Bush: "We know what the terrorists want because they told us"

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Apart from the deaf, all that you listed can fall under closeminded.

    That requires the assumption that the speaker has something to offer. I'm not closeminded if I don't try to have a conversation with a lamp post. Doing so would just make me an idiot.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The "subjective human experience" is often defined by the very things you mentioned. Particularly in the context of Mahmoud here.

    Understanding the objective human experience is the reason we need to listen. And I think we've heard enough from dear Mahmoud's lips to understand the situation. He has nothing to offer.

    Neither does the "free" side as well.....that's the big problem two ego maniacs led by an idealogy driven agenda going head to head...
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I for one am not holding my breath for idiot #1 to make an offer to idiot # 2 or vice-versa......
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Neither does the "free" side as well.....that's the big problem two ego maniacs led by an idealogy driven agenda going head to head...

    Completely agree.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Completely agree.

    To add-in....it scares the hell out of me.....
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Completely agree.

    they are both throwing fuel on each others fire.....
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    To add-in....it scares the hell out of me.....they are both throwing fuel on each others fire.....

    Fear is precisely what they're looking for. Disappoint them.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fear is precisely what they're looking for. Disappoint them.

    there is nothing wrong with fear when it is appropriate. it is becoming more and more clear what we need to fear.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fear is precisely what they're looking for. Disappoint them.

    No I am not scared about being attacked to say or what you are trying to get at....

    Im scared because our world is being governed by mad men.....that bugs me as we are like pawns in a giant chess game with two fools moving the pieces...and when they meet it will ultimately be the common man that will suffer which is not fair.....that sense of unfairness bugs the hell out of me....

    As for fear that is currently being generated by mass media...I laugh at that....I tend to look at the bigger picture.....
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abuskedti wrote:
    there is nothing wrong with fear when it is appropriate.

    There is nothing appropriate about granting madmen what they are seeking.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    There is nothing appropriate about granting madmen what they are seeking.

    no, you seem to be confused.. they are not seeking fear.. they are exploiting fear by misdirecting it - for personal reasons, they rationalize as political reasons. America is misinformed and therefore react inappropriately to their fears. but make no mistake, they have things to fear.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    No I am not scared about being attacked to say or what you are trying to get at....

    That's a start.
    Im scared because our world is being governed by mad men.....that bugs me as we are like pawns in a giant chess game with two fools moving the pieces...

    What you're missing is that we're moving these 'mad men' as much as they're moving us. Stop playing the game if you don't like the rules.
    and when they meet it will ultimately be the common man that will suffer which is not fair.....that sense of unfairness bugs the hell out of me....

    It's completely fair. We've granted them their advantages. Stop complaining when they use them. Rather, stop granting them.
    As for fear that is currently being generated by mass media...I laugh at that....I tend to look at the bigger picture.....

    The mass media fears aren't much different than the small media fears. Change the names but the reality stays the same.

    Fear begets aggression which begets direction.. That's what we've elected these people to do. And they do it quite nicely.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abuskedti wrote:
    no, you seem to be confused.. they are not seeking fear.. they are exploiting fear by misdirecting it - for personal reasons, they rationalize as political reasons.

    EXACTLY!!!!! Without fear they have no purpose, no ability.
    America is misinformed and therefore react inappropriately to their fears. but make no mistake, they have things to fear

    The only thing they have to fear, as the saying goes, is fear itself.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's a start.



    What you're missing is that we're moving these 'mad men' as much as they're moving us. Stop playing the game if you don't like the rules.



    It's completely fair. We've granted them their advantages. Stop complaining when they use them. Rather, stop granting them.



    The mass media fears aren't much different than the small media fears. Change the names but the reality stays the same.

    Fear begets aggression which begets direction.. That's what we've elected these people to do. And they do it quite nicely.

    I have never granted any of them any sort of advantage therefore I am hardly complaining hell for that matter I am highly outspoken in demoninzing the actions of these men...which to me is hardly complaining but more in fact fighting the system to say.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I have never granted any of them any sort of advantage therefore I am hardly complaining hell for that matter I am highly outspoken in demoninzing the actions of these men...which to me is hardly complaining but more in fact fighting the system to say.

    Fighting the system doesn't mean demonizing some men. It means eliminating that which makes the system possible -- our fears and our hate.

    I'm not calling you out here. I'm calling everyone here out, including myself. We've built these walls and we can't expect the people sitting inside them to tear them down.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fighting the system doesn't mean demonizing some men. It means eliminating that which makes the system possible -- our fears and our hate.

    I'm not calling you out here. I'm calling everyone here out, including myself. We've built these walls and we can't expect the people sitting inside them to tear them down.

    But using our voices is one of many methods we can use to tear down the walls.....
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    But using our voices is one of many methods we can use to tear down the walls.....

    Yes, but it all depends on where those voices come from. If they come from fear, any type of fear, we're only making those walls higher and those mad men stronger.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, but it all depends on where those voices come from. If they come from fear, any type of fear, we're only making those walls higher and those mad men stronger.

    No not from fear but voices questioning their madness.....voices that will communicate to others about the big problem afflicting the world today....more like voices of awareness......voices that strike-down the fear they throw upon us to swallow up like baby birds.......
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    No not from fear but voices questioning their madness.....voices that will communicate to others about the big problem afflicting the world today....more like voices of awareness......voices that strike-down the fear they throw upon us to swallow up like baby birds.......

    Questioning is good. Answering is also good. Just don't look to the madmen to answer your questions.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Questioning is good. Answering is also good. Just don't look to the madmen to answer your questions.

    I'm not.....

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