Obama-"strongest military on the planet"
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Obama vows US will maintain "strongest military on the planet"
by Staff Writers
Chicago (AFP) Dec 1, 2008
US President-elect Barack Obama vowed Monday to ensure the US military remains the strongest force "on the planet" despite the economic challenges facing the country.
"To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet," Obama said as he unveiled a heavyweight national security team to serve when he takes office on January 20.
"We also agree the strength of our military has to be combined with the wisdom and force of diplomacy, and that we are going to be committed to rebuilding and restrengthening alliances around the world to advance American interests and American security," he said.
Obama was speaking after nominating former first lady Senator Hillary Clinton to be his secretary of state and announcing that Defense Secretary Robert Gates would remain as defense secrtary.
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I tend to think that "Prosperity" at home will mainly come from having the strongest Health care on the planet, the best schools on the planet, the best roads on the planet and so on.
Sure a strong army is good, but would America need such a powerful army if it was not attacking other countries? Overthrowing nations? Taking others countries natural resoucres? Or maybe they need the "strongest military on the planet" to defend themselves of all the jealous people in the world who want to attack America because they hate freedom?
and the thinking that you will have peace abroad by having the strongest military on the planet....well now, wtf?
by Staff Writers
Chicago (AFP) Dec 1, 2008
US President-elect Barack Obama vowed Monday to ensure the US military remains the strongest force "on the planet" despite the economic challenges facing the country.
"To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet," Obama said as he unveiled a heavyweight national security team to serve when he takes office on January 20.
"We also agree the strength of our military has to be combined with the wisdom and force of diplomacy, and that we are going to be committed to rebuilding and restrengthening alliances around the world to advance American interests and American security," he said.
Obama was speaking after nominating former first lady Senator Hillary Clinton to be his secretary of state and announcing that Defense Secretary Robert Gates would remain as defense secrtary.
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I tend to think that "Prosperity" at home will mainly come from having the strongest Health care on the planet, the best schools on the planet, the best roads on the planet and so on.
Sure a strong army is good, but would America need such a powerful army if it was not attacking other countries? Overthrowing nations? Taking others countries natural resoucres? Or maybe they need the "strongest military on the planet" to defend themselves of all the jealous people in the world who want to attack America because they hate freedom?
and the thinking that you will have peace abroad by having the strongest military on the planet....well now, wtf?
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I also do not see anything wrong with maintaining a strong military.
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prosperity for whom?
Count me in. Sounds ok to me.
Add me too...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm curious to know the answer too. Maybe his supporters can help out, rather than just say 'I agree with what he said' and give him a pass.
What would you have preferred Obama said?
What country would you rather have as a military power.. China?
I can think of quite a few things keeping and funding the military is not one of them.
Anyway, back to the question. Any Obama fan want to answer it?
To whom will 'the strongest military on the planet' bring prosperity? And how will this costly business bring prosperity?
And surely there must be some Obama fans who don't agree with this at all?
naděje umírá poslední
1 - The use of the term "fan" is pejorative. You're implying that people irrationnaly back barack obama rather than entertaining the possibility that they rationally agree with what he says. Basically, thought is not something reserved for the critics.
2 - It's easy to see who will the strongest military on the planet bring prosperity to : everyone working for the strongest military on the planet, and all the people gravitating around them. That doesn't mean it's worth it, just saying there clearly are people (and businesses) who access prosperity via this big military thing.
Now I don't see as impossible for the us the maintain the biggest baddest military on the planet while reducing costs and affecting them elsewhere (like repaying the debt or giving the us a civilized healthcare plan). The current spending is so enormously big that it doesn't really seem that odd to save a few billions and still stay n°1.
1. "someone who admires and supports a person, sport, sports team, etc:"
It doesn't say they support irrationally. Anyway, regardless of the definition your theory certainly sounds good and well thought out, however, it doesn't change the fact it's mere guess work and you are wrong about me and my intentions.
2. I agree, but not entirely. It's mostly the contractors and businesses that profit the most. The people loose their children.
3. War is a costly business, Obama intends to fiercely prosecute the war on terror. Anyway, I hope he can cut some costs. I just think he would be able to cut more if he didn't want to pursue the war so eagerly.
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I think, as with everything, the military should be a matter of balance.
There are many other costs he can get rid off :
- the ludicrous (and dangerous) 'star wars' program
- by reinforcing existing alliance, rely more on allies and reduce military presence
- limiting the scope of the war on terror.
I doubt we will see the end of this war (especially after the events in india), but maybe some politicians will try to tackle this issue more rationally than the last 7 years.
what country has Obama invaded....? the reason I ask is you rant on about America attacking other nations and taking resources, yet Mr. Obama has not been sworn in....I agree that the foreign policy of the US has been aggressive in the past, that does not mean Obama will do the same...
If he had said the US Military was weak, I'd be pretty upset...
What I love about this is:
If Bush said this... half of you that said "I see nothing wrong with that" would be bitching. Now that he says it, it's cool. Either way, I think it's good stuff.
Well, if you throw in the things Obama says, some of his views (Russia,Israel,Iran, some of his politics...Then add his recent choices to his admin who are very familiar with war and invasions.
What other conclusion can one come up with?
Take this for example, if I start to become friends, or pick friends who are thugs, thiefs...liars and so on. What direction do you think i'm going in? A good one?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and the war machine rolls on.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You mean how does this affect the world as a whole?
uuuuhhhh....
Geeeee I have no idea, and I could never see the connections in a millions years....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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How we utilize our military throughout the world is different - this is just talking about maintaining a strong military with or without two wars going on currently.
Well I strongly (strongly) disagree with your opinion, and you're not going to convince me either way of anything on this topic.
Bush pre-emptive war doctrine keeps playing on the radio.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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You can rationalize your opinion any way you like. If Bush said those words, you'd be upset. But, since Obama said them you are fine. If Bush stayed in Iraq, you'd be upset. But, since, Obama will stay there you'll be fine. It has nothing to do with the tactics, it has to do with the R and the D.
It's only going to get worse as the similarities between Obama's policy and Bush's policy become more and more apparent. You're going to have to really think about what you really value now. And maybe even,,, (OMG is he really going to say what I think he's going to say?).... part ways with Obama on some issues. (OMG,,... he did say it)
He is focusing the war on terrorism on Afghanistan because that's where it should be fought! I don't mind going after these people, they did a horrific thing to our country, I just want to be sure we are going after the right people and not wasting our money or 5(!) years on a war that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on the WTC.
I didn't rationalize any fucking thing. I agreed with you and was telling you WHY I THINK THAT WAY. But you have your head too far up your own ass to read or understand that.
No, it has nothing to do with a D or an R as you so wish it would. It has EVERYTHING to do with the man at the helm, regardless of his party affiliation. Do you really honestly think that the only reason people do not like the current president is because of his party affiliation? If you really believe that (which you have insinuated that you do), then I have ocean front property in Arizona to sell you because you are a fool. George Walker Bush has lost the trust of the American people to hold the keys to the military after the GRAVE fuck ups that are the Iraq war. He has proven that HE cannot be trusted with the young lives of our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers and mother who sign up to defend this great nation.
Gates and Obama together will work out a plan to draw down our troops in Iraq in a responsible manner and hand control back to Iraq. I am not a fucking idiot - I do not expect that to happen over night on Jan 20th. It does take time and planning. However, I trust Obama's planning at this point a whole helluva a lot more than GW's, because GW has lost my trust a long fucking time ago. Obama has yet to ruin that trust. If he does, you better believe I will be calling for his head.
I don't have to think about my values, dude. I do not change them that easily at all. They have held stead fast this long, why would they change? Are you that far up one of the political parties ass that you cannot think for yourself, hence why you are trying to project that mentality onto me?
I am already parted ways with Obama on a few issues, from the get go. But he still has my support on the majority of the grave issues facing our nation and world. And between he and McCain, Obama held more of my morals and values, not all of them, but most of them. But, I don't know him personally and will have no issue at all rallying against him if he does something that i strongly disagree with. Just like when GW fucked up, that is when I started rallying against him. there was a short time that I was very glad that GW was my president. He quickly ruined that when he invaded a country that had nothi8ng to do with those who attacked us. But that is neither here nor there. We are where we are where GW has placed us and we as a nation need to work together in a bipartisan way to resolve these issues for the future generations of this great country. I believe thus far that Obama has shown the wherewithal to get that done.