After we liberate Iran

Abuskedti

Saudi and Israel work out their problems (after Halliburton's hostile takeover of 51% of Saudi assets). Lebonon and Kuwait and Syria and Egypt sigh the Middle East Peace aggreement. The Palistinians gain citizenship in Israel and share Jerusalem.

the new refugee camps will be in Iran and Iraq...

Terrorism grows out of control in the United States and civil war ensues.

errr.. nevermind

FredFlintstone

I know this post is tongue in cheek - but the reality is the US would lose a war in Iran.

Dirty Mosquito

"Be nice to America, or we'll put Democracy in your country"

inmytree

where o' where are the warmongers now...?

boxwine_in_hell

FredFlintstone wrote:

I know this post is tongue in cheek - but the reality is the US would lose a war in Iran.

We'd win the war but as we've seen in Iraq the occupation and installment of a new regime would be much more tricky.

gue_barium

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

We'd win the war but as we've seen in Iraq the occupation and installment of a new regime would be much more tricky.

Lol. Doesn't sound much like a win, to me.

boxwine_in_hell

gue_barium wrote:

Lol. Doesn't sound much like a win, to me.

lol....exactly 4 years and counting.

NCfan

FredFlintstone wrote:

I know this post is tongue in cheek - but the reality is the US would lose a war in Iran.

The U.S. would not invade with large ground forces should a conflict break out with Iran. We would engage and destroy their navy and then capture their off shore oil infastrucure, crippling their ground forces with no gas.

We would engage and destroy their airforce, giving us air superiority and then proceed to bomb the shit out of all suspected nuclear facilities.

We would encourage the citizens to overthrow their government and then sit back and see what happens.

In retaliation, Hezbollah might strike it up again with Israel or try to overthrow the government in Lebanon.

It would be very messy, but I think they would capitulate before we would.

Remember, Iranian's are not divided and haven't lived under the oppression of Saddam. They wouldn't start fighting each other like they do in Iraq. There is a clear choice, either for or against the current regime. The CIA would probably be in their helping prop up some progressive leader.

tybird

Chad.......the answer is Chad. Fresh oil reserves!!!! Can't go wrong with that!! :rolleyes:

NCfan

Dirty Mosquito wrote:

"Be nice to America, or we'll put Democracy in your country"

I like your Hendrix quote... in other words, when humans cease to be humans the world will know peace. Finding that peacefull mindset probably isn't even feasable, and is a several milenia long evolution at best. There is no way the world will know peace with countries that promote and sponsor religous extremism a.k.a Iran. But sure, we're the bad guys for trying to force a reformation on them. Shame on us. Who are we to impose our will on others ???

NCfan

icarus wrote:

that made me laugh.

and besides, there would be no point to doing any of this.

Oh I think there is definetly a point to it. Do you think we're just going to sit around 60 years after the holocaust and listen to a head of state boast about anailating a "one-bomb" state and then proceed to obtain the means to do so? The world isn't so loving and peacefull my friend.

soulsinging

NCfan wrote:

I like your Hendrix quote... in other words, when humans cease to be humans the world will know peace. Finding that peacefull mindset probably isn't even feasable, and is a milenia long evolution at best. There is no way the world will know peace with countries that promote and sponsor religous extremism a.k.a Iran. But sure, we're the bad guys for trying to force a reformation on them. Shame on us. Who are we to impose our will on others ???

we've got some pretty extremist religious folks here too. i worry about them more than i worry about what iran is doing.

NCfan

soulsinging wrote:

we've got some pretty extremist religious folks here too. i worry about them more than i worry about what iran is doing.

That's odd, becuase I'd like to know the ratio of American religious extremist acts of terrorism compared to those by Iranian sponsored groups like Hizbollah. I mean sure, we've got all kinds of nuts running around this country - but they are a far cry from Islamic extremist. Why would you disagree with that?

boxwine_in_hell

We've got peanuts, Iran has pistachios.

Abuskedti

NCfan wrote:

That's odd, becuase I'd like to know the ratio of American religious extremist acts of terrorism compared to those by Iranian sponsored groups like Hizbollah. I mean sure, we've got all kinds of nuts running around this country - but they are a far cry from Islamic extremist. Why would you disagree with that?

I know you can't see it.. because you somehow support it.. but we have been terrorizing the country of Iraq for 4 years with far more brutal force and determination.

soulsinging

NCfan wrote:

That's odd, becuase I'd like to know the ratio of American religious extremist acts of terrorism compared to those by Iranian sponsored groups like Hizbollah. I mean sure, we've got all kinds of nuts running around this country - but they are a far cry from Islamic extremist. Why would you disagree with that?

becos most of those islamic extremists weren't having much of an impact on me and my friends until 9/11. they perpetrated one botched WTC attack in the 90s, and got lucky with one successful one in 01. other than that, they dont really affect my day to day life. the american religious extremists do. and i rather doubt the islamic terrorists would have ever been able to pull off anything like 9/11 again. they just got lucky becos we were complacent.

lucylespian

NCfan wrote:

Oh I think there is definetly a point to it. Do you think we're just going to sit around 60 years after the holocaust and listen to a head of state boast about anailating a "one-bomb" state and then proceed to obtain the means to do so? The world isn't so loving and peacefull my friend.

Strange, but the world was full of nukes a couple of decades ago, and even while the US and the USSR were very hostile to each other, no-one really came close to using them. I think it is pretty unlikel;y that Iran would initiate a nuclear conflict. They really want them mostly to deter American and Israeli aggression. The best way to reduce an Iranian nuclear threat is to make friends with the buggers, not to antagonise them. They have seen teh invasions of Afganistan, Iraq and Lebanon and figure they are probably next, so are trying to prevent that. What is really unfolding is self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have much less fear about Iran having nukes than I do about another US invasion of another country. The religious war that Bush is waging must cease. I am sure that he is trying to ensure that it happens before his term in office expires.

To comment on some above posts, the US won the battles in Iraq, but are losing the war, the same thing would happen in Iran, at best. It's an old, old story, and countless invaders in history have found the same thing. The only ways to really retain an occupied country is either to wipe out all the original inhabitants, or to colonise it with your own people.

lucylespian

soulsinging wrote:

becos most of those islamic extremists weren't having much of an impact on me and my friends until 9/11. they perpetrated one botched WTC attack in the 90s, and got lucky with one successful one in 01. other than that, they dont really affect my day to day life. the american religious extremists do. and i rather doubt the islamic terrorists would have ever been able to pull off anything like 9/11 again. they just got lucky becos we were complacent.

Not to mention that 23 000 civilian Americans die every year from handguns, so until they fix that, I'm not sure that WW3 is a good idea.

Abookamongstthemany

NCfan wrote:

That's odd, becuase I'd like to know the ratio of American religious extremist acts of terrorism compared to those by Iranian sponsored groups like Hizbollah. I mean sure, we've got all kinds of nuts running around this country - but they are a far cry from Islamic extremist. Why would you disagree with that?

And the US doesn't sponsor terrorist acts?

NCfan

Abuskedti wrote:

I know you can't see it.. because you somehow support it.. but we have been terrorizing the country of Iraq for 4 years with far more brutal force and determination.

Not sure how you can make the case that America invaded Iraq for religious purposes - that is turning the country into a Christain nation.

Would you agree that among other things, America's goal in Iraq is to build a society that supports religious tolerance?

Would you agree that if Iran had their way, they would promote a society that mirrors their own - where it is a crime to be any religion other than their brand of Islam?

Can you see that???

NCfan

soulsinging wrote:

becos most of those islamic extremists weren't having much of an impact on me and my friends until 9/11. they perpetrated one botched WTC attack in the 90s, and got lucky with one successful one in 01. other than that, they dont really affect my day to day life. the american religious extremists do. and i rather doubt the islamic terrorists would have ever been able to pull off anything like 9/11 again. they just got lucky becos we were complacent.

That's such an isolationist view. If our foreign policy reflected your thinking, one day we would wake up and the entire Middle East and the life-blood of our the free-market economy and democratic governments would be controled my Islamic theocracies. Where would we be then?

With all of our intervention, it is nearly that way now.