A minority president may be exactly what we need

RainDog

Saturnal wrote:

Working class is people who grow up poor, don't typically get a real opportunity to go to college, and have to learn how to make it on their own without a college degree. They typically work 2 or 3 shitty jobs, and understand the hardships that most of the population goes through.

Clinton is middle-class like someone pointed out before.

That doesn't really describe "most" of the population, but I get where you're coming from. However, at the risk of sounding snooty, I don't think the local janitor (with 1 or 2 other shitty jobs) is the guy we want running our country. Besides, having to work all those jobs probably means he doesn't have time to run - and, those shitty jobs you describe don't usually allow employees leaves of absence. So, if he doesn't win, he's coming off the campaign and going straight onto welfare.

cincybearcat

RainDog wrote:

That doesn't really describe "most" of the population, but I get where you're coming from. However, at the risk of sounding snooty, I don't think the local janitor (with 1 or 2 other shitty jobs) is the guy we want running our country. Besides, having to work all those jobs probably means he doesn't have time to run - and, those shitty jobs you describe don't usually allow employees leaves of absence. So, if he doesn't win, he's coming off the campaign and going straight onto welfare.

And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?

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cincybearcat wrote:

And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?

That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.

cincybearcat

Saturnal wrote:

That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.

Oh, ok. I can see the value in that.

RainDog

cincybearcat wrote:

And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?

I imagine some measure of traditionally understood success is necessary, yes. Unless - and I'm not entirely opposed to this idea **ahem**- unless we choose the office of President through some sort of national lottery.

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cincybearcat wrote:

If the rich aren't the 'working class' and the middle class isn't the 'working class' and the poor on welfare aren't the 'working class'..just how many people fit into your 'working class'? 4?

People below middle class and above the poverty level are what I mean by "working class"....with incomes that get them by, but they genereally have little or no net worth. That is where the majority of American workers are at.

RainDog

Saturnal wrote:

That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.

But then he wouldn't be working class anymore. His past self would.

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RainDog wrote:

But then he wouldn't be working class anymore. His past self would.

haha I know, but he would have COME from the working class...so he would really understand the problems with it and how things can be changed and where they can be changed to make things better for most people.

RainDog

Saturnal wrote:

People below middle class and above the poverty level are what I mean by "working class"....with incomes that get them by, but they genereally have little or no net worth. That is where the majority of American workers are at.

That pretty much describes me - except I've got a college degree and would be considered white-collar.

Shit. I knew I was overqualified for something. Who'd've thought it'd be the office of President?

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RainDog wrote:

That pretty much describes me - except I've got a college degree and would be considered white-collar.

Shit. I knew I was overqualified for something. Who'd've thought it'd be the office of President?

Same as me...except I think we're underqualified.

know1

Saturnal wrote:

People below middle class and above the poverty level are what I mean by "working class"....with incomes that get them by, but they genereally have little or no net worth. That is where the majority of American workers are at.

People below middle class are considered "Poor"...not working class.

I think you're confusing or crossing two different class systems. I think of Middle Class as a economic or wealth standard and I think of Working Class as a social class.

I think someone in the working class can most definitely be middle class and above.

miller8966

Id prefer someone rich and intelligent.

I really dont want a fuck up in life running the country.

RainDog

Saturnal wrote:

Same as me...except I think we're underqualified.

Now why couldn't you have just kept that to yourself? I was riding high there for a while.

I'm gonna have to talk to my old college administrator. I'm still paying for that shit, and I never thought I'd be buying myself down a few rungs.

Now I'm depressed; and right before the holidays too. Where's the egg nog and rum? No, wait, you know what - forget the egg nog. And leave the bottle.

cincybearcat

miller8966 wrote:

Id prefer someone rich and intelligent.

I really dont want a fuck up in life running the country.

I honestly can't wait to see some of the posts to follow this one...a bit predictable.

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RainDog wrote:

Now why couldn't you have just kept that to yourself? I was riding high there for a while.

I'm gonna have to talk to my old college administrator. I'm still paying for that shit, and I never thought I'd be buying myself down a few rungs.

Now I'm depressed; and right before the holidays too. Where's the egg nog and rum? No, wait, you know what - forget the egg nog. And leave the bottle.

Yeah you don't want egg nog. I'm not gonna tell you what egg nog actually is made of, but just know that you don't want it.

cornnifer

miller8966 wrote:

Id prefer someone rich and intelligent.

I really dont want a fuck up in life running the country.

Needless to say, you wont be running then.

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cornnifer wrote:

Needless to say, you wont be running then.

zing

cincybearcat

cornnifer wrote:

Needless to say, you wont be running then.

Is he not rich?

sapperskunk

Abuskedti wrote:

America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

Obama could be the answer...

If the dems were wise, they wouldn't waste their time with Obama.

America will NOT elect a black president yet, it's sad but perfectly true.

Don't waste your time supporting someone who has no chance. If McCain runs, you guys are fucked.

miller8966

Cincy i can only imagine who this board would elect.