Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe

kenny olav

sure, Gore is a hypocrite on the environment, however...

aren't we all?

I mean, we don't all own stock in oil companies that drive people off their land...

but we love to burn that shit!

sourdough

How does this make his message any less relevant? Who here is not ever hyprocritical?? Anyone? **crickets**

Pearl Jam and toast

bootlegger10 wrote:

I wouldn't talk shit about someone on the right trolling for smear-articles unless you talk shit about those on the left who do the same thing.

Apparently my post got deleted for some reason although i had a valid point..

And I fully back the argument about left wing smear journalists but really that has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. They're all douchebags. I was specifically referring to that douchebag binauralsounds and how he's been tackling the apparent problem of Al Gore being the anti christ and how what he and people like him are saying is suicidal. And once again, that makes him a dumbfuck.

Plus just because you don't like Al Gore doesn't mean his point about how we're polluting the hell out of our air and have a dependancy on gasoline and oil comparable to that of a bad heroin addiction is less valid.

Seriously, you can't combat what i said with "well you didn't specifically mention the liberal side of this.." I hate all of them. Jesus that was a stupid reply to what I said.




and here's what i said earlier, again.

me wrote:

nononono i'm really sick of hearing from you.

You (and a lot of other conservative radicals) seem to be on a mission to discredit and slander Al Gore.

I've been over why you're a suicidal dumbfuck in at least 2 of your threads and still haven't heard a rubuttle to anything i've said (and been backed about on said threads).

Dont you have better things to do than look up smear-articles about al gore?

You tell me why he's not a dumbfuck and I'll allow that to be deleted.

binauralsounds

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Apparently my post got deleted for some reason although i had a valid point..

And I fully back the argument about left wing smear journalists but really that has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. They're all douchebags. I was specifically referring to that douchebag binauralsounds and how he's been tackling the apparent problem of Al Gore being the anti christ and how what he and people like him are saying is suicidal. And once again, that makes him a dumbfuck.

Plus just because you don't like Al Gore doesn't mean his point about how we're polluting the hell out of our air and have a dependancy on gasoline and oil comparable to that of a bad heroin addiction is less valid.

Seriously, you can't combat what i said with "well you didn't specifically mention the liberal side of this.." I hate all of them. Jesus that was a stupid reply to what I said.




and here's what i said earlier, again.


You tell me why he's not a dumbfuck and I'll allow that to be deleted.

I think you know why it got deleted. You left out a key part where you bashed me with a cute name...

polaris

anyone wanna talk about the 100 dead in china because of the worst typhoon in recent history?

surferdude

polaris wrote:

anyone wanna talk about the 100 dead in china because of the worst typhoon in recent history?

Sure, but if and only if, you can scientifically find the cause and effect between this typhoon and climate change. Or would you ahter talk about the highly normal weather we are having on the west coast and have had all year.

RainDog

surferdude wrote:

Sure, but if and only if, you can scientifically find the cause and effect between this typhoon and climate change. Or would you ahter talk about the highly normal weather we are having on the west coast and have had all year.

Or the unusual weather we've been having down here recently. And I'm not talking about Katrina and Rita - after all, that's so last year. This summer, we've had a good deal less rainfall than normal. It's only been the last few weeks where we've been getting the kind of expected rainfall we're used to (i.e. just about every damn day). I suppose climate change is global.

Pearl Jam and toast

binauralsounds wrote:

I think you know why it got deleted. You left out a key part where you bashed me with a cute name...

Okay.

So why haven't you refutted anything I've said?

binauralsounds

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Okay.

So why haven't you refutted anything I've said?

there is no possible way to even try to refute what you say after your rant/bash on me and sterotyping others here on the train. your mind is set

surferdude

RainDog wrote:

Or the unusual weather we've been having down here recently. And I'm not talking about Katrina and Rita - after all, that's so last year. This summer, we've had a good deal less rainfall than normal. It's only been the last few weeks where we've been getting the kind of expected rainfall we're used to (i.e. just about every damn day). I suppose climate change is global.

I believe in climate change. But I have to laugh when people attribute a specific event to it.

RainDog

surferdude wrote:

I believe in climate change. But I have to laugh when people attribute a specific event to it.

I don't know that you can really blame an event itself on climate change; but I'm sure climate change has a good deal to do with an event's strength and frequency of occurrence.

Pearl Jam and toast

binauralsounds wrote:

there is no possible way to even try to refute what you say after your rant/bash on me and sterotyping others here on the train. your mind is set

You mean that you really have no idea what you're talking about?

Refute what Al Gore is doing. don't just say "Ohhhh but he's not as much of an environmentalists as he says!" or "Oh it's all liberal propaganda from the science-stapo". Actually give me an argument. None of your threads have a single real argument in them.

So refute to me the main points of the global warming argument.

Why shouldn't we be as least dependant on oil as possible?

It's polluting our air and putting our economic balls in a vice. Whether or not that pollution leads to global warming isn't as important as the message that Gore sends about fixing the problem.

Also... explain to me what's so farfetched about the global warming theory?

the greenhouse effect is fact. It's the term we use to describe the process that the Earth heats itself. Gases like Co2 and Ozone for example trap sunlight inside the Earth's atmosphere (essentially). Without it we would have no heat, weather, climate, or even an atmosphere.

We're putting exponentially more of the greenhouse gases into our atmosphere, which should accelerate the process. More of these gases means less heat from the sun escapes the Earth.

Now tell me why that's irrational liberal bullshit.


By the way, I haven't brought up a single stereotype. I'd like to see the one you mentioned.

surferdude

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

It's polluting our air and putting our economic balls in a vice.

Sorry but it's not put "our economic balls in a vice". The only time your "economic balls" can be put in a vice is if you refuse to adapt to market conditions. I have full and complete faith that Canada, America and other economies will have no problem adapting. Gore and others stick to science, stay away from economics, there's a reason Wall Street isn't big on hiring ecologists.

Pearl Jam and toast

surferdude wrote:

Sorry but it's not put "our economic balls in a vice". The only time your "economic balls" can be put in a vice is if you refuse to adapt to market conditions. I have full and complete faith that Canada, America and other economies will have no problem adapting. Gore and others stick to science, stay away from economics, there's a reason Wall Street isn't big on hiring ecologists.

Putting so much dependance on one thing is always bad. Like with corn... we use a mindblowing amount of corn in this country. If something should happen to it we're fucked. Now I think we've evolved enough to avoid another potato (corn) famine , but you see what I'm saying? If something happens to our oil we're gonna be in an extremely tough position. And oil is a finite source of energy no matter how much we have in reserve. Eventually we're gonna have to face the music, and I'd rather we be ready for it long before.

polaris

surferdude wrote:

Sure, but if and only if, you can scientifically find the cause and effect between this typhoon and climate change. Or would you ahter talk about the highly normal weather we are having on the west coast and have had all year.

i don't have time to type the entire scientific background which ties increased level of severe weather with climate change - even tho i have typed it many times before ...

and how can you say the weather on the west coast has been normal?? ... first of all - the heat wave, secondly the amount of sunshine ... my good friend lives in vancouver and she said its fucked up weather ...

surferdude

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Putting so much dependance on one thing is always bad. Like with corn... we use a mindblowing amount of corn in this country. If something should happen to it we're fucked. Now I think we've evolved enough to avoid another potato (corn) famine , but you see what I'm saying? If something happens to our oil we're gonna be in an extremely tough position. And oil is a finite source of energy no matter how much we have in reserve. Eventually we're gonna have to face the music, and I'd rather we be ready for it long before.

There's no money in being ready for it in advance so that's not going to happen. Economies don't work that way. The price of oil either has to get higher , the oil depletion date has to be nearer, or someone has to come through with a huge scientific break through before you see real change.
Do you buy beer when you still have a fridge full or when you're starting to run out?

surferdude

polaris wrote:

i don't have time to type the entire scientific background which ties increased level of severe weather with climate change - even tho i have typed it many times before ...

and how can you say the weather on the west coast has been normal?? ... first of all - the heat wave, secondly the amount of sunshine ... my good friend lives in vancouver and she said its fucked up weather ...

We've had many summers like this. Today, light rain scattered clouds high of about 22. Normal.

polaris

surferdude wrote:

We've had many summers like this. Today, light rain scattered clouds high of about 22. Normal.

i'm sorry but news reports and everyone i know who live in vancouver says otherwise ...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/07/22/bc-hot.html

all of north america went thru this heatwave as with europe and you are claiming it is normal? ... i find that mind boggling ...

surferdude

polaris wrote:

i'm sorry but news reports and everyone i know who live in vancouver says otherwise ...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/07/22/bc-hot.html

all of north america went thru this heatwave as with europe and you are claiming it is normal? ... i find that mind boggling ...

That article is three weeks old. If you are going to point to a specific day or period with high temperatures as proof of climate change then it is equally reliable to point to a period with average temperatures and rainfall as proof that climate change is not understood.

OutOfBreath

Even if Gore isn't as good at practising what he's preaching, his points remain valid. In politics, the message and policy is always way more important than the person dictating it. But it is of course always fun to ta catch them not doing what they say themselves.

Peace
Dan