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A minority president may be exactly what we need

AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

Obama could be the answer...
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  • IndianSummerIndianSummer Posts: 854
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Obama could be the answer...
    yeah.. and Osama the question.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    IndianSummer wrote:
    yeah.. and Osama the question.

    Yeah.. and World Peace the subject.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I dont mind a black president...just as long as he is a republican.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    miller8966 wrote:
    I dont mind a black president...just as long as he is a republican.
    Not likely.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Not likely.

    Mr. Powell?

    Id even go minority with Condi
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I wish people would stop thinking in terms of race - either in "good" ways or "bad" ones. It's stupid and we have to move past it.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    miller8966 wrote:
    Mr. Powell?

    Id even go minority with Condi

    Sounds like you're just desperate to keep a Republican in charge.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Abuskedti wrote:
    America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

    Obama could be the answer...


    I wonder if you can really say that about the US though arbitarily, in comparison to many many other nations we are far more diverse. I mean look at NYC; LA; San Francisco; Seattle; Atlanta; Miami it's a hodge podge of different sounds, tastes, cultures from all over the world. I know there are people in the US who are completely for thier own particular race; culture; dogma but to say arbitrarily that the nation is simply ignorant and devoid of culture...I think you're incorrect. It's probably as diverse as any other nation on the planet. Maybe not in every region, but parts of the US are very very culturally diverse and Unique.

    I know I'd vote for a canidate regardless of sex or race or creed if I felt they fit the job. I can only speak for myself.

    I'm generally distrusting of anyone who truely desires that much power.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    miller8966 wrote:
    Mr. Powell?

    Id even go minority with Condi

    ??????
    I think I'M blacker than Condi or Powell. :)
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  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Abuskedti wrote:
    America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

    Obama could be the answer...

    don't characterize it as america's problem...
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Abuskedti wrote:
    America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

    Obama could be the answer...

    Again a thread where you fixate on race. I don't think a person of color is some magic elixer to fix our problems. I'd take someone who was interested in preserving my liberties and controlling spending. I don't care what color or gender they are.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abuskedti wrote:
    America's fear and ignorance of different people is at the root of the nightmare in Iraq and the perplexing reelection of the man that brought us there.

    Obama could be the answer...
    I'd suggest travel the world to beat fear and ignorance rather than caring about the skin color of a leader.

    Just look at the most recent Amazing Race. It was the so called "redneck hick" miner and wife from the hills of Kentucky who embraced every culture they came across and seemingly didn't adopt an ethnocentric point of view.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    I think we need a president who comes from the working class above anything else.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    I think we need a president who comes from the working class above anything else.
    Like Bill Clinton?
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    don't characterize it as america's problem...

    I agree. Fear and ignorance of different races, cultures, etc. exists all over the world. Americans just have to deal with it on a daily basis, so it gets brought up a lot.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    RainDog wrote:
    Like Bill Clinton?

    Clinton grew up with his mother and stepfather who owned his own car dealership. Clinton also went to college, and got all kinds of scolarships. He was teaching law before he was 30.

    He doesn't come from the working class. His parents do.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Saturnal wrote:
    Clinton grew up with his mother and stepfather who owned his own car dealership. Clinton also went to college, and got all kinds of scolarships. He was teaching law before he was 30.

    He doesn't come from the working class. His parents do.


    I really disliked...ok...hated...most of what Bill CLinton was.

    But to read what you just said about him, certainly makes him someone from the middle class that earned his way up in the world through hard work (and lying ;) )
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    Clinton grew up with his mother and stepfather who owned his own car dealership. Clinton also went to college, and got all kinds of scolarships. He was teaching law before he was 30.

    He doesn't come from the working class. His parents do.
    What do you think working class is? Would it have helped if he wore overalls and carried a pitchfork?
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    RainDog wrote:
    What do you think working class is? Would it have helped if he wore overalls and carried a pitchfork?

    Working class is people who grow up poor, don't typically get a real opportunity to go to college, and have to learn how to make it on their own without a college degree. They typically work 2 or 3 shitty jobs, and understand the hardships that most of the population goes through.

    Clinton is middle-class like someone pointed out before.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Saturnal wrote:
    Working class is people who grow up poor, don't typically get a real opportunity to go to college, and have to learn how to make it on their own without a college degree. They typically work 2 or 3 shitty jobs, and understand the hardships that most of the population goes through.

    Clinton is middle-class like someone pointed out before.

    If the rich aren't the 'working class' and the middle class isn't the 'working class' and the poor on welfare aren't the 'working class'..just how many people fit into your 'working class'? 4?
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    Working class is people who grow up poor, don't typically get a real opportunity to go to college, and have to learn how to make it on their own without a college degree. They typically work 2 or 3 shitty jobs, and understand the hardships that most of the population goes through.

    Clinton is middle-class like someone pointed out before.
    That doesn't really describe "most" of the population, but I get where you're coming from. However, at the risk of sounding snooty, I don't think the local janitor (with 1 or 2 other shitty jobs) is the guy we want running our country. Besides, having to work all those jobs probably means he doesn't have time to run - and, those shitty jobs you describe don't usually allow employees leaves of absence. So, if he doesn't win, he's coming off the campaign and going straight onto welfare.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    RainDog wrote:
    That doesn't really describe "most" of the population, but I get where you're coming from. However, at the risk of sounding snooty, I don't think the local janitor (with 1 or 2 other shitty jobs) is the guy we want running our country. Besides, having to work all those jobs probably means he doesn't have time to run - and, those shitty jobs you describe don't usually allow employees leaves of absence. So, if he doesn't win, he's coming off the campaign and going straight onto welfare.

    And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?

    That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    Saturnal wrote:
    That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.

    Oh, ok. I can see the value in that.
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  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And don't we want those that have worked those crappy jobs in the past but have worked their way up the ladder so to speak into better jobs, improving their lives and the lives of their family, etc. in the process? Aren't they the ones that have some valuable information to share with the country?
    I imagine some measure of traditionally understood success is necessary, yes. Unless - and I'm not entirely opposed to this idea **ahem**- unless we choose the office of President through some sort of national lottery.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If the rich aren't the 'working class' and the middle class isn't the 'working class' and the poor on welfare aren't the 'working class'..just how many people fit into your 'working class'? 4?

    People below middle class and above the poverty level are what I mean by "working class"....with incomes that get them by, but they genereally have little or no net worth. That is where the majority of American workers are at.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    That's more like the person I was trying to describe. Thank you.
    But then he wouldn't be working class anymore. His past self would. :p
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    RainDog wrote:
    But then he wouldn't be working class anymore. His past self would. :p

    haha I know, but he would have COME from the working class...so he would really understand the problems with it and how things can be changed and where they can be changed to make things better for most people.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    People below middle class and above the poverty level are what I mean by "working class"....with incomes that get them by, but they genereally have little or no net worth. That is where the majority of American workers are at.
    That pretty much describes me - except I've got a college degree and would be considered white-collar.

    Shit. I knew I was overqualified for something. Who'd've thought it'd be the office of President?
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    RainDog wrote:
    That pretty much describes me - except I've got a college degree and would be considered white-collar.

    Shit. I knew I was overqualified for something. Who'd've thought it'd be the office of President?

    Same as me...except I think we're underqualified.
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