IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

binauralsounds

shiraz wrote:

Is there anyone who can translate this? all I know it has something to do with Qana, but I can't understand a word cause it's in French.

http://www.libanoscopie.com/fulldoc.asp?doccode=994&cat=2

Thank you.

translated via babelfish:


Lebanon awoke on a new massacre of innocent, the victims are handicapped children who were taken refuge in a building which was attacked by Israeli aviation Cana still, a symbol, "the grapes of anger" in 1996 had failed because of this bur. 40 or can be 50 killed today in Cana in the South Lebanon. Horror. But why a similar bur, an error? A premeditated massacre? A source generally quite informed tells us his version: "Hezbollah, wedged by the 7 points suggested by the Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, who put a plan of deployment of the Lebanese army on all the territory and primarily at the South Lebanon, and thus the disarmament of the militia of the party of God, wanted to ruin these negotiations. It put in pace a plan machiavelic by creating an event which would enable him to cancel this project. Knowing very well that Israel will not have a state of heart to bombard civil targets, militants of Hezbollah installed a base of launching of rockets on the roof from a building in Cana and y piled up crippled children in the firm intention to see a counterpart on behalf of Israeli aviation and to create a new situation, using the massacre of these innocent to take again the initiative of the negotiations "Adding: "they have uses Cana which was already a symbol of a massacre the innocent ones, they fomented a Cana 2". Indeed the president of the room Nabih Berri announced that the negotiations with the American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will not be any more continued for the moment before having one cease unconditional fire, first claim of Hezbollah, it is necessary all to begin again again.

shiraz

binauralsounds wrote:

translated via babelfish:


Lebanon awoke on a new massacre of innocent, the victims are handicapped children who were taken refuge in a building which was attacked by Israeli aviation Cana still, a symbol, "the grapes of anger" in 1996 had failed because of this bur. 40 or can be 50 killed today in Cana in the South Lebanon. Horror. But why a similar bur, an error? A premeditated massacre? A source generally quite informed tells us his version: "Hezbollah, wedged by the 7 points suggested by the Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, who put a plan of deployment of the Lebanese army on all the territory and primarily at the South Lebanon, and thus the disarmament of the militia of the party of God, wanted to ruin these negotiations. It put in pace a plan machiavelic by creating an event which would enable him to cancel this project. Knowing very well that Israel will not have a state of heart to bombard civil targets, militants of Hezbollah installed a base of launching of rockets on the roof from a building in Cana and y piled up crippled children in the firm intention to see a counterpart on behalf of Israeli aviation and to create a new situation, using the massacre of these innocent to take again the initiative of the negotiations "Adding: "they have uses Cana which was already a symbol of a massacre the innocent ones, they fomented a Cana 2". Indeed the president of the room Nabih Berri announced that the negotiations with the American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will not be any more continued for the moment before having one cease unconditional fire, first claim of Hezbollah, it is necessary all to begin again again.

I thought this is some Lebanese web site, I got that link via mail from an unknowen sender, it made me curious so I wanted to know what was written there. Do you think that info is valid?

Ahnimus

This is kind of an interesting reverse of roles. You are the conspiracy theorists and I am the one you have to convince.

Ok, so what you are saying is that Hezbollah grabbed a bunch of crippled kids and killed them in the name of Israel?

Where did they get these kids from? Where are the kids parents?

IDF says there were bombs in the building that they may have ignited? How by hitting it with more bombs?

What are you trying to imply here, that Hezbollah doesn't act on behalf of the Lebonese? They use Lebonese to act in Iranian interest? What does Iran have to gain from all this? They get to wipe Israel off the map? What would that get them? Peace and quiet? I don't get it. What's the motivation here? You say hatred, but why?

shiraz

Ahnimus wrote:

What are you trying to imply here, that Hezbollah doesn't act on behalf of the Lebonese? They use Lebonese to act in Iranian interest? What does Iran have to gain from all this? They get to wipe Israel off the map? What would that get them? Peace and quiet? I don't get it. What's the motivation here? You say hatred, but why?

Ahmm... we don't have to imply anything. all of the above are facts and statements made by Hizbullah & Iran themselfs many many times.

Ahnimus wrote:

This is kind of an interesting reverse of roles. You are the conspiracy theorists and I am the one you have to convince.

Conspiracy? no, I just find it interesting people from Lebanon itself claim Hizbullah was the one who really caused "Qana 2", so I asked (=/= assumed) if this info could be valid, especially after the supposedly evidence by which that building collapsed 7 hours after the air-force attack. You got to admit this is a bit strange, hence it worth an interest.

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, so what you are saying is that Hezbollah grabbed a bunch of crippled kids and killed them in the name of Israel?

No, that web-site (which I underestand is Lebanese) said that, we want to know if such thing could be true.

Ahnimus wrote:

Where did they get these kids from? Where are the kids parents?

It's a village of Hizbullah supporters (=civilians who support the Hizbullah, but it doesn't mean they deserved to get killed), people lived there...

Ahnimus wrote:

IDF says there were bombs in the building that they may have ignited? How by hitting it with more bombs?

IDF insists they only attacked that same bulding between 00:00-01:00, so they find it unusual for the building to collapse 7 hours later. Note they didn't say anything else, and went into 2 days air force cease-fire anyways.

Either way, none of it could help the civilians who died there.

Open

NMyTree wrote:

....and Hizbullah achieves their desired effect. They are playing the world for fools.




A large number of the Lebanese people (but not every single individual) are complicit in Hizbullah's plans.

They support, finance, shelter and aid Hizbullah in their plans and strategy. They are complicit. They knew what was going to happen. They knew mant would die. They wanted the martyrdom.

Are you seriously trying to say that Israel should not be blamed for any of these casualties, dude open your eyes. This isnt some football game where you can blindly cheer for one side. Innocent people are being killed, if we're so "humane" and "moral" then you error on the side of life not death. Sickening.