties.
BINGO!
Again.
No solutions
Blah Blah Blah.
Change don't happen by regurgitating some hippie waterhead philosopher who says that the Druids and Free Mason's are really running the show.
I'm a little more intelligent than to buy into the bullshit that our minds are controlled by the High Leader of the Sloth on the Planet Zortran.
I don't play with Science Fiction and Hollywood Conspiracy Theory bores me.
I'm on the ground.
I'm active in my Community.
Building it Brick By Brick
Besides...
I voted today.
You didn't
I did something today.
YOU DIDN'T!!!!!
And to answer your question.
NO
The job doesn't end now!!
It's only just begun.
I'm working in my commuity with my community. State and Local
I don't just come out every four years and blindly cast a vote.
But again I ask...ACTIVIST???
What's your solution?
REVOLT? BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE?
Give me a solution...Not some Quote from some bullshit book I can roll a joint off.
If you wanna wear the armour
Learn how to take one in the chest.
first of all what the ignorant think is conspiracy the informed know to be the truth.High Leader of the Sloth on the Planet Zortran?? what the fuck are you smoking?
secondly I'm not a hippie (not that there is anything wrong with hippies.)
3rd i gave you a solution...it's to educate uninformed people like you till we have enough people who are "awake" to bring about change.
and you say REVOLT like it's not an option or something we should entertain..maybe you should go read the declaration of independence again..i posted it a page or so back.
oh yeah...i did vote..just not for either of the two douche-bags(mostly because of the STATE issues that were on the ballot,not so much for the Pres.)
How does staying home, and not voting help to end the charade?
Why do the candidates, who would seem more politically-aware than most of us, go through so much time, money, and grief to obtain worthless votes?
If the higher ups are in complete control, why did the 2000 election between Bush and Gore take so long to "resolve"?
If the higher ups have an unabashed final say, why do mud-slingling and smear tactics occur in most elections? Don't those types of things tend to finger the corporate masters?
No sir, I just can't buy it. I'm not saying that elections, campaigns, and politics in general are free of corruption. What I am saying, is that exercising your voice is one of the best, and most important forms of activism. For any activist, I can't see why avoiding the polls would be a no-brainer.
"Change don't come at once, it's a wave" - eV
Another question, if voting is an "irrelevant" "illusion", why would you do it?
I have a generally open mind, but it is just as ignorant of you to call those that don't share your beliefs ignorant. If you truely want to open up people's minds to information then share the information. All you have done thus far is stated an opinion and as of now it is unsubstantiated.
I don't want to get into arguing semantics, and there is obvious corruption and scandal in the world, but the image you portray on here is counter productive to your self proclaimed goal.
Again, I'm not bashing anybody or their views or opinions, but when you take an extremist viewpoint, and don't substantiate it with anything other than calling people who question you ignorant, you seem like you're on LSD. No offense though.
Maybe you are right. If we, open minded individuals, had something more than opinion and more along the lines of unbiased facts, maybe we could make our own informed opinions.
If you post something along those lines intelligently and people brush you away without a thought, then you can feel free to call them ignorant. If they come up with intelligent counter points and are not convinced and you brush them off without a thought, that too is ignorant.
Just a little rant. Intelligent discussion is always a good thing.
Hmm...How enlightning!!
Okay Let's keep score here.
1)You don't vote
2)Don't participate in the system
3)You don't have any solutions.
Great Action there Activist!!!
Let's wait around until the minds of the people are emancipated?
Sorry...but I'm not waiting for anybody to get there shit together.
I'm doing it on my own. Making sure that progressive leaders are elected to the State and Local Level.
Building 3rd Party Representation from the ground up.
I've even become involved in my own community by getting on Public Boards to keep my local politicians in check and get my foot in the door so that if no one else is gonna make CHANGE; then maybe I'll do it myself.
So how are you honoring the FREEDOM, INDEPENDENCE, and COUNTRY which THAT REVOLT awarded you?
NOT VOTING??
NOT PARTICIPATING??
I got this theory.
1)You gain The King's Trust
2)You get invited to The King's Party
3)You wait until The King's guard is down
4)You sneak up behind The King and slit his throat.
You DON'T head over to the castle with a bunch of Villagers with torches and try to burn down the kingdom.
You've got to play the game in order to bring about CHANGE.
Get out there on the ground
Use the system to your advantage
Work it in your favor
Elect at the State and Local Level...The progressive leaders you seek.
Plant the disease
Let it work it's way through the system.
how does going to the polls end the charade?
it's all part of the illusion...their scheme wouldn't work if you were able to see through it so easily..and where do you think they get all this money to campaign with?
because some people caught on and they needed to feign action.did it matter?who became president when it was all said and done?
it's a lot like WWF wrestling...fake opposition..plus there is in house fighting by the underlings over who gets a bigger piece of the pie (democrats or republicans).
see...all their lies and disinformation works very well..you still believe that the system works.Voting USED to be important..not anymore.
start HERE
and HERE
and HERE
or HERE
or HERE
there is tons of information on rigged elections from a number of investigative journalists and Activists..from Greg Palast to Gore Vidal
i guess you don't read to well huh?? i just fucking said i voted!!!just not for one of the whores!!
so you're saying education is not a solution?that's how we got in this mess to begin with! because we are a nation of dumbed-down idiots who know more about sports and American Idol than they do about how their government operates.
it doesn't work like that..this isn't the 1700's anymore!
the problem is no one wants to accept anything as fact unless CNN(or any of the other military industrial complex controlled stations) tells them it's fact.how do you escape the brain washing if you are seeking truth from the brain washers?
i don't know why you equate truth with negativity? the truth may be ugly but it is never negative.
I'm glad you voted.
Yet in a thread that was obviously started to celebrate the process of voting in this country. You come on here and preach about how pointless it is.
And how we should inform ourselves before we vote. Blindly assuming that your are the only one that is informed because you decided to vote for Nader or Paul or a 3rd Party Candidate for Prez.
Where did I say education wasn't a solution? I just said I'm not going to wait around for everyone to catch up.
Is Reading Comprehension a road block for you?
FACT: There are more independent 3rd party candidates on ballot this year at the State and Local level then at any other time in United States History.
I'd say it's working.
It doesn't hurt to try. I don't watch the news much, especially being from Canada. But just as CNN/MSNBC/FOX etc are biased and have their own agenda, so do others. It doesn't do any good to ignore CNN because they are biased and only get your information from some other source. More than likely the truth lies in the gray area in the middle. I try to take in all I can from books and other sources, paying attention to others opinions and corroborating it with my own. That is what having an open mind is about.
I'm trying not to get into my own personal beliefs here, but I will get into it more if asked. Before I do that though, crazy breed, could you give a more concise rundown of what your point was at the beginning? Do you think that the government is controlled by a central figure/group or something along those lines, or do you think the election was rigged by Bush et. al, or just in conspiracies in general. I'm trying to get a feel for how far reaching you think the corruption goes.