A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930

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A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
August 04, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - People sweltering from a heat wave in the Mid-Atlantic region of the U.S. might find cold comfort in the fact that the temperatures of the past few days are not the hottest on record. That "honor" belongs to a summer 76 years ago -- decades before the controversy over "man-made global warming" began.

"From June 1 to August 31, 1930, 21 days had high temperatures that were 100 degrees or above" in the metropolitan Washington, D.C., area, Patrick Michaels, senior fellow for environmental studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, told Cybercast News Service. "That summer has never been approached, and it's not going to be approached this year."

Between July 19 and Aug. 9 of that year, heat records were set on nine days and they remain unbroken more than three-quarters of a century later. "That's hot," added Michaels, who also serves as professor of natural resources at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Va.

The summer of 1930 also marked the beginning of the longest drought of the 20th century. In 1934, dry regions stretched from New York and Pennsylvania across the Great Plains to California. A "dust bowl" covered about 50 million acres in the south-central plains during the winter of 1935-1936.

However, the first six months of this year were the hottest across the nation since the federal government began keeping records in 1890, according to Dennis Feltgen, a meteorologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who told NBC News that about 50 all-time high-temperature records were broken during the month of July.

But Michaels noted that high temperatures are common in the middle of the summer.

"Climatologically, the last week in July is the warmest week of the year on average, and when the atmospheric flow patterns get into anomalously warm configurations during this time of the year, temperatures will skyrocket," he said.

Along with an unusual upper-air pattern, the Washington, D.C., area "was exceedingly dry" during the summer of 1930, Michaels stated.

"Generally speaking, when the ground is moist here, temperatures cap out in the high 90s," he noted. "That's because the sun's energy is divided into evaporating water and directly heating the surface. If the surface is dry, then everything goes into heating the surface, and you get exceedingly hot temperatures like you saw in 1930.

"Big cities are getting warmer -- with or without global warming -- because the bricks and the buildings and the pavement retain heat," Michaels added. For that reason, he prefers to compare temperatures in nearby rural areas. "There's been very little change" in those areas, "so we trust the record to be a reliable indicator of base climate."

Residents of the nation's capital can look forward to some relief, as weather forecasts for the weekend call for a cooling trend. "If we were going to go into the 100s -- the 103 and 104 degree range -- we would have done it, but there's just a little bit too much moisture in the surface to allow that to happen," Michaels said. He noted, however, that temperatures are expected to rise again next week.

The mid-summer temperatures have provided more opportunities for environmentalists subscribing to the theory that man is responsible for the current global warming.

Jay Gulledge, senior research fellow for science and impacts at the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, told NBC News on Wednesday that "this heat wave and other extreme events we've seen in recent years are completely consistent with what we expect to become more common as a result of global warming, even though we can't be definitive on any single event."

Michaels acknowledged that "global temperatures have been warming slightly for several decades" and noted that the surface of the world "is a little bit warmer than it was in the 1930s" even though "temperatures dropped between 1940 and 1975."

"Usually, the way the jet stream breaks out is very hot in the East and relatively cool in the West or vice versa," he said. "This time around, it looks more like the summers of the 1930s," but he dismissed the idea that the extreme temperatures of that time were caused by man-made "global warming" since "it wasn't around then."

Although the recent heat wave have not convinced Michaels that "global warming" is a severe problem, it was apparently enough to make a "convert" out of conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson.

"We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels," Robertson said during his "700 Club" broadcast on Thursday. The high temperatures in some regions of the U.S. East are "the most convincing evidence I've seen on global warming in a long time," he added.
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  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    Yep, there's no such thing as global warming. So let's keep putting out thousands of tons of pollutants into the air.

    *zzzz*
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • DOSW wrote:
    Yep, there's no such thing as global warming. So let's keep putting out thousands of tons of pollutants into the air.

    *zzzz*

    Thats what I say...regardless if it is a direct cause or not we should make ALL CONCEIVABLE efforts to reduce emmissions as of right now we don't know for sure...I always find its too expenisve a cop out...to me the world is more important than money....but then again that to some makes me sound insane....we as stewards need to clean up our act....
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    sure ... let's ask someone from the cato institute ... and ignore all them climate experts ... :rolleyes:

    where's that head banging penguin when ya need him!! ... :p
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    A massive heat wave in the 30's is no evidence against global warming. Temperature and weather is all based on chance. Global warming is just making the chance of a heat wave more probable. It doesn't mean that there were no heat waves before global warming was a problem.

    I'm not definitively saying global warming exists (even though I believe it does). I'm just saying that a heat wave in the 30's is not evidence against it.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    so i guess a 1930 heat wave debunks years of endless science pointing toward man-made climate change :rolleyes:
  • Sorry to disappoint all the global warming panic mongers here:( I know it's tragic to think man can't alone destroy the planet GOD created and that cycles like we are in now have occurred many times during the planets existence!

    Again, sorry:(

    Somebody remind Al Gore of this. :)
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    Sorry to disappoint all the global warming panic mongers here:( I know it's tragic to think man can't alone destroy the planet GOD created and that cycles like we are in now have occurred many times during the planets existence!

    Again, sorry:(

    Somebody remind Al Gore of this. :)

    Oh. OK. There cannot be global warming because God created the planet. Gotcha. Thanks.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Sorry to disappoint all the global warming panic mongers here:( I know it's tragic to think man can't alone destroy the planet GOD created and that cycles like we are in now have occurred many times during the planets existence!

    Again, sorry:(

    Somebody remind Al Gore of this. :)

    ha ha...I always say "god exists, but global warming is a myth"...

    question: why does god make is so hot...? or is that the devil tempting us to waste energy using cheap air conditioners from walmart...that devil is a tricky one...

    rapture, here we come..!!!!
  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    my2hands wrote:
    so i guess a 1930 heat wave debunks years of endless science pointing toward man-made climate change :rolleyes:

    that's what I'm seeing here. Fuck you Al Gore. There is no such thing as global warming and lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. These are facts
    "I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
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  • Sorry to disappoint all the global warming panic mongers here:( I know it's tragic to think man can't alone destroy the planet GOD created and that cycles like we are in now have occurred many times during the planets existence!

    Again, sorry:(

    Somebody remind Al Gore of this. :)

    Church and State should be separated....once again a relgious arguement to prevent the logical...to me it seems that you think this our playground to rape and pillage....
  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    There is a difference between "weather" and "climate". Weather=short term, climate=long term (25 years). Look in the context of climate and not weather.
  • Church and State should be separated....once again a relgious arguement to prevent the logical...to me it seems that you think this our playground to rape and pillage....

    What in sam hill are you talking about Church and state?? I mentioned the word GOD and you freak out like i've just violated Church and state seperation??

    settle down. It's ok, Christ will be here soon enough:)
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Global warming IS happening. Some people exaturate it quite a bit, but it is a fact. I really could careless. If it ever brings us to our extinction, it is natures will.
  • Church and State should be separated....once again a relgious arguement to prevent the logical...to me it seems that you think this our playground to rape and pillage....
    thats what i dont get. the right is always advocating LESS government involvement in peoples lives- but not when it comes to enforcing thier religion.
    this seems soo inoperative to the typical black-and-white consensus.
    ???


    edit: ok, "some" right just to be fair here.
    Rarghstarfarian.
  • Sorry to disappoint all the global warming panic mongers here:( I know it's tragic to think man can't alone destroy the planet GOD created and that cycles like we are in now have occurred many times during the planets existence!
    Are you excusing the certainty, that GOD gives us all choices and freewill?
    Rarghstarfarian.
  • Here's a little lecture on climate and weather:

    http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/harders/geo390/chapter15.pdf
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    settle down. It's ok, Christ will be here soon enough:)

    yeah, we've all heard that one before...still waiting...
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • NewJPage wrote:
    yeah, we've all heard that one before...still waiting...
    He is the SUN...........
    Rarghstarfarian.
  • NewJPage wrote:
    yeah, we've all heard that one before...still waiting...

    Won't be long now.
  • Won't be long now.

    Don't hold your breath. He probably took a look at this dump we've turned the earth into and said 'fuck em'.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Won't be long now.
    You pray. I prefer to think.
    When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis
  • Don't hold your breath. He probably took a look at this dump we've turned the earth into and said 'fuck em'.
    can you blame him?? :eek:
    Rarghstarfarian.
  • What in sam hill are you talking about Church and state?? I mentioned the word GOD and you freak out like i've just violated Church and state seperation??

    settle down. It's ok, Christ will be here soon enough:)
    So will Santa and the Easter Bunny. Really.
    When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    once every 76 years is also how often haley's comet visits our solar system
  • Hooray!

    My generation gets to fix the problem!

    No pressure, guys, no pressure.
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  • What in sam hill are you talking about Church and state?? I mentioned the word GOD and you freak out like i've just violated Church and state seperation??

    settle down. It's ok, Christ will be here soon enough:)


    We get it. You're conservative.
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  • DOSW wrote:
    Yep, there's no such thing as global warming. So let's keep putting out thousands of tons of pollutants into the air.

    *zzzz*
    mmhmm.

    All that anti-global warming stuff is just sucidal anti-science conservative dogma.

    give a hoot, don't pollute.
    Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..

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    Oh my, they dropped the leash.



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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    polaris wrote:
    sure ... let's ask someone from the cato institute ... and ignore all them climate experts ... :rolleyes:

    where's that head banging penguin when ya need him!! ... :p

    Since you think Al Gore is a great spokesperson for your side, please explain to me how Al Gore has more expertise in this area than a climatologist from CATO. And please also explain how the CATO connection decreases the validity of the message.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    LOL...so you get your news from CNS? Explains a lot now....

    A little info about CNS

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cybercast_News_Service
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    nice try, but al gore was merely echoing the findings of a multitude of scientists who believe global warming is in fact real.

    now, if you honestly believe that the crap we're putting in the atmosphere is having no effect, well, pass the ice cubes.

    Apparently your reading comprehension has been suffering. As I've stated in many, many threads on this topic, global warming isn't really the issue of contention. Warming trends, causes, solutions - those are the issues that we're debating. I know it is easy for you to dismiss anyone questioning you or Al Gore by throwing up this "you don't believe in global warming" strawman. I completely acknowlege the phenomenon of global warming. I just don't subscribe to the chicken little fearmonger approach.

    But that's tangential to my question to polaris regarding CATO.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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