Is the glass half empty or half full?

Abuskedti
Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
Are we voting for the least of two evils?

or are we voting for the best of two options?

I am certain that either McCain or Obama will provide far better leadership than we have had over the last 8 years. Of course I believe Kermit the Frog would do the same.

Whatever a candate says from here on out has little to do with how they will lead the country. Right now they are humbly begging the electoral process the give them the job.

Once elected, they change into the person whose opinon matters.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I'm not voting...unless it's to vote out all incumbents until somebody starts doing something to decrease our government's involvement in everything.

    (but I think your glass must be empty ;) )
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    I think one is always voting for the lesser of two evils. Whether the glass is half empty or half full remains to be seen based on the actions of the lesser of the evils when they take office. Anyone can and will say anything right now. What really counts is what the DO when they get in. When the first thing the current evil did was seal the presidential records upon taking office, I said...Our glass is not just half empty, it's cracked and we're f*(ked. And so we were and remain.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    It's half full of shit.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    The Clone or the Empty Suit.

    Tough choice. I'll go with Option C please.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Kermit the Frog is not the answer!
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    is an abusive husband an asshole when he's beating the shit out of his wife or is he sweet and caring when he buys her flowers afterwards?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    sometimes when i get off of work my only food opitions are mcdonalds or taco bell...both are shit options no matter how i try to rationalize 'i need to eat something'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    El_Kabong wrote:
    sometimes when i get off of work my only food opitions are mcdonalds or taco bell...both are shit options no matter how i try to rationalize 'i need to eat something'
    hahaha
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    _outlaw wrote:
    hahaha


    but....for clarification; i can (and still do) choose to go out of my way to pick something up at a grocery store and make it myself...even tho i know i just worked 10 hours, have to pick things out, drive home, prepare it, cook it... it's still much better than being lazy and giving in
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Are we voting for the least of two evils?

    or are we voting for the best of two options?

    I am certain that either McCain or Obama will provide far better leadership than we have had over the last 8 years. Of course I believe Kermit the Frog would do the same.

    Whatever a candate says from here on out has little to do with how they will lead the country. Right now they are humbly begging the electoral process the give them the job.

    Once elected, they change into the person whose opinon matters.


    There aren't only 2 options(who told you that?).....and you certainly aren't supporting the best of the options available to you. But fuck those rights to vote for whomever you please and run for office if you wish to.....let's just follow the masses and vote for who the media says is 'viable'...because you know they would never mislead us or steer us in a direction that isn't what's best.


    If we know better and are too scared, complacent and apathetic to take actions that show that we know better.....we might as well call ourselves just as ignorant and lazy as the rest of the masses....what's the difference, really?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There aren't only 2 options(who told you that?).....and you certainly aren't supporting the best of the options available to you. But fuck those rights to vote for whomever you please and run for office if you wish to.....let's just follow the masses and vote for who the media says is 'viable'...because you know they would never mislead us or steer us in a direction that isn't what's best.


    If we know better and are too scared, complacent and apathetic to take actions that show that we know better.....we might as well call ourselves just as ignorant and lazy as the rest of the masses....what's the difference, really?

    It is very true that the media is the reason... the fact remains, it is an absolute certainty that the next president with be either the democratic or republican nominee. Fighting that is a waste of your greatness

    fighting the media is perhaps a more winnable battle, since you don't have a November 2008 deadline.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abuskedti wrote:
    It is very true that the media is the reason... the fact remains, it is an absolute certainty that the next president with be either the democratic or republican nominee. Fighting that is a waste of your greatness

    fighting the media is perhaps a more winnable battle, since you don't have a November 2008 deadline.
    Fighting that is an example of her greatness, I'd say. :)
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abuskedti wrote:
    It is very true that the media is the reason... the fact remains, it is an absolute certainty that the next president with be either the democratic or republican nominee. Fighting that is a waste of your greatness

    fighting the media is perhaps a more winnable battle, since you don't have a November 2008 deadline.


    I'm fighting the things that I feel need to be fought for and will continue to do so. I'm sorry you feel it is a waste but I quite strongly disagree with that sentiment.

    I guess people should never have started to fight against slavery, for civil rights, voting rights, worker's rights...all because at one point they were very unheard of ideas and society, at that time, accepted things the way they already were. That's ridiculous. People risked a whole fucking lot to fight for those causes and I for one am glad they did. They made this country a better place to live for all of us. I appreciate them fighting against heavy odds and not giving up because it looked hopeless at some points. If you wanna play along then fine but I'm trying to fix what I see as broken....and it is really long overdue. We shouldn't just accept this anymore....we should act like how our country is being ran is a big fucking deal and it's affecting almost every aspect of our life now. Sorry but I'm more than just a little annoyed and concerned about this. I'm done just complaining. I want to try to do something about it.

    And once again, I can fight more than one thing at a time. I speak out about the media pretty regularly, I'd say.

    I still love ya, Abu...and I get that you guys are afraid of McCain. I'm just beyond letting fear hold me back now. They count on keeping us controlled by it. Fear gives them all the power they need to run all over us and take our rights one by one away from us. That's not acceptable for me anymore. And Obama and McCain are the same....you need not look any further than their foreign policies. The more subtle differences certainly aren't enough for me to give them support....not in the face of all the shit they do.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Fighting that is an example of her greatness, I'd say. :)


    :)

    Aww shucks :o
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm fighting the things that I feel need to be fought for and will continue to do so. I'm sorry you feel it is a waste but I quite strongly disagree with that sentiment.

    I guess people should never have started to fight against slavery, for civil rights, voting rights, worker's rights...all because at one point they were very unheard of ideas and society, at that time, accepted things the way they already were. That's ridiculous. People risked a whole fucking lot to fight for those causes and I for one am glad they did. They made this country a better place to live for all of us. I appreciate them fighting against heavy odds and not giving up because it looked hopeless at some points. If you wanna play along then fine but I'm trying to fix what I see as broken....and it is really long overdue. We shouldn't just accept this anymore....we should act like how our country is being ran is a big fucking deal and it's affecting almost every aspect of our life now. Sorry but I'm more than just a little annoyed and concerned about this. I'm done just complaining. I want to try to do something about it.

    And once again, I can fight more than one thing at a time. I speak out about the media pretty regularly, I'd say.

    I still love ya, Abu...and I get that you guys are afraid of McCain. I'm just beyond letting fear hold me back now. They count on keeping us controlled by it. Fear gives them all the power they need to run all over us and take our rights one by one away from us. That's not acceptable for me anymore. And Obama and McCain are the same....you need not look any further than their foreign policies. The more subtle differences certainly aren't enough for me to give them support....not in the face of all the shit they do.

    no... I don't think you or anyone should not fight to reform our political process, I am only saying that voting for Nader does nothing for that fight. He can not win.

    The problems with our political process is deep..

    I am not afraid of McCain.. The only problem it reminds me that a very large portion of our citizens are happy with the Bush Administration and it demonstrates that to the rest of the world. That disturbs me.

    I'd like to see nobody vote.. that would be the loudest statement we could make.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Abuskedti wrote:
    no... I don't think you or anyone should not fight to reform our political process, I am only saying that voting for Nader does nothing for that fight. He can not win.

    The problems with our political process is deep..

    I am not afraid of McCain.. The only problem it reminds me that a very large portion of our citizens are happy with the Bush Administration and it demonstrates that to the rest of the world. That disturbs me.

    I'd like to see nobody vote.. that would be the loudest statement we could make.

    but many see a vote for obama as doing nothing for the fight, eiher
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    El_Kabong wrote:
    but many see a vote for obama as doing nothing for the fight, eiher

    I know.... I stopped voting when I was 21.. I did get out and vote for Kerry.. I really felt Bush was dangerous. Bush won. I have no respect at all from my right to vote. I have no right to vote.. not sure what I will lose next.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    "i am FIGHTING for the world and what is right because i am voting for Ralph Nader"



    bwahahahahahahahaha... who brought the stand up comedian? :D


    i cant wait until November 8th when reality sets in... again
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    my2hands wrote:
    "i am FIGHTING for the world and what is right because i am voting for Ralph Nader"



    bwahahahahahahahaha... who brought the stand up comedian? :D


    i cant wait until November 8th when reality sets in... again
    The reality that nothing has changed... again?
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    Abuskedti wrote:

    The only problem it reminds me that a very large portion of our citizens are happy with the Bush Administration

    i was unaware he would be bringing that administration back.

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