Iran to release British Soldiers.
RainDog
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I posted this in another thread, but I thought I'd start a new one. It looks as though Iran is going to release the 15 British captives sometime today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17944210/
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what's that i hear??
sounds like a collective groan coming from d.c., london, and tel aviv..
i guess they'll have to get crackin' on whipping up a new excuse to bomb tehran now.
Or maybe that groan was from leftist mouthpiece Rosie O Dumbass...now that Bush and Co. won't be able to use these hostages as a reason to go to war like she predicted.
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Oh, lighten up buddy. I can't stand her, either, but you can't put much past that bunch.
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Come on no need to call her that. We all know her name is Rosie O Fatass.
perhaps, but my guess is bushy and pnac are less than pleased...
Perhaps, but my guess is Bush and PNAC will find other reasons to take us into conflict with Iran. I did think this could have been THE catalyst though...and let me make myself clear...I'm saying I thought it COULD have been the catalyst...not that it SHOULD have been the catalyst for war.
Can't be too careful on this message board...
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Hehehe. You really think Rosie is the voice of the left? Maybe you should take her last name.....
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
yes, but what do you think we should do? should we be looking for reasons to go to war in iran?
i couldn't get away.
sorry.........the song always comes to mind when i read Iran.
It's like you said in the other thread, this whole thing is nothing but posturing for the world to see. Iran is smart for not torturing them, but that doesn't exactly make them the de facto standard for human rights leaders in the world either.
Let's be honest, the whole thing was done so Iran could try to mock the U.S. and Britian on a world stage, and probably to get some of their own prisoners back from us. I'm sure we gave up something/someone.
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Yeah, we did; yesterday there was news of a few of the American captured Iranians in Baghdad being set free.
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Because if they really were in Iraqi waters when they got caught. The powers that be would have had satellite pictures with lines in the water explaining the territories and how the Brits were indeed on the proper side of said lines. But we know that they were in the wrong and got burned playing their little games. You didn't leave yourselves wide open for anything other then don't go where you don't belong and you should be safe.
whatever backroom deals were signed - the brits chose humility over arrogance and that is a good sign ...
Iran was able to handle people.. but they are evil and can not be trusted with chemistry and physics.. or we will bomb them out of existence.
let's be honest, we've not exactly made it hard for them to do so lately.
Wow. Iran made a PR move and let 15 British soldiers go that THEY captured...most likely...illegally in the first place....and now since they pander to the world with an obvious PR move by letting them go...you're ready to trust them with "chemistry and physics" when Iran IS THE ONE spouting off about bombing Israel out of existence in the first place.
I suppose we should grant the Ayatollah the "Hidden Imam Peacemaker of the Year Award" since he didn't shove a hot poker up all of the Brits asses while he made them drink motor oil and endure electro shock therapy...right???...
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Iran makes political threats - the US blew Iraq to bits.
You feel good about yourself? You feel that Hate is justified.. that somehow Iran is an Evil Nation? How many jews have they killed in the last 15 or so years? How many Arabs have the US killed?
you've got to admit, iran is playing bush and is stupid ways like a fiddle...
Perhaps you fail to see the difference in navy personal being in "enemy" waters and getting taken prisoner. As opposed to just laying a country to ruin. Now I do think you are wiser then what this post above spells out.
Don't worry my man, most will applaud when the States gets out of Iraq. Just as they applaud the Brits getting back their service people. In a world of posturing and playing games with human lives. The States aren't the only country rolling the dice.
No doubt this was a calculated and contrived "crisis" with a "feel good " ending, right from the beginning, to try and make themselves look good.
I feel warm and fuzzy all over:rolleyes:
What an over-statement. We sure as hell did not blow Iraq to bits. The VAST majority of the country is intact, including Baghdad. Even still, I wonder how you can ignore the efforts by our military to NOT do exactly what you claim "blow the country to bits".
Remember when we had Al-Sadr surrounded in Fallujah a few years back. We could have gone in a taken him out and probably saved more lives in the future than it would have taken to finish him off. But we let him go and left the city becuase in order to get the fucker, we would have had to blow a bunch of shit up and kill a lot of civillians!
How can you ignore these things??? It's like you think Attila the Hun is running the show for the US over there.
Get real dude, you're way off base...
I suppose so if you happen to like the tune Amedenijad is playing.
Most people see right through this shit. I think Bush has showed amazing restraint and poise dealing with this guy and the Grand Master Supreme Poobah Ayatollah and his Cronies.
For all the outrage expressed over Bush's unilateral action in Iraq, he has used every diplomatic means at his dissposal to settle our differences peacefully. And before you guys point out that we won't hold direct talks with Iran, think about why we won't. It's becuase chances are better than not the Iranians will not concede to any demands. They are in a position of power, they have the upper hand. If they do not give in, they will face no serious consequences - becuase our military option has been taken off the table due to world and US public opinion. Therefore, if the US says jump and the Iranians say no - we will look completely inept and insignificant.
People are so caught up in Iraq and pissed off about it that we shun the use of force all-together, which is a HUGE mistake and is the BIGGEST reason Amedenjad knows he doesn't have to listen to anything we say or suggest.
Bush let the EU three negotiate with Iran, and they just balked at every offer that was brought to the table. Russia even stepped in and said "Hey, we'll let you have a fucking reactor, but you have to give us all your spent fuel rods - AND we'll toss in a bunch of other insentives as well to sweeten the pot." But guess what happened? The Iranians said no way comrades!
Basically, Amedinijad is cocking his leg on world opinion. Nearly every major, influential nation on Earth has taken a position against Iran - even the Chinese, who have billions in oil contracts with them!
It is precisely becuase of our anti-war, no blood for oil bravado that we will have to fight a much, much costlier battle in the future - rather than let our reputation (that we are willing to use force) be our deterance in the current situation. If Iran thought there was a serious posibility we may go to war over the nuclear issue, the situation would look MUCH different.
"Like Gandhi’s nonviolent resistance, which would work only against the liberal British, and never against a Hitler or a Stalin, so too the Europeans’ moral posturing seemed to affect only the Americans, who singularly valued the respect of such civilized moralists." - Victor Davis Hanson.
These Mullahs don't respect our morals and values (those stated in the Consistution). In fact, they are of the exact opposite opion as us. They think we are both weak and wicked in that Americans don't put our faith before our country. This is why they hang gays, whip and beat women who have been RAPED, people! This is why they censor the news and outlaw things like Western music! They think we are heathens, and a spreading our hedonistic ways across the globe.
And now the are blatantly trying to blackmail us with our OWN technology. I wonder how long it would take an Islamic theocratic society to develop nuclear technology on their own? They are about to point our own fucking gun at us people!!! Wake the fuck up!!!!
The EU isn't gonna stop Iran. The UN isn't gonna stop Iran. China or Russia isn't gonna stop Iran. And if the US even thinks about it, the whole world will condem us for war-mongering/profiteering.
So we're just gonna sit back and let these guys piss all over us until they get the bomb. Then they are just gonna piss some more cause we are out of options at that point.
This is not a matter of "we should respect other's differences". This is a matter of good versus evil!
I know you summarily dismiss the 600,000 number dead in Iraq. Two plans crashed in New York and 3000 died. Did you see the weeks of bombing in Bagdad? There is a reason we don't report the dead - and a reason we label huge numbers of Iraqis as Insurgents - so their deaths don't count
While you insist on labeling virtually millions of people as evil - you will always be at war. You can never win - We are Atilla the Hun. He had a reason for killing people too which he thought richeous. Just as you do, and as Saddam did.
We must learn to understand that these are people.. very few - virtually zero are evil. they do things we can say are wrong - but so do we.
When I show the horrible things the US has done - you dismiss it as America bashing - what it should do is show that the other side is exactly the same and the only resolution can come from cooperation
Remember slavery.. do you need details of how horrible that was. That rivaled absolutely any other atrocity - every other - to include the Holocaust. We stole people children and sold them - we tortured and murdered them - we took away their dignity and forced them to work under horrible conditions - Imagine some of the things wayward teenagers and red neck drunks did with them on weekends.
Yet you don't say American's are evil. You don't say Germans are evil.
But you freely call Iraq and Iran and Syria and a host of others .. how you won't even allow to talk.. evil - and perpetuate a ridiculous war and hope to step it up wiping out the evil people....
I've been mentioning Martin Luther King lately.. because he was very wise. He was smart enough to know that American - the very people that tortured his people - murdered his people - he know we weren't evil - and his only solution was to talk to us - to respect us and to do it peacefully
well duh.. that works for the middle east too.. We have to stop being so sure they are so wrong and so incapable of being as wonderful as us
We are all the same!
You are way off base.
Look at what you wrote, and just think about it okay? Do you see any hypocracy? We are NOT all the same. As you pointed out, look at slavery and what an unimaginable nightmare that was. Well it existed because human beings have the propensity to be fundamentally evil.
Go to any maximum security prison and then come out and tell me "all of us are the same". Some people are just pure fucking evil my friend and there ain't no way around it.
Well, I think the Iranian people are just fine and dandy. It's their leadership that I have a problem with. Anybody who hangs another human becuase they are a homosexual is a fucking evil bigot in my book. Anybody who whips and beats a woman becuase she was "unchaste" because somebody raped her is fucking evil in my book. Like it's her fault or something becuase she was raped. That is unreal dude, and you are going to sit here and say that we are all the same? Would you do or support something like that?
Now, this isn't a matter of you say tomAto, I say TOmato. This isn't a matter of a different culture. This is about R E L I G I O N!!!! That means we will never be able to settle who is right and who is wrong - becuase you can't PROVE any of it!!!!! This is dangerous shit okay???
You have a misguided perspective on this problem.
I am not sure what you even just said. We hung and raped people because they are black. It was not just a few bad apples. It was virtually all Americans. If blacks believe all white Americans were evil - and refused to reason with us - and fought and killed at every opportunity .. we'd still be at war with them and they would still be slaves. We were wrong and negotiation between black and while yielded a great reduction in "evil".
People do bad things.. we have to learn. You are choosing the hate and fight option against Iraneans because they are doing exactly the same thing we did. You can call them dumb because its religion - but we are driven by religion too.
Iraneans can be dealt with - even those that have done evil things. Slaves did not only work with the good whites - they'd have been at a loss to find any. They knew we were people - we were not evil. but we are capable of straying to evil ways. Your prison example is perfect - when people find them selves in these situations - they do bad things - all people - white people, Iraneans, religious nuts, and athiests.
finding a perceived higher ground then hating those different and correcting with weapons - is evil my friend. you are pushing an evil soluting because you have found a way to make it look righeous in your eyes. Your actions are not so richeous when viewed from the other side.
We can never hope to kill or render impotent all the evil people to bring peace - because during a hateful war - everyone will behave as though they are evil.
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