Who are we at war with?

jsand

Abuskedti wrote:

I understand all that.. and agree.. However, if you believe there is a network of terrorists that are an enemy we are currently engaged in a war against - you have a feeling about how many there are.. is it 50-100? is it between 5 and 10 thousand.. is it approximately 100,000? is it a million?

how many of these terrorists are opposing us in this war on terror?

527,483, to be exact.

Cosmo

Abuskedti wrote:

Help me to understand who this "they" or "The terrorists" are.

In your best estimation...How many are there? Where is your best guess that they are located - How and where do they organize? What is their goal?

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Regarding our direct involvement? They are the members of al Qaeda, disbursed worldwide with the intent of destroying Western intrests worldwide. Members are in the Middle East, Indo-China, Europe, Southern Russia and the United States and Canada.
In Iraq... we are fighting a small number of individuals with varying degrees of grivences with us. The greater number of deaths over there are due to sectarian, Arab/Persian, violence that we are either unwilling or unable to cotrol or stop.
I haven't a clue of how many... but, I'm guessing that the more we remain engaged in Iraq, the more w are recruiting and trainning there. Yes, I said 'trainning'. We are not 'fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here'.. we are trainning them there, so they can take the tactics they learn and turn them against their own governments... in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan... But, i believe their numbers, while large, represent about 20% of the global population of Islam.
Their ultimate goal is the establishment of a permanent Muslim homeland... one that does not include the Jews in Israel... and depending on who you ask, the Persians in Iran and the Kurds in the old region of Kurdistan (which, by today's borders, covers parts of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria).
They also want all Western influences ousted from their homelands.

my2hands

The Boogey Man Has You All Spooked And Ready To Give Up All Your Tax Dollars And Freedoms

Keep Praying To Georgie Fucking Peorgie At Night For Security

jsand

Cosmo wrote:

Their ultimate goal is the establishment of a permanent Muslim homeland... one that does not include the Jews in Israel... and depending on who you ask, the Persians in Iran and the Kurds in the old region of Kurdistan (which, by today's borders, covers parts of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria).

Oh yeah, that's just what the Muslims are lacking - a permanent homeland.

Do you actually believe the bullshit you're spouting?

jsand

my2hands wrote:

The Boogey Man Has You All Spooked And Ready To Give Up All Your Tax Dollars And Freedoms

Keep Praying To Georgie Fucking Peorgie At Night For Security

You're right. There's no such thing as Islamic terrorism. I've been dreaming the past few years.

Thanks for reminding me again how far the left have their heads in the sand.

chopitdown

jsand wrote:

Agree, but it's 72 virgins! They wouldn't be blowing themselves up for a mere 17 virgins...

the virgins thing was a scam. here's a RELIABLE news source that says so http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38673

Pickr

DCGARDEN wrote:

OMG tell me you're kidding

Kicking the hell out of US forces

Do you even realize that the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq are predominately from Roadside bombs and carbombs exploding at check points?

You are a dillusional man if you believe the shit you're shoveling

2670 dead should not be considered getting the hell kicked out of you by a country that no longer has a formal army I guess....

Cosmo

jsand wrote:

Oh yeah, that's just what the Muslims are lacking - a permanent homeland.

Do you actually believe the bullshit you're spouting?

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The blood in your eyes from your hatred for anyone you see as your enemy blinds you... seriously.
I don't want this stuff... I was asked, not by an angry little boy like you, what I knew about our enemy. And I replied... to them.
I have said this before and you continually re-enforce my view... you are a little, hate-filled person that believes only your words are the truth. We all see you for who you are... a scared little boy who is incapable of doing anything except expousing your deep seated hatred for people other than the ones you see as one of you from the security of your side of a computer screen.

my2hands

jsand wrote:

You're right. There's no such thing as Islamic terrorism. I've been dreaming the past few years.

Thanks for reminding me again how far the left have their heads in the sand.

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they were a small group operating out of caves with box cutters, until our actions have fueled recruiting (done on purpose by our leaders i think)


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and your warrior president sat like a fucking pussy reading a book to 5 year olds while we were under attack...you "tough""macho" "killem all" types should have hung him upside down for that, but no...W is your fucking "war president" hero

BULLSHIT

Abuskedti

I am really looking for an answer from the people that generally agree with the current policies and the way we are executing the war on terror. That is the thing I don't understand.

I am wondering what you see. and what I don't see.

Its like there are two groups.

on group thinks they are in the middle of a fight. The only way to win the fight is to stay mad and stay focused on the fight. any distraction brings with it the risk of losing a battle - and reduces the chance of winning

the other group doesn't believe we are in such a fight. That all we are facing are a series of challenges that themselves distract us from working on the long term solutions to larger fundamental problems.

I belong to the groups that believe we are not in a fight - and I can't seem to communicate at all with those in the fight - because they see me as a distraction and a danger to them.

If you are one of the ones in a fight - I'd like you to explain the fight you are in.. who it is with and why it is inevidable and worth of all of our complete attention.

Commy

jsand wrote:

We are at war with Muslims who take the Koran at its word and use its passages as a basis of committing violent atrocities in an attempt to convert the world to a fundamentalist Islamic one.

Example: Once the Fox news reporters pledged their allegiance to Islam, they were set free. Get it?

So its a holy war. A war of religion.

I wonder why they don't call it it crusade...history probably will...it is anglo armies on arab lands, fighting, as you say, a religious ideal.

hsewif

'they' are everywhere.

Google the phrase "terrorist timelines" or "terrorist attacks in the 70's" (80's 90's" etc.)

About.com has an extensive list. I'd post it directly but my browser doesn't like that site for some reason.

Commy

why are "they" so pissed I wonder?

know1

I'm not at war with anyone....

jsand

my2hands wrote:

***************REMINDER************************

they were a small group operating out of caves with box cutters, until our actions have fueled recruiting (done on purpose by our leaders i think)


***************REMINDER************************


and your warrior president sat like a fucking pussy reading a book to 5 year olds while we were under attack...you "tough""macho" "killem all" types should have hung him upside down for that, but no...W is your fucking "war president" hero

BULLSHIT

Your post is complete bullshit, and your willful ignorance is astounding. A small group operating out of caves? Wake up. You act as if this was one isolated incident. There are constant terrorist atrocities being committed in the name of Islam daily. Beheadings, suicide bombings, rocket attacks, stabbings, shootings, etc. etc.

Yup. A "small group" in caves. Again, please wake up.

jsand

Commy wrote:

why are "they" so pissed I wonder?

So according to you, and other terrorist appeasers and apologists, there are legitimate grievances that justify targeting and murdering innocent civilians?

"They" aren't pissed. "They" are just following the Koran - forcing the West and all non-Islamic peoples into submission. Either convert to Islam, or die.

jlew24asu

Nothingman54 wrote:

We should be at war with our own government! Lieing fuckers!

what the fuck does this mean?

jsand

jlew24asu wrote:

what the fuck does this mean?

It's a symptom of Bush derangement syndrome. Calls for anarchy and other ridiculous sentiments.

Nothingman54

jlew24asu wrote:

what the fuck does this mean?

Meaning the Bush admin. has lied and lied and lied, ITS TIME TO TAKE A STAND AND LET OUR GOVERNMENT KNOW THEY CANT GET AWAY WITH THERE BULLSHIT, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK! ITS THE PEOPLES COUNTRY NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

jsand

Nothingman54 wrote:

Meaning the Bush admin. has lied and lied and lied, ITS TIME TO TAKE A STAND AND LET OUR GOVERNMENT KNOW THEY CANT GET AWAY WITH THERE BULLSHIT, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK! ITS THE PEOPLES COUNTRY NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

This is the place to take that stand! Woohoo!! I can hear Bush shaking in his boots!