People really believe we are not a racist nation

AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I hear anti-Canadian sentiments from you American pigs all the time. :p
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    So the lunatic writings of a single citizen = a racist nation? How does a racist nation vote for people of color? How did a muslim get elected to congress? How, in fact, is a "nation" racist?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • MCGMCG Posts: 780
    jeffbr wrote:
    So the lunatic writings of a single citizen = a racist nation? How does a racist nation vote for people of color? How did a muslim get elected to congress? How, in fact, is a "nation" racist?

    Similar to my thougts, this article only reflects the opions of that guy not the nation and I doubt he was elected to congress based on that platform.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Once I was waiting in line at the GAP and I overheard one of the cashiers say something to a co-worker after she had just rung up a family. The wife, husband, and two kids all looked to be fully aryian -white skin, blonde hair...etc. They were too far away for me to tell whether or not they had blue eyes.

    The cashier said, "That's an all-american family." I don't know about anybody else, but I think that pretty much amounts to racism. It's not overt racism. She wasn't saying, "They are a credit to the fatherland." But, I think it's obvious to see that her vision of "America" was not the "melting pot" version.

    I wouldn't be surprised if most white americans feel the same way. Maybe they don't hate people of non-white descent, but they probably deep down see them as almost like invaders or guests.

    And, again, that's still racism. It's still whites vs. the non-whites, but on a more passive level. I would hate to have to work for someone like that -someone who thinks I'm not as american as the white guy. It would mean having to work that much harder than the white guy just to prove that I belong here. That's the racism that still exists in this country.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    sponger wrote:
    Once I was waiting in line at the GAP and I overheard one of the cashiers say something to a co-worker after she had just rung up a family. The wife, husband, and two kids all looked to be fully aryian -white skin, blonde hair...etc. They were too far away for me to tell whether or not they had blue eyes.

    The cashier said, "That's an all-american family." I don't know about anybody else, but I think that pretty much amounts to racism. It's not overt racism. She wasn't saying, "They are a credit to the fatherland." But, I think it's obvious to see that her vision of "America" was not the "melting pot" version.

    I wouldn't be surprised if most white americans feel the same way. Maybe they don't hate people of non-white descent, but they probably deep down see them as almost like invaders or guests.

    And, again, that's still racism. It's still whites vs. the non-whites, but on a more passive level. I would hate to have to work for someone like that -someone who thinks I'm not as american as the white guy. It would mean having to work that much harder than the white guy just to prove that I belong here. That's the racism that still exists in this country.

    I work in custom media and stereotypically, blonde hair and blue eyes are considered "All-American". We shy away from putting too many people who fit that stereotype in our publications because we, as a publishing firm, need to show diversity, since they are sent to customers across the country. It's not racism, it's a stereotype.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I believe there are racists in the U.S., but I do not believe we are a racist nation.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    know1 wrote:
    I believe there are racists in the U.S., but I do not believe we are a racist nation.

    Glen Beck still has a job
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Glen Beck still has a job

    So do you....I think...

    What's your point?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    It's not racism, it's a stereotype.

    Exactly, a lot of people don't even know what the word means.
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  • Abuskedti wrote:
    Yet again, a religious conservative doesn't understand the concept multiculturalism. He 'fears' Muslims? What a prick. Personally I don't feel particularly passionate about the Qu'ran, but I don't about the bible either. Or The Sacred Parchement of the Stonecutters. Goode is a classic example of somebody who believes in segregation and supremacy. He is a Christian who looks up to God and the ten commandments, and everyone else should, therefore anyone else can fuck off. By holding these beliefs he is disrespecting the USA and everything it is supposed to stand for (freedom, justice etc)

    No doubt there are many people like him. That doesn't necessarily make America a racist country. There are some intolerants, yes, but a few arseholes here and there doesn't mean that something's full of shit, does it?
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    know1 wrote:
    So do you....I think...

    What's your point?

    He went into peoples homes and asked a US Congressman, considering he was a Muslim - how could he be trusted....
  • yield2meyield2me Posts: 1,291
    know1 wrote:
    I believe there are racists in the U.S., but I do not believe we are a racist nation.



    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You should get outside more often!
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    yield2me wrote:
    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You should get outside more often!

    Are the people who are seeing racism everywhere projecting? Just wondering.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    jeffbr wrote:
    Are the people who are seeing racism everywhere projecting? Just wondering.


    I'm tired of people calling everyone racist. It's just stupid and accomplishes nothing.

    But it's cool to sit back in your leather chair at your thousand dollar computer and write about the evils of the USA. What's cooler than that?

    Being realistic instead of so theatrical would go a long way.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He went into peoples homes and asked a US Congressman, considering he was a Muslim - how could he be trusted....

    Again......so?

    What does that have to do with America being a racist nation? Do you often see one person do something and then project it onto millions of people? Perhaps you are the problem that you are calling out...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    I'm tired of people calling everyone racist. It's just stupid and accomplishes nothing.

    But it's cool to sit back in your leather chair at your thousand dollar computer and write about the evils of the USA. What's cooler than that?

    Being realistic instead of so theatrical would go a long way.

    Totally agree. I'd love to see somebody answer my questions in a previous post in this thread about what makes a "nation" racist. I understand individuals being racist. I still don't get nations being racist, unless they have laws denying rights to people based on race, and I'm not aware of those existing here (outside of some poorly crafted affirmative action programs).
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jeffbr wrote:
    Totally agree. I'd love to see somebody answer my questions in a previous post in this thread about what makes a "nation" racist. I understand individuals being racist. I still don't get nations being racist, unless they have laws denying rights to people based on race, and I'm not aware of those existing here (outside of some poorly crafted affirmative action programs).

    we play political games by killing 600,000 Iraqis. We as a nation comfortably overlook that. If we killed 600,000 people that looked and acted like us - for example in England - the outrage would be massive..

    That is a racist nation.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Abuskedti wrote:
    we play political games by killing 600,000 Iraqis. We as a nation comfortably overlook that. If we killed 600,000 people that looked and acted like us - for example in England - the outrage would be massive..

    That is a racist nation.

    You have to be kidding. You been drinking the Che Kool-aid again?
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    You have to be kidding. You been drinking the Che Kool-aid again?

    not kidding at all..

    The dead Iraqis are not even a consideration in our decision making. In fact, it seems we look at that as a bright side of this adventure.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Jeanwah wrote:
    It's not racism, it's a stereotype.

    A stereotype based on race is racism.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Abuskedti wrote:
    we play political games by killing 600,000 Iraqis. We as a nation comfortably overlook that. If we killed 600,000 people that looked and acted like us - for example in England - the outrage would be massive..

    That is a racist nation.

    2 things:

    - who is "we"? Did US servicemen actually kill 600,000 Iraqis?

    - we killed them because they're brown? I thought you guys always said the war was about oil.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    jeffbr wrote:
    2 things:

    - who is "we"? Did US servicemen actually kill 600,000 Iraqis?

    - we killed them because they're brown? I thought you guys always said the war was about oil.

    His point is that if the oil belonged to white people, we wouldn't be so inclined to murder 600,000 of them for it.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    sponger wrote:
    His point is that if the oil belonged to white people, we wouldn't be so inclined to murder 600,000 of them for it.

    Luckily we haven't murdered 600,000 Iraqis either. And the other premise is entirely hypothetical, I suppose. So I'll just say I disagree with the premise, and we've now acheived stalemate.

    It isn't like we haven't gone to battle against predominantly caucasian nations in our history. In fact, one of our nation's most important wars was against white people who spoke English.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jeffbr wrote:
    Luckily we haven't murdered 600,000 Iraqis either. And the other premise is entirely hypothetical, I suppose. So I'll just say I disagree with the premise, and we've now acheived stalemate.

    It isn't like we haven't gone to battle against predominantly caucasian nations in our history. In fact, one of our nation's most important wars was against white people who spoke English.

    That is true... We fought them for the right to make our own decisions and run our country as we see fit. We did not invade them because we incorrectly assumed they were doing something wrong.. followed by proclaiming it illegal to be unhappy with our invasion and proceed to label offenders insurgents and kill them for the next 4 years... then gather and decide to continue to do so for "a long time". In addition, after a month or so of massive bombing - left the country incapable of providing security and us unwilling to provide security - leaving a criminal element the freedom to organize and thrive resulting in horrible deaths and leaving the entire nation in a state of fear and great danger.

    That sums up what we have done for Iraq so far.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Abuskedti wrote:
    That is true... We fought them for the right to make our own decisions and run our country as we see fit. We did not invade them because we incorrectly assumed they were doing something wrong.. followed by proclaiming it illegal to be unhappy with our invasion and proceed to label offenders insurgents and kill them for the next 4 years... then gather and decide to continue to do so for "a long time". In addition, after a month or so of massive bombing - left the country incapable of providing security and us unwilling to provide security - leaving a criminal element the freedom to organize and thrive resulting in horrible deaths and leaving the entire nation in a state of fear and great danger.

    That sums up what we have done for Iraq so far.


    Well, since I'm not a supporter of the Iraq war or Bush, I won't be arguing against the points in this post. I happen to agree with most of it. I just disagree with the racist notion.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jeffbr wrote:
    Well, since I'm not a supporter of the Iraq war or Bush, I won't be arguing against the points in this post. I happen to agree with most of it. I just disagree with the racist notion.

    If we did this to a white English speaking nation the citizens would bring down the government.

    Probably less because of empathy and more because they'd fear what may be next and if it may happen to them.

    American citizens have nothing to fear personally from an incoherent violent slaughter of Muslims.. so they just change the channel.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    These days, I think a majority of those dead muslims are being killed by their fellow muslims. In fact, if Saddam wasn't around all those years to do some slaughtering of his own, the streets of Iraq would be flowing with the blood of muslims courtesy of other muslims.

    If England had oil and was governed by a ruthless dictatorship which acted as a suppressor of a genocidal civil war, then who knows how eager or hesitant the US would be to commandeer its oil.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Abuskedti wrote:
    If we did this to a white English speaking nation the citizens would bring down the government.

    Probably less because of empathy and more because they'd fear what may be next and if it may happen to them.

    American citizens have nothing to fear personally from an incoherent violent slaughter of Muslims.. so they just change the channel.


    I think you are way off.

    First the war is about oil.

    Then the war is about killing 'brown people' (why do self-appointed enlightened ones always use this term?)

    Then the war is about killing muslims (which is a religion, not a color)


    If you think America or most Americans that are for the war are for it because we are killing 'brown people', then I seriously think you need to find a self-hate support group.
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