Again, that doesn't answer my question does it.
So what did Nader mean about the 'Russia had enough comment'? I've already commented that i thought he spoke well, and i agree we should keep our nose out of Russias affairs, but he clearly thought that Russia had snapped and became the aggressors. Yes/No?
I think Obama was pandering with that comment, as I doubt the average American is aware of the truth about the Georgia-Russia conflict.
This is what politicians do, sadly.
It is either inellectualy dishonest or simply naive to think that Obama is only "pandering" by making such false accusations of agression against Russia.
Even though you seem to admit skepticism towards his policies later in your post, by saying he is "pandering" you have given him a significant pass by implying that the comments are simply made as some sort of public image campaign meant to impress the masses.
That simply isn't so.
The sad reality is that the talking points Obama espouses about Georgia\Russia are simply a direct regurgitation of those supplied to him by the major power brokers of the world ... the same talking points they have put down on record in their political manipulation machine -- The Council On Foreign Relations -- the body of whom nearly EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF OBAMA'S TRANSITION TEAM IS A MEMBER OF.
People need to understand his isn't just empty rhetoric meant to please the people.
This is deliberately and maliciously crafted propaganda meant to MANIPULATE and CONTROL the people, by telling them what their masters want them to hear.
Thats all it is.
:(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Still no response from anyone at team nader.
What a fucking surprise.
Whoa...lighten up francis...you're going to burst a vein.
Put Nader and Obama on a stage....let them debate.
Broadcast it on Pay per view.
That's worth watching.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Still no response from anyone at team nader.
What a fucking surprise.
Oh please :rolleyes:
No, I don't think he meant Russia's the aggressor. Happy now?
Anyway, even if he did think Russia was the aggressor, it's a little besides the point, isn't it?
Obama is practically getting ready for war while Nader is saying, it's not America's business. The US should take care of its own shit first, and drop this 'world police' act. That's the point.
Human Rights Watch charges Georgia used defective Israeli-made cluster bombs
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel News, Russia
A new study by the Human Rights Watch (HRW) organization has found that Georgia used Israeli-made cluster bombs during its war with Russia, and that the weapons were defective, detonating in populated areas, killing Georgian civilians
Georgia, responding to the report, termed its conclusions "impossible."
The HRW report said that Russia also fired cluster bombs in large quantities, according an assessment by American intelligence.
HRW investigators said they discovered that the Georgian cluster bombs fell in at least nine residential areas, several of them a great distance from areas where Georgia said it had employed them in the war against Russian forces.
The report states that Georgia said the bombs were acquired from Israel and that the defects in them were apparently found in most of the production run.
Responding to the HRW report, the Georgian defense ministry said in an official statement that Georgia had never used cluster bombs against targets which were "close to or beside areas of civilian population in the course of the war." Therefore, it said, from Georgia's standpoint, the conclusions of the American organization were "impossible."
Georgian officials said they had acquired the bombs, rockets and launchers from an Israeli company. They refused to name the firm. But Pentagon sources identified it as Israel Military Industries (IMI), with which Georgia had maintained trade ties since the 1990s
There is an international convention against the use of cluster bombs, but the convention has yet to take effect, and therefore is not binding on Israel.
During the Second Lebanon War, Israel used American-manufactured cluster bombs. After the war, when it became clear that some of the bombs had fallen in populated areas, causing casualties to the civilian population, the U.S. expressed anger over Israel's having used the bombs without its authorization.
Israel prefers to buy its cluster bombs from the United States because of the American foreign aid grant that it receives for defense needs. IMI, which also produces cluster bombs, has had difficulty selling them to the Israel Defense Forces, manufacturing them instead for sale to various foreign countries, among them NATO nations.
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So what did Nader mean about the 'Russia had enough comment'? I've already commented that i thought he spoke well, and i agree we should keep our nose out of Russias affairs, but he clearly thought that Russia had snapped and became the aggressors. Yes/No?
What a fucking surprise.
I don't care where he stands on this issue....
I don't think he was insinulating that. definitely not in the same way Obama and McCain have been doing.
Also as you can see, Nader seems to understand the situation and the reasons. Where is Obama and company don't.
All you hear from the dems and republicans are how innocent Georgia was/is. Then you have Nader who pretty much spoke openly about what's going on.
Well you should, unless you want to be dragged into another war. Unless you want more conflict.
It is either inellectualy dishonest or simply naive to think that Obama is only "pandering" by making such false accusations of agression against Russia.
Even though you seem to admit skepticism towards his policies later in your post, by saying he is "pandering" you have given him a significant pass by implying that the comments are simply made as some sort of public image campaign meant to impress the masses.
That simply isn't so.
The sad reality is that the talking points Obama espouses about Georgia\Russia are simply a direct regurgitation of those supplied to him by the major power brokers of the world ... the same talking points they have put down on record in their political manipulation machine -- The Council On Foreign Relations -- the body of whom nearly EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF OBAMA'S TRANSITION TEAM IS A MEMBER OF.
People need to understand his isn't just empty rhetoric meant to please the people.
This is deliberately and maliciously crafted propaganda meant to MANIPULATE and CONTROL the people, by telling them what their masters want them to hear.
Thats all it is.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Whoa...lighten up francis...you're going to burst a vein.
Put Nader and Obama on a stage....let them debate.
Broadcast it on Pay per view.
That's worth watching.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Oh please :rolleyes:
No, I don't think he meant Russia's the aggressor. Happy now?
Anyway, even if he did think Russia was the aggressor, it's a little besides the point, isn't it?
Obama is practically getting ready for war while Nader is saying, it's not America's business. The US should take care of its own shit first, and drop this 'world police' act. That's the point.
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By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel News, Russia
A new study by the Human Rights Watch (HRW) organization has found that Georgia used Israeli-made cluster bombs during its war with Russia, and that the weapons were defective, detonating in populated areas, killing Georgian civilians
Georgia, responding to the report, termed its conclusions "impossible."
The HRW report said that Russia also fired cluster bombs in large quantities, according an assessment by American intelligence.
HRW investigators said they discovered that the Georgian cluster bombs fell in at least nine residential areas, several of them a great distance from areas where Georgia said it had employed them in the war against Russian forces.
The report states that Georgia said the bombs were acquired from Israel and that the defects in them were apparently found in most of the production run.
Responding to the HRW report, the Georgian defense ministry said in an official statement that Georgia had never used cluster bombs against targets which were "close to or beside areas of civilian population in the course of the war." Therefore, it said, from Georgia's standpoint, the conclusions of the American organization were "impossible."
Georgian officials said they had acquired the bombs, rockets and launchers from an Israeli company. They refused to name the firm. But Pentagon sources identified it as Israel Military Industries (IMI), with which Georgia had maintained trade ties since the 1990s
There is an international convention against the use of cluster bombs, but the convention has yet to take effect, and therefore is not binding on Israel.
During the Second Lebanon War, Israel used American-manufactured cluster bombs. After the war, when it became clear that some of the bombs had fallen in populated areas, causing casualties to the civilian population, the U.S. expressed anger over Israel's having used the bombs without its authorization.
Israel prefers to buy its cluster bombs from the United States because of the American foreign aid grant that it receives for defense needs. IMI, which also produces cluster bombs, has had difficulty selling them to the Israel Defense Forces, manufacturing them instead for sale to various foreign countries, among them NATO nations.
really...?
your statement sounds like some fear mongering to me...