You are correct....and it even goes deeper. These people are also conditioned by their religion. They kill in the name of Muhammid. They believe they are martyrs when they suicide bomb a school full of children of a different religious tribe.
We are soooo incorrect in thinking that these people can handle democracy. The only way to keep Iraq stable is to rule the way that Sadaam did. We may not like it, but it's true.
So 'stable' is killing those that are different and oppose you? Hell then it's already stable.
Do you not think it would be a lot easier if America got its heads together and wrote a book, spelling out point by point, idiot proof style, how the rest of the world should live, then maybe there wouldnt be all this misunderstanding and we could all kick back under the stars and stripes and the whole world could be a Utopian state like the USA.....come on guys, share the wealth, we all know America is the brains of this world.
Do you not think it would be a lot easier if America got its heads together and wrote a book, spelling out point by point, idiot proof style, how the rest of the world should live, then maybe there wouldnt be all this misunderstanding and we could all kick back under the stars and stripes and the whole world could be a Utopian state like the USA.....come on guys, share the wealth, we all know America is the brains of this world.
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Think about it...
The Iraqi population is 60% Shi'ite and growing as immigration quotas set by Hussein are dropped.
In a free election... the one with the most votes win (except in America). The Shi'ites will seek the advice of their religious leader as to whom to vote for... I basing this on the past elections where this happened.
Shi'ites will win because there is no way that 20% is ever going to be greater than 60%.
If this were true about shi'ites, then Iran wouldn't need to aggressively censor free speech within its own borders. Extremism doesn't represent the population as a whole.
What you're assuming is that the people of Iraq will elect away their ability to elect by electing a fascist.
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Now... guys like al Sadr idolized Ayatollah Khomeni. Who do you think he will advise his followers to vote for? It's not rocket science... it's simple logic. And as long as the leaders do the will of the majority (which is to seek unrestricted vengance on the Sunni bastards that have oppressed them for the past 30 years and to raise their nation to the praise of Allah), they will remain in power. The worst thing for America in that part of the world... a Shi'ite influenced bloc with massive oil reserves.
You may call them 'Islamo-fascists'... but, that does not mean they are.
The first half of the paragraph is dedicated to describing how the majority of shi'ite iraqis want to wipe out the sunnis and put extremist leaders into power, but then you end it with a "but that doesn't mean they're islamo-fascists."
I think you know that they are islamo-fascists, but you want to act as though the term "islamo-fascists" is some closed-minded label that you are above using.
After all, you described them to be people who shouldn't have control of massive oil reserves. And that's because they are not islamo-fascists?
So, you're confused about what islamo-fascism is. But, that's OK. I think you are still capable of understanding my point. And my point is that if the common majority of shi'ites really wanted a lifestyle of violent instability, the Iranian government wouldn't need to maintain an oppressive police state to remain in power.
You make it sound as though the Iranian people would freely elect an extremist government that supports terrorism. I don't think that to be the case. I think if they could vote away the current establishment, they most definitely would.
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And if the freely elected nation of Iraq... which we basically set up... invites the Taliban in... what can we say? We're the ones who created this situation and have proclaimed it to be the model of the entire region.
Seymour Hersh from the New Yorker was on Real Time with Bill Maher recently and talked about why Bush and Cheney think the terrorists will "follow us home." Truly sad that the current administration believes they are defending Western Europe and not the Middle East.
"They do believe, as you said at your opening, Cheney does believe that – it doesn’t matter what the facts are, that Iran’s going to get a bomb – they don’t have one now, there’s no intelligence that says – they may get one in five or ten years, but he thinks they’re going to get the bomb.
He thinks their “brown shirts,” to use the old World War II, you know, the Nazi analogy, is Hezbollah. He thinks that Hezbollah has cells hidden, tucked away, here in America. He believes that. I think the President does, but I know he does. I know that more or less firsthand. And I’ve been doing this for five years, since 9/11. No other story. And I do have some access. He believes that Hezbollah can – once they – if Iran gets a bomb, they’ll give it to Hezbollah. Hezbollah can get it to New York, Washington, L.A., what you will, and “poof.”
So, in other words, the President and the Vice President, they’re not defending the Middle East, they’re defending Western Europe. In their own world, they believe they’re defending us. And therefore, they’re going to take the actions they think they have to do. And maybe they won’t be appreciated now, but in the next 20, 30 years, George Bush believes he’s going to be hailed as a visionary president. This is what I really think he believes."
If this were true about shi'ites, then Iran wouldn't need to aggressively censor free speech within its own borders. Extremism doesn't represent the population as a whole.
What you're assuming is that the people of Iraq will elect away their ability to elect by electing a fascist.
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The first half of the paragraph is dedicated to describing how the majority of shi'ite iraqis want to wipe out the sunnis and put extremist leaders into power, but then you end it with a "but that doesn't mean they're islamo-fascists."
I think you know that they are islamo-fascists, but you want to act as though the term "islamo-fascists" is some closed-minded label that you are above using.
After all, you described them to be people who shouldn't have control of massive oil reserves. And that's because they are not islamo-fascists?
So, you're confused about what islamo-fascism is. But, that's OK. I think you are still capable of understanding my point. And my point is that if the common majority of shi'ites really wanted a lifestyle of violent instability, the Iranian government wouldn't need to maintain an oppressive police state to remain in power.
You make it sound as though the Iranian people would freely elect an extremist government that supports terrorism. I don't think that to be the case. I think if they could vote away the current establishment, they most definitely would.
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Taliben in? Yes. Autonomy? No.
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Please do not take one sentance and comment on it, taking it out of the context of the overall idea.
Now... Shi'ites are Shi'ites... what don't you understand about that?
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I never said they 'Shouldn't be in control of their resources'... I said it would be the worst thing for America... not for an Iranian/Iraqi bloc. I think they should have a say in what they want to do with THEIR resources. It's not their fault we're fucking addicted to the shit... that's our fault.
And as for the term, 'Islamo-Fascists'... I believe that is a term used by is 'Lame-O-People' to scare us into believing that the boogie man wears a turban.
If fucking Iranians want Western Style freedoms... why do they continually elect guys like Ahamejinadad? Because Iran is run by their church... their Shi'ite church, that's why. Their President is the head of their government, not of Iran. The Grand ayatollah gets that job. and they love their God... and they believe their God... and they will follow their God. You make it sound like the Iranian people are peace loving consumer wannabes... if that's the case, why are we chomping at the bit to nuke their asses?
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Hoping for the best outcome is not a sound foriegn policy.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
So 'stable' is killing those that are different and oppose you? Hell then it's already stable.
Well, things were alot more stable when Sadaam was in power. He had to rule that way to keep order.
Politically correct people don't like it, but it's fact. That's how you have to rule 3 religous groups in a population that believe that God wants them to kill eachother.
Well, things were alot more stable when Sadaam was in power. He had to rule that way to keep order.
Politically correct people don't like it, but it's fact. That's how you have to rule 3 religous groups in a population that believe that God wants them to kill eachother.
How many religious groups are there in America...England...France...
It's time the kids grew up, no?
Clearly this was not the correct method, but certainly Saddam's method was not better. It was the illusion of stability.
Why not divide the country up into it's original countries?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Why not divide the country up into it's original countries?
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Only if you let THEM draw the lines.
That way... they can't come to us 87 years from now and their border skirmishes on us. Their doing, their fault.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Depends on who you ask... I guess.
We (Americans) seem to toss this around like it's the greatest thing... then, we sit around and complain about the people we elect to represent us... and most of us complain about representatives of other Americans, yet, haven't a clue of who our representative is.
Maybe we aren't the best ones to be spreading this shit around. Maybe we should just stick with what we do best... selling F-16s and Big Macs.
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Oh... and making porn.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Depends on who you ask... I guess.
We (Americans) seem to toss this around like it's the greatest thing... then, we sit around and complain about the people we elect to represent us... and most of us complain about representatives of other Americans, yet, haven't a clue of who our representative is.
Maybe we aren't the best ones to be spreading this shit around. Maybe we should just stick with what we do best... selling F-16s and Big Macs.
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Oh... and making porn.
well when you consider our democracy is supposedly based on the ancient greeks who were into exclusion then perhaps we are getting it right.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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Please do not take one sentance and comment on it, taking it out of the context of the overall idea.
Now... Shi'ites are Shi'ites... what don't you understand about that?
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I never said they 'Shouldn't be in control of their resources'... I said it would be the worst thing for America... not for an Iranian/Iraqi bloc. I think they should have a say in what they want to do with THEIR resources. It's not their fault we're fucking addicted to the shit... that's our fault.
And as for the term, 'Islamo-Fascists'... I believe that is a term used by is 'Lame-O-People' to scare us into believing that the boogie man wears a turban.
If fucking Iranians want Western Style freedoms... why do they continually elect guys like Ahamejinadad? Because Iran is run by their church... their Shi'ite church, that's why. Their President is the head of their government, not of Iran. The Grand ayatollah gets that job. and they love their God... and they believe their God... and they will follow their God. You make it sound like the Iranian people are peace loving consumer wannabes... if that's the case, why are we chomping at the bit to nuke their asses?
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Hoping for the best outcome is not a sound foriegn policy.
That contained so many misconceptions about Iranian politics that I have no idea where to begin? You think Ahmedinejad and the Ayatollah have anything to do with elections that represent the will of the Iranian people? wow.
You make it sound like the Iranian people are peace loving consumer wannabes... if that's the case, why are we chomping at the bit to nuke their asses?
This statement assumes that americans always want to nuke people who are truly enemies of peace.
You are way, way out there, and you seem to lack a very fundamental understanding of arab politics in spite of knowing some of the nomenclature.
our way is better than your way
we would NEVER tolerate a dictator but you people need to because you behave like savages.
:rolleyes:
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Okay... I though about it.
Judging on how it works in Iraq... spreading Democracy the way the monkeys fling their Democracy around at the zoo... it's like this:
You don't know what you want... savages. You want to be like us... we are happy because we are free. You are not free.
So, here... take this ballot and vote for people you want to lead you to become more like us.
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Wait... you voted for a guy who hates us... what? Oh, because you hate us. Well, that makes sense.. I guess. But, seriously... savages... you want to vote for people who will listen to us and do what is in our best interests, get it? That's De-mock-race-ee. Isn't freedom wonderful.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
That contained so many misconceptions about Iranian politics that I have no idea where to begin? You think Ahmedinejad and the Ayatollah have anything to do with elections that represent the will of the Iranian people? wow.
This statement assumes that americans always want to nuke people who are truly enemies of peace.
You are way, way out there, and you seem to lack a very fundamental understanding of arab politics in spite of knowing some of the nomenclature.
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Fine.
You think that Iraq will move towards Iran only if we leave... I believe Iraq is already moving towards Iran.
Let it be.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Okay... I though about it.
Judging on how it works in Iraq... spreading Democracy the way the monkeys fling their Democracy around at the zoo... it's like this:
You don't know what you want... savages. You want to be like us... we are happy because we are free. You are not free.
So, here... take this ballot and vote for people you want to lead you to become more like us.
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Wait... you voted for a guy who hates us... what? Oh, because you hate us. Well, that makes sense.. I guess. But, seriously... savages... you want to vote for people who will listen to us and do what is in our best interests, get it? That's De-mock-race-ee. Isn't freedom wonderful.
freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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Fine.
You think that Iraq will move towards Iran only if we leave... I believe Iraq is already moving towards Iran.
Let it be.
Wait a minute now...I never said only if we leave. I said it will guarantee it if we do.
There's always a possibility that after ensuring a stable government with checks and balances that things will go sour and eventually revert back to totalitarianism. That's always a possibility. I did not on a single occasion it wasn't a possibility.
What I'm saying is that bugging out right now will guarantee that scenario, while no one can really say for sure that such a scenario can't be prevented if the troops stay.
Wait a minute now...I never said only if we leave. I said it will guarantee it if we do.
There's always a possibility that after ensuring a stable government with checks and balances that things will go sour and eventually revert back to totalitarianism. That's always a possibility. I did not on a single occasion it wasn't a possibility.
What I'm saying is that bugging out right now will guarantee that scenario, while no one can really say for sure that such a scenario can't be prevented if the troops stay.
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Guaranteeing. YOU?
Oh... that's right... you are the Middle Eastern expert, here. Since I know NOTHING about Iran... or Iraq... please, expound me with the wisdom you possess. You know more about Iranians than Iranians... uh... are you Iranian?
And don't point me to that Cliff Notes of the Internet, a.k.a. Wikipedia. I want you to explain WHY this is guaranteed to occur if we leave. (NOTE: "Because it's my opinion" is not a valid arguement)
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Thanx.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
omg...
(put's own head down on desk...hopes there is no truth at all to that statement, but is still not entirely convinced after several minutes).
....bartender....better make it a double!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Guaranteeing. YOU?
Oh... that's right... you are the Middle Eastern expert, here. Since I know NOTHING about Iran... or Iraq... please, expound me with the wisdom you possess. You know more about Iranians than Iranians... uh... are you Iranian?
And don't point me to that Cliff Notes of the Internet, a.k.a. Wikipedia. I want you to explain WHY this is guaranteed to occur if we leave. (NOTE: "Because it's my opinion" is not a valid arguement)
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Thanx.
My knowledge of Iran is common knowledge, and I never claimed to be outside the reach of understanding of the people who live there.
What begs even more for explanation is your position that the Ayatollah and Ahmedinajad are the result of a real democracy and that the Iranian people as a whole are a nation of violent extremists who lust for violence. That is, after all, your distorted perspective that goes against the conventional wisdom....that is unless you are like most americans....I guess it was your logic that if the americans want to nuke them, then they must be enemies of peace.
My knowledge of Iran is common knowledge, and I never claimed to be outside the reach of understanding of the people who live there.
What begs even more for explanation is your position that the Ayatollah and Ahmedinajad are the result of a real democracy and that the Iranian people as a whole are a nation of violent extremists who lust for violence. That is, after all, your distorted perspective that goes against the conventional wisdom....that is unless you are like most americans....I guess it was your logic that if the americans want to nuke them, then they must be enemies of peace.
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Where did you get THAT from???
I just said that the Ayatollah (Grand Cleric) is the head of Iran and that the President (Ahjinameinadad) is the leader of the Iranian government. both of those statements are facts.
The President is elected (another fact)... I never said it was a 'real Democracy'... YOU extracted that from this one comment, "If fucking Iranians want Western Style freedoms... why do they continually elect guys like Ahamejinadad?". They get the same basic choices we get here for our president... shit or crap. But, they keep pulling the same, anti-American fucks, time and time again.
If you dispute this... please, explain to me... how is Iran's government structured and how did Ahameninjinadad get into the position of President? If I have this 'distorted perspective that goes against conventional wisdom'... then enlighten me, oh, wise one.
You need to quit interpreting other people's words to fit your opinion and just take them for what they are.
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AND... you STILL have not presented YOUR arguement. All you do is comment on my comments. How are YOU Guaranteeing that Iraq will fall under the influence of Iran if we leave? And how you YOU negate my arguement that Iraq is already falling into an alliance with Iran, dispite our current military presense?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
oh come on roland i was providing a little levity. if you don't get the reference that's not my problem.
but then think about it, we got all the freedom in the world supposedly and we have everything to lose. including interestingly enough that freedom.
There's nothing serious to what I said either. I half agree with you, the other half is in ultimately in denial.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Are you really on the Seychelles? I hear it is fricken' awesome there... other than all the spy stuff over there.
How's the surf?
Dude, how I wish. I often close my eyes and dream. The Seychelles are chunks of India that broke off from Africa when India broke free from Africa and started heading north to where it is now. Little prehistoric time capsules scattered behind like pristine breadcrumbs. I would argue it is one of (if not) the most beautiful place on earth. Especially La Digue.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So 'stable' is killing those that are different and oppose you? Hell then it's already stable.
A book?
Hell no.
Maybe a movie.
NO....... because the dialogue would be way too cheesy
If this were true about shi'ites, then Iran wouldn't need to aggressively censor free speech within its own borders. Extremism doesn't represent the population as a whole.
What you're assuming is that the people of Iraq will elect away their ability to elect by electing a fascist.
...
The first half of the paragraph is dedicated to describing how the majority of shi'ite iraqis want to wipe out the sunnis and put extremist leaders into power, but then you end it with a "but that doesn't mean they're islamo-fascists."
I think you know that they are islamo-fascists, but you want to act as though the term "islamo-fascists" is some closed-minded label that you are above using.
After all, you described them to be people who shouldn't have control of massive oil reserves. And that's because they are not islamo-fascists?
So, you're confused about what islamo-fascism is. But, that's OK. I think you are still capable of understanding my point. And my point is that if the common majority of shi'ites really wanted a lifestyle of violent instability, the Iranian government wouldn't need to maintain an oppressive police state to remain in power.
You make it sound as though the Iranian people would freely elect an extremist government that supports terrorism. I don't think that to be the case. I think if they could vote away the current establishment, they most definitely would.
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Taliben in? Yes. Autonomy? No.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
"They do believe, as you said at your opening, Cheney does believe that – it doesn’t matter what the facts are, that Iran’s going to get a bomb – they don’t have one now, there’s no intelligence that says – they may get one in five or ten years, but he thinks they’re going to get the bomb.
He thinks their “brown shirts,” to use the old World War II, you know, the Nazi analogy, is Hezbollah. He thinks that Hezbollah has cells hidden, tucked away, here in America. He believes that. I think the President does, but I know he does. I know that more or less firsthand. And I’ve been doing this for five years, since 9/11. No other story. And I do have some access. He believes that Hezbollah can – once they – if Iran gets a bomb, they’ll give it to Hezbollah. Hezbollah can get it to New York, Washington, L.A., what you will, and “poof.”
So, in other words, the President and the Vice President, they’re not defending the Middle East, they’re defending Western Europe. In their own world, they believe they’re defending us. And therefore, they’re going to take the actions they think they have to do. And maybe they won’t be appreciated now, but in the next 20, 30 years, George Bush believes he’s going to be hailed as a visionary president. This is what I really think he believes."
Please do not take one sentance and comment on it, taking it out of the context of the overall idea.
Now... Shi'ites are Shi'ites... what don't you understand about that?
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I never said they 'Shouldn't be in control of their resources'... I said it would be the worst thing for America... not for an Iranian/Iraqi bloc. I think they should have a say in what they want to do with THEIR resources. It's not their fault we're fucking addicted to the shit... that's our fault.
And as for the term, 'Islamo-Fascists'... I believe that is a term used by is 'Lame-O-People' to scare us into believing that the boogie man wears a turban.
If fucking Iranians want Western Style freedoms... why do they continually elect guys like Ahamejinadad? Because Iran is run by their church... their Shi'ite church, that's why. Their President is the head of their government, not of Iran. The Grand ayatollah gets that job. and they love their God... and they believe their God... and they will follow their God. You make it sound like the Iranian people are peace loving consumer wannabes... if that's the case, why are we chomping at the bit to nuke their asses?
...
Hoping for the best outcome is not a sound foriegn policy.
Hail, Hail!!!
Well, things were alot more stable when Sadaam was in power. He had to rule that way to keep order.
Politically correct people don't like it, but it's fact. That's how you have to rule 3 religous groups in a population that believe that God wants them to kill eachother.
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How many religious groups are there in America...England...France...
It's time the kids grew up, no?
Clearly this was not the correct method, but certainly Saddam's method was not better. It was the illusion of stability.
Addendum:
Democracy only works if it is the Democracy you want them to have, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Only if you let THEM draw the lines.
That way... they can't come to us 87 years from now and their border skirmishes on us. Their doing, their fault.
Hail, Hail!!!
ohhhh ..i mean over here
"they hate us for our freedom"
then why did they hate the soviets in afghanistan???
they hate invaders ...like everybody hates invaders....dumbass
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
and democracy is....what exactly?
our way is better than your way
we would NEVER tolerate a dictator but you people need to because you behave like savages.
:rolleyes:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Depends on who you ask... I guess.
We (Americans) seem to toss this around like it's the greatest thing... then, we sit around and complain about the people we elect to represent us... and most of us complain about representatives of other Americans, yet, haven't a clue of who our representative is.
Maybe we aren't the best ones to be spreading this shit around. Maybe we should just stick with what we do best... selling F-16s and Big Macs.
...
Oh... and making porn.
Hail, Hail!!!
well when you consider our democracy is supposedly based on the ancient greeks who were into exclusion then perhaps we are getting it right.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That contained so many misconceptions about Iranian politics that I have no idea where to begin? You think Ahmedinejad and the Ayatollah have anything to do with elections that represent the will of the Iranian people? wow.
This statement assumes that americans always want to nuke people who are truly enemies of peace.
You are way, way out there, and you seem to lack a very fundamental understanding of arab politics in spite of knowing some of the nomenclature.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Okay... I though about it.
Judging on how it works in Iraq... spreading Democracy the way the monkeys fling their Democracy around at the zoo... it's like this:
You don't know what you want... savages. You want to be like us... we are happy because we are free. You are not free.
So, here... take this ballot and vote for people you want to lead you to become more like us.
...
Wait... you voted for a guy who hates us... what? Oh, because you hate us. Well, that makes sense.. I guess. But, seriously... savages... you want to vote for people who will listen to us and do what is in our best interests, get it? That's De-mock-race-ee. Isn't freedom wonderful.
Hail, Hail!!!
Fine.
You think that Iraq will move towards Iran only if we leave... I believe Iraq is already moving towards Iran.
Let it be.
Hail, Hail!!!
freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Wait a minute now...I never said only if we leave. I said it will guarantee it if we do.
There's always a possibility that after ensuring a stable government with checks and balances that things will go sour and eventually revert back to totalitarianism. That's always a possibility. I did not on a single occasion it wasn't a possibility.
What I'm saying is that bugging out right now will guarantee that scenario, while no one can really say for sure that such a scenario can't be prevented if the troops stay.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Guaranteeing. YOU?
Oh... that's right... you are the Middle Eastern expert, here. Since I know NOTHING about Iran... or Iraq... please, expound me with the wisdom you possess. You know more about Iranians than Iranians... uh... are you Iranian?
And don't point me to that Cliff Notes of the Internet, a.k.a. Wikipedia. I want you to explain WHY this is guaranteed to occur if we leave. (NOTE: "Because it's my opinion" is not a valid arguement)
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Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
omg...
(put's own head down on desk...hopes there is no truth at all to that statement, but is still not entirely convinced after several minutes).
....bartender....better make it a double!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Are you really on the Seychelles? I hear it is fricken' awesome there... other than all the spy stuff over there.
How's the surf?
Hail, Hail!!!
oh come on roland i was providing a little levity. if you don't get the reference that's not my problem.
but then think about it, we got all the freedom in the world supposedly and we have everything to lose. including interestingly enough that freedom.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My knowledge of Iran is common knowledge, and I never claimed to be outside the reach of understanding of the people who live there.
What begs even more for explanation is your position that the Ayatollah and Ahmedinajad are the result of a real democracy and that the Iranian people as a whole are a nation of violent extremists who lust for violence. That is, after all, your distorted perspective that goes against the conventional wisdom....that is unless you are like most americans....I guess it was your logic that if the americans want to nuke them, then they must be enemies of peace.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Where did you get THAT from???
I just said that the Ayatollah (Grand Cleric) is the head of Iran and that the President (Ahjinameinadad) is the leader of the Iranian government. both of those statements are facts.
The President is elected (another fact)... I never said it was a 'real Democracy'... YOU extracted that from this one comment, "If fucking Iranians want Western Style freedoms... why do they continually elect guys like Ahamejinadad?". They get the same basic choices we get here for our president... shit or crap. But, they keep pulling the same, anti-American fucks, time and time again.
If you dispute this... please, explain to me... how is Iran's government structured and how did Ahameninjinadad get into the position of President? If I have this 'distorted perspective that goes against conventional wisdom'... then enlighten me, oh, wise one.
You need to quit interpreting other people's words to fit your opinion and just take them for what they are.
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AND... you STILL have not presented YOUR arguement. All you do is comment on my comments. How are YOU Guaranteeing that Iraq will fall under the influence of Iran if we leave? And how you YOU negate my arguement that Iraq is already falling into an alliance with Iran, dispite our current military presense?
Hail, Hail!!!
There's nothing serious to what I said either. I half agree with you, the other half is in ultimately in denial.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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which half?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Dude, how I wish. I often close my eyes and dream. The Seychelles are chunks of India that broke off from Africa when India broke free from Africa and started heading north to where it is now. Little prehistoric time capsules scattered behind like pristine breadcrumbs. I would argue it is one of (if not) the most beautiful place on earth. Especially La Digue.
some pics:
http://www.webshots.com/search?query=seychelles&new=1&source=search_results_top
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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