Obama-"strongest military on the planet"

RolandTD20Kdrummer

saveuplife wrote:

I think he's right.

What I love about this is:

If Bush said this... half of you that said "I see nothing wrong with that" would be bitching. Now that he says it, it's cool. Either way, I think it's good stuff.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

This is another way of saying expect no expenses to be spared with regards to military spending looking forward.

and the war machine rolls on.

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

This is another way of saying expect no expenses to be spared with regards to military spending looking forward.

and the war machine rolls on.

And how does this bother or effect or concern your life as a Canadian?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

And how does this bother or effect or concern your life as a Canadian?

You mean how does this affect the world as a whole?

uuuuhhhh....

Geeeee I have no idea, and I could never see the connections in a millions years....

aNiMaL

saveuplife wrote:

I think he's right.

What I love about this is:

If Bush said this... half of you that said "I see nothing wrong with that" would be bitching. Now that he says it, it's cool. Either way, I think it's good stuff.

Because GW lost our trust with the powers of war when he fucked up so dramatically with respects to Iraq. That doesn't mean any of us are anti-war. Military powers are a very necessary evil in this world.

aNiMaL

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You mean how does this affect the world as a whole?

uuuuhhhh....

Geeeee I have no idea, and I could never see the connections in a millions years....

No, our US expenses that we spend to uphold our strong military, that doesn't effect you at all. As a Canadian you should feel good that we are here to protect you Canadians and are willing to carry that burden.

How we utilize our military throughout the world is different - this is just talking about maintaining a strong military with or without two wars going on currently.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

aNiMaL wrote:

No, our US expenses that we spend to uphold our strong military, that doesn't effect you at all. As a Canadian you should feel good that we are here to protect you Canadians and are willing to carry that burden.

How we utilize our military throughout the world is different - this is just talking about maintaining a strong military with or without two wars going on currently.

Well I strongly (strongly) disagree with your opinion, and you're not going to convince me either way of anything on this topic.

Bush pre-emptive war doctrine keeps playing on the radio.

saveuplife

aNiMaL wrote:

Because GW lost our trust with the powers of war when he fucked up so dramatically with respects to Iraq. That doesn't mean any of us are anti-war. Military powers are a very necessary evil in this world.

You can rationalize your opinion any way you like. If Bush said those words, you'd be upset. But, since Obama said them you are fine. If Bush stayed in Iraq, you'd be upset. But, since, Obama will stay there you'll be fine. It has nothing to do with the tactics, it has to do with the R and the D.

It's only going to get worse as the similarities between Obama's policy and Bush's policy become more and more apparent. You're going to have to really think about what you really value now. And maybe even,,, (OMG is he really going to say what I think he's going to say?).... part ways with Obama on some issues. (OMG,,... he did say it)

Kraven

He never mentioned any war or country explicitly. All he said was military, and trying to make it stronger. He didn't say presence or he is putting more troops places. He said stronger, which implies to me that he wants to spend money on items like armor, better vehicles, recruitment, more R&D, not once are the words Iraq, Afghanistan, war or terrorism mentioned. He has a timetable set up in Iraq that he is going to go over with the generals when they meet, he is not keeping us there.

He is focusing the war on terrorism on Afghanistan because that's where it should be fought! I don't mind going after these people, they did a horrific thing to our country, I just want to be sure we are going after the right people and not wasting our money or 5(!) years on a war that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on the WTC.

aNiMaL

saveuplife wrote:

You can rationalize your opinion any way you like. If Bush said those words, you'd be upset. But, since Obama said them you are fine. If Bush stayed in Iraq, you'd be upset. But, since, Obama will stay there you'll be fine. It has nothing to do with the tactics, it has to do with the R and the D.

It's only going to get worse as the similarities between Obama's policy and Bush's policy become more and more apparent. You're going to have to really think about what you really value now. And maybe even,,, (OMG is he really going to say what I think he's going to say?).... part ways with Obama on some issues. (OMG,,... he did say it)

Whoa, i am sick and tired of mother fuckers telling me what I think and why I think things, completely disregarding what I said. It is really starting to piss me off.

I didn't rationalize any fucking thing. I agreed with you and was telling you WHY I THINK THAT WAY. But you have your head too far up your own ass to read or understand that.

No, it has nothing to do with a D or an R as you so wish it would. It has EVERYTHING to do with the man at the helm, regardless of his party affiliation. Do you really honestly think that the only reason people do not like the current president is because of his party affiliation? If you really believe that (which you have insinuated that you do), then I have ocean front property in Arizona to sell you because you are a fool. George Walker Bush has lost the trust of the American people to hold the keys to the military after the GRAVE fuck ups that are the Iraq war. He has proven that HE cannot be trusted with the young lives of our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers and mother who sign up to defend this great nation.

Gates and Obama together will work out a plan to draw down our troops in Iraq in a responsible manner and hand control back to Iraq. I am not a fucking idiot - I do not expect that to happen over night on Jan 20th. It does take time and planning. However, I trust Obama's planning at this point a whole helluva a lot more than GW's, because GW has lost my trust a long fucking time ago. Obama has yet to ruin that trust. If he does, you better believe I will be calling for his head.

I don't have to think about my values, dude. I do not change them that easily at all. They have held stead fast this long, why would they change? Are you that far up one of the political parties ass that you cannot think for yourself, hence why you are trying to project that mentality onto me?

I am already parted ways with Obama on a few issues, from the get go. But he still has my support on the majority of the grave issues facing our nation and world. And between he and McCain, Obama held more of my morals and values, not all of them, but most of them. But, I don't know him personally and will have no issue at all rallying against him if he does something that i strongly disagree with. Just like when GW fucked up, that is when I started rallying against him. there was a short time that I was very glad that GW was my president. He quickly ruined that when he invaded a country that had nothi8ng to do with those who attacked us. But that is neither here nor there. We are where we are where GW has placed us and we as a nation need to work together in a bipartisan way to resolve these issues for the future generations of this great country. I believe thus far that Obama has shown the wherewithal to get that done.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

saveuplife wrote:

You can rationalize your opinion any way you like. If Bush said those words, you'd be upset. But, since Obama said them you are fine. If Bush stayed in Iraq, you'd be upset. But, since, Obama will stay there you'll be fine. It has nothing to do with the tactics, it has to do with the R and the D.

LOL...dude, that's totally unfair. I don't usually like to get in the middle, but c'mon. You don't know that he thinks like that. Get real.

saveuplife wrote:

It's only going to get worse as the similarities between Obama's policy and Bush's policy become more and more apparent.

I agree, and it's good to try to educate people on that...but telling them "oh you're just one of these pro-Obama fools who all think alike" is not gonna open their ears up to what you have to say. If your goal is to help people get a clearer picture on this stuff, you're gonna fail with these kinds of posts. At least judge the guy on what he says, not what you think he thinks.

Drowned Out

saveuplife wrote:

I think he's right.

What I love about this is:

If Bush said this... half of you that said "I see nothing wrong with that" would be bitching. Now that he says it, it's cool. Either way, I think it's good stuff.

At one time, this board had a fair amount of Bush supporters...over the years, they've slowly disappeared, changed names or post less frequently. I can't help but wonder what things will be like around here in three years...

aNiMaL wrote:

No, our US expenses that we spend to uphold our strong military, that doesn't effect you at all. As a Canadian you should feel good that we are here to protect you Canadians and are willing to carry that burden.

How we utilize our military throughout the world is different - this is just talking about maintaining a strong military with or without two wars going on currently.

Why would anyone attack Canada? Even without an ultra powerful military (of our own, or to the South), it would be crazy to do so...look at how vast our country is. Talk about a quagmire. One winter and the invaders will would be near broken Not to mention those damn oceans in the way...not exactly an easy mobilization for most countries.

That said...if the US would stop making so many enemies and making us guilty by association, I wouldn't see any reason for anyone to attack us...I'm more worried about US soldiers in Canada down the road than any other country...if we're talking turrist attacks, a strong military does nothing to stop that...
Do you really think that the US 'protecting' Canada (from what?) is just a burden youre carrying out of the kindness of your hearts? The only difference between your 'protection' of us and that of any other trade partner is that you NEED us to play along with your games in order to keep the continent safe from all your boogeymen...you also NEED our resources. We owe you nothing.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Drowned Out wrote:

At one time, this board had a fair amount of Bush supporters...over the years, they've slowly disappeared, changed names or post less frequently. I can't help but wonder what things will be like around here in three years...



Why would anyone attack Canada? Even without an ultra powerful military (of our own, or to the South), it would be crazy to do so...look at how vast our country is. Talk about a quagmire. One winter and the invaders will would be near broken Not to mention those damn oceans in the way...not exactly an easy mobilization for most countries.

That said...if the US would stop making so many enemies and making us guilty by association, I wouldn't see any reason for anyone to attack us...I'm more worried about US soldiers in Canada down the road than any other country...if we're talking turrist attacks, a strong military does nothing to stop that...
Do you really think that the US 'protecting' Canada (from what?) is just a burden youre carrying out of the kindness of your hearts? The only difference between your 'protection' of us and that of any other trade partner is that you NEED us to play along with your games in order to keep the continent safe from all your boogeymen...you also NEED our resources. We owe you nothing.

Don't be silly...the turrrists, will eventually figure out how to genetically breed water camels and swim across the Atlantic.

We need a huge continent-wide super uber-duber military death force to counter this ever present danger.

Camels are mean sob's, especially when they're cold, wet, and grumpy.

aNiMaL

Drowned Out wrote:

Why would anyone attack Canada? Even without an ultra powerful military (of our own, or to the South), it would be crazy to do so...look at how vast our country is. Talk about a quagmire. One winter and the invaders will would be near broken Not to mention those damn oceans in the way...not exactly an easy mobilization for most countries.

That said...if the US would stop making so many enemies and making us guilty by association, I wouldn't see any reason for anyone to attack us...I'm more worried about US soldiers in Canada down the road than any other country...if we're talking turrist attacks, a strong military does nothing to stop that...
Do you really think that the US 'protecting' Canada (from what?) is just a burden youre carrying out of the kindness of your hearts? The only difference between your 'protection' of us and that of any other trade partner is that you NEED us to play along with your games in order to keep the continent safe from all your boogeymen...you also NEED our resources. We owe you nothing.

I apologize; I said that in jest about us protecting Canada to Roland. I love Canada and would hope that no one ever provokes Canada. If they did, we would always be there for them, just as they are for us. That said, Canada doesn't piss nearly the amount of people off around the world like we do. So yeah, no one has any current plans that I am aware o to attack Canada. And i agree that we need to mend our foreign relations that have been strained over the last 7 plus years. No, we don;t carry the burden of protecting Canada in our hearts, being that we as a country as too vulnerable ourselves at this point to worry about the Canadian nation in that same manner. Rest assured, I love Canada the the Canadians. i visity as often as i can and couldn't be more pleased to have them as a neighbor to the north.

JaneNY

I'm not sure what the problem is. Teddy Roosevelt said walk softly but carry a big stick. If Obama did not assert the need to maintain a strong military, I'm sure there is a segment that would call him 'weak on defense'. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Drowned Out

aNiMaL wrote:

I apologize; I said that in jest about us protecting Canada to Roland. I love Canada and would hope that no one ever provokes Canada. If they did, we would always be there for them, just as they are for us. That said, Canada doesn't piss nearly the amount of people off around the world like we do. So yeah, no one has any current plans that I am aware o to attack Canada. And i agree that we need to mend our foreign relations that have been strained over the last 7 plus years. No, we don;t carry the burden of protecting Canada in our hearts, being that we as a country as too vulnerable ourselves at this point to worry about the Canadian nation in that same manner. Rest assured, I love Canada the the Canadians. i visity as often as i can and couldn't be more pleased to have them as a neighbor to the north.

holy shit! an apology on the train? appreciated.

Still, I wish you had a more peaceful view of mending foreign policy...keeping military spending anywhere near the levels it's at under Bush sends the wrong message to the world IMO.


(ah, Roland, what a visual...a fleet of shivering camels swimming past the rock....camels: wtf? brrrrr newfies: wtf'in lard tunder )

Grace7

My opinion, that I'm sure makes no difference, is: Obama's gotta play these factions while accomplishing some bit of progress BECAUSE it's ALL about 2012 and has been. Any respectable change will only come in 2nd term.
No?

Radicalized camels no douibt!

Collin

Kraven wrote:

He never mentioned any war or country explicitly. All he said was military, and trying to make it stronger. He didn't say presence or he is putting more troops places. He said stronger, which implies to me that he wants to spend money on items like armor, better vehicles, recruitment, more R&D, not once are the words Iraq, Afghanistan, war or terrorism mentioned. He has a timetable set up in Iraq that he is going to go over with the generals when they meet, he is not keeping us there.

He is focusing the war on terrorism on Afghanistan because that's where it should be fought! I don't mind going after these people, they did a horrific thing to our country, I just want to be sure we are going after the right people and not wasting our money or 5(!) years on a war that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on the WTC.

He said that he would fiercely continue the war on terror, try to get out of Iraq and focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

JaneNY wrote:

I'm not sure what the problem is. Teddy Roosevelt said walk softly but carry a big stick. If Obama did not assert the need to maintain a strong military, I'm sure there is a segment that would call him 'weak on defense'. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The problem is America doesn't walk softly. Our military presence is felt all over the world, and it's scary to other nations. So it just adds to that fear when our president says stuff like that...it increases tensions worldwide. It's bad.

There's no need for Obama to say we need to be the strongest force "on the planet". Really, why should it matter if some segment calls him weak on defense? Lots of big segments criticized and hated TR...it's just political bs that he doesn't need to play.

Anon

saveuplife wrote:

You can rationalize your opinion any way you like. If Bush said those words, you'd be upset. But, since Obama said them you are fine. If Bush stayed in Iraq, you'd be upset. But, since, Obama will stay there you'll be fine. It has nothing to do with the tactics, it has to do with the R and the D.

It's only going to get worse as the similarities between Obama's policy and Bush's policy become more and more apparent. You're going to have to really think about what you really value now. And maybe even,,, (OMG is he really going to say what I think he's going to say?).... part ways with Obama on some issues. (OMG,,... he did say it)

I'm feeling really left out here guys.

Can someone please show me how i can cross the streams. I totally need to get to that magical mysterious place where you have this amazing ability to be able to know how someone thinks... I wanna play too. Thanks a bunch.